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Hello everyone

This is my first report I have written and we are both new to the game. Mausama has started playing in the last 7 months or so and I started with him after a 4 year break. Both with new armies. I threw it together quick but plan on improving in the future. Also pictures in the future. Feedback on the report or format its in are always welcome.



Orks Vs Daemons 1750




Mausama played his Daemons led by the Blood Thirster as always.

Daemons 1749

Blood Thirster w/ Unholy Might

3 Flamers of Tzeentch

3 Flamers of Tzeentch

4 Blood Crushers

10 Bloodletters

10 Bloodletters

10 Plaguebearers w/ icon

7 Pink Horrors

Soul Grinder w/Phlegm

Soul Grinder w/Phlegm

DP of Nurgle w/MoN, CoF, IH, DGaze



My Ork list was

2 x 15 loota's

3 x 11 boys 1 nob (boss pole, heavy armor, powerclaw) Truck (ram)

2 x buggy's squad of 3 (twin linked big shoota's)

1KFF Mek (boss pole, heavy armor)

13 Gretchin 1 runtherder

5 Nobs ( Choppa (x2); Power Klaw (x2); Slugga (x4); Twin-linked Dakkagun; Feel No Pain; Furious Charge; Mob Rule; Waaagh!; Bosspole (x2); Waaagh! Banner (x1); Warbike 1 painboy, cyborg)

5 deffkoptas (big shoota's)



Mausama



Before thoughts:

Playing Daemons I do not go into any game with a straight plan vs any army; I formalize a plan depending on what my opponent brought, his deployment, what is left in reserves, etc. This before thought will be my thoughts beginning from my first turn.



For an Overall strategy would be to keep my letters screened by SGs, Crushers, or PB's, and walk forward while shooting.



Looking at he brought, I had to make a quick priority list on what has to die ASAP, what can dwindle over time, and what I can just ignore until the opportunity to take out to attack. I base my movements, DS, to maximize the kills in this priority list.




Priority list on what I thought was a threat:

1st: Lootas - due to their raw shooting power, and the ability to wipe out an entire squad of troops in one round of fire. I would do a lot of shooting on these guys before my troops arrived.

2nd: Nob Biker Squad – Power fists had to go ASAP; only real threats vs my SGs, and they ignore FNP on my bearers.

3rd: Buggys and Kopptas – These I would choose to dwindle down over time. With good positioning of my troops I could screen out most of these guys fire, and have the troops go to down if needed.

4th: Squads of Boys in Trucks – Thought I could deal with these as needed, and not pay too much attention to them, and try to avoid them the charge on me,

5th:Grots w/HQ KFF: I would shoot these guys if I had no other option.





Drkmorals before thoughts



My list is still a work in progress as a all comers list that would fit my play style. As far as my list goes this is the first time I am running it in its current build. I plan on playing around a bit and seeing how the units work. In general though I am playing daemons which are random but extreme in hth (if they make it), the normal strat versus daemons is pretty simple deploy to protect certain units from the Deep striking units like flamers and capitalize that they only get half the army on the first turn. That is always a advantage against any daemon list that can be used against them. The only other thing to keep in mind is with the exception of my loota fire base I am really mobile and he is not. If he commits units to far from one another I can leave them on that side of the board and ignore them. I have the reach with shooting and the movement to move freely where ever I like in theory.



We roll to see who goes first and tie three times before he wins and elects me to go first of course. We roll and get the mission where we each have an obj on our table side and dawn of war deployment.



The board had a large hill in the center but on his board side that he placed his objective on. He then had a lake in his corner to the right and he had a large hill in the corner to the left. My side of the board had a forest to the bottom right. (This is where the loota B will come on the board for better visual reference) I then had a small hill across from his large hill in the center with some scatterings of forest and a few rocks across the left side of my end.





Orks Turn 1

My stuff all comes on the board and the orks without anything to shoot at or yell at are sad and disappointed. Loota B is in the corner in the forest.. Grots and HQ are in front of the forest screening both loota squads. One truck is setting to the left of loota A and all the boys are out of the truck to screen the left side. My objective is right by the grots so I don't' have to move to hold it. The bikers are by the empty truck but behind the hill. The other trucks are to the left of that and the buggys and koptas stretch up down the rest of the board edge.



