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Iam currently in my second gaming/painting group and ive noticed something in both my groups its always one person that HATES to paint and iam starting to wonder if its a local problem or a worldwide thing. Plz share with me

Different aspects of the game appeal to different people. Painting is time-consuming, and takes a lot of practice to even get acceptable results.

Some people just want to crush their enemies.

I hate painting to, it takes to much time and work to get even half arsed results.

I do just enough to make them look like I tryed then say feth it and just play. For the first year I was playing with a gray Necron army ^^

I have friends that love modeling but despise painting. Painting is really only fun if you enjoy the activity or are good at it. If you think of it more as a required step and the best you can do is try and color in the lines it doesn't lend itself to an enjoyable activity. I for one enjoy painting, but I hate having to assembly line an army in the same paint scheme. It's fun to paint monstrous creatures or sergeants but painting 35 identical tactical marines is just a chore.

For me its more of a love/hate thing. I love having painted models that look great...I hate trying to find the time to paint them. I probably have about 800 points of my 4000 point eldar army painted...and I have 4 models out of my 1500 points of nids painted.

Well, I love to paint and I love to play as well. BUT..since the advent of dipping you can paint an entire army in a weekend. I am of the mindset that if I am going to spend the time to get into a hobby - read about it, figure out tactics, spend countless hours painting, and play with the upmost of my ability I would atleast like to see a shoddy basecoat on them. Its the effort that counts not the end result. Some people can paint - some can not. I have never said one word bad about anyone's paint job. Its the fact that they try that matters.

Now when you take the time to get your group together, setup a nice board with terrain and both armies. I don't like to play against someone that won't paint. Its not as enjoyable.

There is a difference between someone who has a WIP army and are using some unpainted minis.

For a good few years, I was truly loathe to paint my models. Not out of laziness, but because I felt my ambition and vision far outstripped my capability. So all I would do is stick to three colour and based.

Then suddenly, part of me wanted to start experimenting, and I started to improve at a great rate of knots. Ever since I converted a High Elf Dragon into a Wyvern with Orc Warboss strapped underneath, and got the end result matching how I envisioned it, I've been unstoppable.

Add in the Foundation Paints and new Washes, which I absolutely swear by, and I', yet to look back!

yea i need to kick myself in the butt when it comes to painting. my renegades are literally painted 3 different ways. 1. gore red(very first chaos idea 2. iron warriors(favorite chaos idea and lastly 3. plastic and metal lol.
with my Orks i have a really good color idea that i know will look good. So i need to just get the paint and do it. as for my SM man there so many colors and ideas and this and that, i never could nail down a single army color.

I have far more respect for someone who paints their army badly than someone who doesn't at all. Even if you have no painting talent at all, at least you had a go. And now with the new Citadel inks and other similar dipping products, you really can produce a passable army in double quick time. Undercoat in bulk, basecoat simply, dip/ink all over, base, done. It's really not that hard, it just requires a little prep time.

I will always prefer an army of plastic than a Jackson Pollock on miniatures. At least the former is more honest.

As everyone else