Daemons Turn 1

He gets his preferred army.. Then proceeds to show me he is on fire with the dice. So much so I am impressed. How impressed you might ask? I would say if we were in Vegas he would be buying me dinner. His entire first wave but two hit on target and don't scatter at all. The other two barely scattered.





Soul Grinder

Soul Grinder

Blood Thirster

Plaguebearers

Flamers of Tzeentch



The soul grinder scatters back very slightly maybe 4 inches and the flamers scatter 3 inches to be just out of flame reach. It's not bad but does give the impression the grots are intimidating. He then runs his units forward and shoots with the grinders and the flamers. The flamers shoot the grots. They go to ground and only 2 die. The grinders shoot at the loota squad A and thanks to some ok rolls only 4 die. Not horrible at all.



Orks turn 2

Loota squad A shoots at the soul grinder in front of them does 6 hits but no glances. =( Loota B hails fire taking out the 3 flamers. Not exactly the best use for them but the flamers are gone and I deployed wrong I see now. The buggy's kopta's and my trucks in range shoot at the PB's despite all the fire poured into them only 2 die. (wow even for Pb's he's rolling amazing that was 60 some odd shots fired his way half of them twin linked) my nobs assault the SG he fails to hit any of them in combat. I do a strong 6 hits with claws and don't get a single pen or glance. =(



Daemons turn 2

The DP comes in and scatters fails his landing on a hill test and takes a wound. One squad of letters also come in behind the Pb's and run to spread out. The Pb move to provide a circle of cover for them. One soul grinder moves up. The Dp runs forward and the Blood Thirster moves forward as well. The soul grinder shoots at the loota's and no scatter on the plate. When all is said and done I lose 3 more loota's which still isn't bad. They decide to hold ground and stick around to be killed later. The Thirster assaults into the nobs and soul grinder combat. Which plays out to me doing pretty much no damage to anything and the Thirster takes out two nobs. They fail combat but decide to stick around and fight on.



Ork turn 3

I tank shock with a truck moving the pb's and letters to the left more. I move the kopta's further back and the buggys forward a bit for a better LOS to shoot. I shoot the letters with pretty much everything on the left side of the board. They go to ground and I only end up killing 5 of them. I shoot loota squad A at the soul grinder and only score one hit no glance. Then shoot squad b and pretty much have the same results. The Nobz then kill the SoulGrinder in hth combat.. The Thirster doesn't care and kills a nob. We tie combat so the nobz on bikes are amazingly brave and stick around to further challenge the Thirster.



Daemons turn 3

The remaining parts of his army decide to come in now. The pink horrors scatter maybe 3 inches back landing beside one soul grinder right where the flamers had been before. Once again the rolls are amazing. The letters come down behind the hill also barely scattering. The crushers scatter a bit further back than he wanted putting part of them up the hill. The crushers run toward my obj. The flamers land in front of my kopta's. Flame them and after all is said and done 3 get burned alive, but they don't flee. The DP moves forward. The horrors shoot and kill two loota's. The soul grinder shoots the grots killing 2. the letters and pb's run toward his obj. The DP assaults into the nobs . The addition of the DP must confuse everyone fighting because no one takes any wounds and they all hang out still. The grinder assaults the Grots and to both our surprise although he does damage he ends up locked in combat with them at the end of the turn when they don't flee.



Orks turn 4

Truck moves back to help the kopta's, the other truck tank shocks up the hill pushing the letters back off the obj. The buggy's all move forward. My unit of boys screening all get into the truck and tank shock the letters and pbs slightly. One squad of loota's shoots the crushers and only does 4 wounds but they fail one save. The large squad of loota's fire and destroy all the pink horrors. The kopta's and truck kill all the flamers. The buggy's shoot at the letters by the pb's and take them down to one letter. Truck on the hill kills 2 letters behind the hill with a pretty good shooting roll. Then the SG does horrible combat and stays locked in combat with the grots still once again we are both confused. Then the Thirster had enough and killed the last two nobs and moved toward the loota's



Daemons turn 4

Crushers turn around and go back the other way. They run toward the hill as well. The soul grinder destroys the grots in combat the Blood thirster assaults and kills many loota's but stays locked in combat. The Dp turns around and imob one truck. The letters and pbs move up the hill and attempt to kill the truck and have no luck. The letters assault one truck and have no luck as well. The crushers assault a truck and also have no luck. His hth units have nothing to hth with and so aren't being impressive. On the other hand my units are being ripped apart on the other side of the board where they do have stuff to be in hth with

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Ork turn 5

The buggy's move up the kopta's move up as well. Loota's shoot at the pb's and everything else in range of the other letters shoot at them while whats left shoot at the pb's. The thirster finishes off the loota's and moves toward the other group. One letter squad is down to one still, one is down to 5 or so and the pb's are down to about 4 of them.



Daemons turn 5

The trucks all die this turn. And the boys come out. The letters assault one. The crushers assault one and the pb's assault the other and it rolls down the hill and dies. The dp moves toward the battle. And shoots at some buggy's but does nothing. The soul grinder does the same. The Thirster pretty casually assaults through the other loota's that are left.



Orks turn 6

The buggy's move to try and screen the combat from the dp and maybe the thirster. The kopta's move within assault range and all the boys who piled out pretty much do the same thing. Shooting dwindles the plague bearers down one more and the letter down to 3 or 4 left. I assault the pb's and lone letter with 2 squads of boys and with the kopta's. I also assault the other letters with my other squad of boys. Wiping the floor with all the letters in the back and taking out the pb's.



Daemons turn 6

The thirster destroys a buggy's weapon but not much else. The dp kills one buggy from the other squad. The crushers assault into the fight over the truck or standing on it if you want. They kill a whole squad off but in the process the letter is killed. And the other squad is still 12 strong. There is also still one squad 10 strong the SG does nothing worth remembering.



The game ends here. No one is holding my objective it was abandoned. I have troops on his but he is contesting it with the crushers. The game ends in a tie. Even if we count Kp's for fun its still pretty close so a tie.





Mausama Afterthoughts



Should have put the Trucks w/boys higher up on the priority list, and maybe had the Pink horrors Glance up the trucks a bit or tossed one large template at them. Mobility of my opponent is what hurt me the most in this game.

I should have played the PB's more defensively, and dropped them on top of my objective.



I was happy with the performance of the Blood Thirster, he was able to buss up a few biker nobs and take out 2 squads of lootas. However, the BloodCrushers I think I need to move them to the Primary group, and play them more aggressive. Granted the sealed the tie for me at the end, but I could have played them a little more aggressive.

Changes to my all comers list; I would say I would need more shooting in my list. I'm going to continue mess around with my horrors.



Drkmorals after thoughts.



That was interesting, his amazing rolling for about 3 turns really really hurt me wow. (doesn't help mine wasn't really par on top of that) I also didn't think about that the MC's would ignore the fnp. This is a rookie mistake for sure but I am not used to running nob bikers. They still tied up some major units for a long time. I learned a ton from the game but can't really see changing the list until I play a few more games to even out the dice rolling. I would do several things differently doing it over. Being mobile I really split his forces well. If I had put my obj as far from his as possible I would have been able to really capitalize on my mobility and his lack of it. Also my list is pretty shooty and twin linked for orks is a pretty amazing difference. I really tried to pull out a win at the end by taking out everything on his obj and hoping to be able to keep the crushers more than 3 inches away but I really had no way of doing it at that point. The reality is not much stops crushers from pushing forward.



The MVP in my opinion was the kopta's as much as it hurts me to admit it. I don't personally think very highly of them on paper. However 15 twin linked shots is pretty solid. They have a large reach and movement. Also they lived through the flamer attack( without fleeing no less!) , and are able to act as a support unit for assault. Time will tell if I change my initial mind about the buggies being far better though.

Pics or it didn't happen.

You deserve a smack in the head for that captain.gordino. A totally worthless post attacking someone putting effort in for the rest of us.

Nice battle report and well layed out DrkMorals. I enjoyed the read. Thanks.

Yeah, nice report. Orks are a rough match up for any daemon player - your opponent did a great job of keeping in there especially with a couple of units of lootas.

BeefyG wrote:You deserve a smack in the head for that captain.gordino. A totally worthless post attacking someone putting effort in for the rest of us.

Nice battle report and well layed out DrkMorals. I enjoyed the read. Thanks.

If I may, I speak internet, and all he is trying to say is...

"Thanks for the report. I am interested in this game. I would love to see pictures."

my translation could be pretty rough, but I wouldn't constitute his remarks as an attack.

Its the guy's first attempt at a battle report as stated. As far as internet speak goes, it is a forum for communication. If that person communicated that message to me IRL I'd be communicating back with a smack in the head. I know the internet is sadly lacking in manners, but it helps to inform people about what might happen if they try to sail that stuff in person.

I'm saying it wasn't helpful at all and not the encouragement that someone who puts in effort should be rewarded with if that more clearly states my platform.

To the OP Have you played any more games with the Daemons to date?

Sorry been busy lol haven't had time to comment. As far as net speak goes I don't worry about it. Its all good I plan on posting more reports in the future because I think it really helps anyone learning with tactics and questions to read battle reports and the forum is really about helping other gamers I would say.

I do apprieciate the positive comments of course.


As far as playing more. My friend has played several games as he tests his daemon list. We aren't completely sold on it just yet. He has been having really good results but some people he has been playing have no idea what deamons do and so we can't take all the test games to heart just yet. Deamons will be my next army if testing keeps going well. They are winable just not solidly dependable but I think that makes them more of a challenge. They should be fun to paint too. Although at this point I am wondering what a shooty army will do on the board for them. Everyone seems to be going strong Khorn. I have played a few more games my self and have changed my ork list a bit. I no longer run the biker nobs and have had really good results so far with my new list. We have only played one more game against each other but the report would be a bad read. I ended up pretty much having the game won by turn 3. He under estimated the difference between the lists and came at me the wrong way. If you want I can give you a rough run down of the battle though.

Shooty Orks are Hella hard vs Daemons.

I need to find a counter vs Loota's.
In the second game we played he ran 3 squads of 15 lootas. My first half of the army was almost completely destroyed when landing vs their fire. They way he deployed there was no way I could get to them, and they had cover saves galore (see diagram below for deployment). I through 2 Pie Plates and 12 Harvester shots at them, and he made all most of his saves.

Sample of his deployment (Spearhead) (L= Lootas, B = Boys): They was snug in the corner
B B B B B
B L L B B
B L B B B
B B B B B
B B B B B

The next turn he glanced up my SGs blowing off weapons and imoblizing; and killed my BT. The game was pretty much lost at that point, because we was playing Annihilation. But yeah, I need a counter vs that..... I thinking on DSing in the opposite corner, and wait for the rest of my forces to DS in or something. Who Knows,

Mausama!

BeefyG wrote:You deserve a smack in the head for that captain.gordino. A totally worthless post attacking someone putting effort in for the rest of us.

Nice battle report and well layed out DrkMorals. I enjoyed the read. Thanks.

I agree entirely with both points. The Batrep gets a from me for it's format and content, though pics would indeed be nice, and captain.gordino does indeed merit a headsmack a la Jethro Gibbs for his comment, particularly since he has submitted no reports of his own.

DrkMorals, you're off to a good start in your reporting, look forward to more.

love the report
its great fighting daemon with my ork, an army thats just as good in CC
(pointless charging umies, dey brake!)

and gordino, drop dead mate, so, no pics = didnt happen? im hoping your parents didnt keep your birth pics.

"and gordino, drop dead mate, so, no pics = didnt happen? im hoping your parents didnt keep your birth pics. "

Now THAT's funny.

JD21290 wrote:love the report
its great fighting daemon with my ork, an army thats just as good in CC
(pointless charging umies, dey brake!)

and gordino, drop dead mate, so, no pics = didnt happen? im hoping your parents didnt keep your birth pics.

thats a little harsh but i agree it was funny. seriously why would someone sit up thinking up an entire game just for the hell of it? thats ridiculous. nice game man. i enjoy reading ork battles where the player uses alot of shootas and lootas. simply because im basically a CC ork boss, its cool to see how the other ork tactic works.

i play orks, and a friend of mine has been play testing demons of a similar build...

my orks are:

warboss: PK, TL shoota, boss pole cybork, 'eavy armor

nobz mob: 9 nobz::1 painboy 9 PK, 9 'eavy armor, cybork bodies::grot orderly - mounted in trukk - counts as troop choice

slugga boyz - 29 boyz, 1 nob w/ PK, 3 rokkits
slugga boyz - 29 boyz, 1 nob w/ PK, 3 rokkits
slugga boyz - 29 boyz, 1 nob w/ PK, 3 big shootas

lootas 11 deffguns, 3 rokkits

2 deff koptas w/ buzzsaws and TL rokkits

wins a lot, actually.

he plays a daemon list to the effect of (just off the top of my head... i won't remember all the wargear...)

blood thirster - wings, gaze
keeper of secrets
soul grinder
2x 8 blood letters
1x 3 flamers
2x fiends
1x 9 daemonettes
1x 7 pink horrors

with various wargear... like i said, i don't remember it.

we play all the time, and he's never beaten my orks. i attribute that to 10 T5 powerklaws with 4+/5++ with feel no pain... he always wants to assault them...

we talked with a guy who feels good about daemons, and he says horde armies will almost always win. so... i would tell your friend he needs more templates...

You do know FNP doesn't work on power weapon hits, yes? So that 4+/5++ with FNP is actually a straight up 5+?

Bloodletters hurt Nobs. Biker mobs not as much.

Bloodcrushers crush nobs. Biker mobs moreso than bloodletters do, but still a little less.

Face 16+ Bloodcrushers and 3 troops of plaguemarines with your Orks and you'll see the light of Demons vs Orks.

BTW--those grots should not have gotten any saves from the flamer's breath of chaos.

And an Epidemius list would absolutely crush a horde list. Its real easy to get the tally up when you're facing swarms of T3/4 units with no armor.

mo' stompy

Your nobs aren't T5 unless they are on bikes.



adam_gipson
Actually the flamers didn't flame them they landed just out of reach of being able to do so. I haven't seen a epi list throw down with orks yet but I can see how it might be a anti horde list. I don't consider my play style horde In fact since this report my lists has morphed into even more shooty =) I don't really see a problem with fighting a epi list with shooty orks so much, although in my area from what I have seen I am the only person around here running shooty orks. **shrug

I how ever still like the demon dex and will be building a demon army whenever I am done with my second ork list.

Sorry about that guys, particularly Dkmorals. I didn't mean to be rude.

Shep was right with; "Thanks for the report. I am interested in this game. I would love to see pictures."

Sorry if that looked like an attack. Anyway, I read the report and it was a good report.

kudos to you captain.gordino for being a decent person and admitting that.

I was thinking about mixing up this list for our next game. Perhaps swapping out the Thirster for Kairos.. see how that goes down.

Also Stelek, I do like the idea of 16 Blood Crushers.. The problem is I dont have $$ to buy 12 more crushers.. that is close to 300$; I can ghetto hookup another army off of ebay with that kind of cash..

But we should have another report up soon.. We gonna do battle again within the week. Well throw some pictures in there for you all this time.

Mausama

Yeah I know, the only decent demon builds are bloody expensive.

Well I have an L5R shadowlands counts as Daemon army...so its nice to use some of their nice Oni figures rather than leaving them stacked in the box.

Oh I forgot to say: I'm using shadowlands ogres as my bloodcrushers so they're cheap

Heretic!

Oh wait...Chaos has many forms.

Come to Chaos....

i hate orks

edit: for a kinder, gentler dakka.

Yeah,
Colm: Short Comments like hating OrKs don't add much to the thread, but it would be better if you explain why you dislike them.
people reading the thread would like to know what you enjoyed/disliked about the BattleReports/Posts/Topics.

It's good seeing you read Battle reports, It'll give you ideas on how to play. and how to beat OrKs

Panic...

edit: For a kinder, gentler dakka.

nice and epic battle afterall! lootas are reallt did their jobs.

Lootas are Devils!! They are amazing Units, 3 units 13~15 Units will mow down anything 13 armor and below..

I need to find a good solution with daemons.

Mausama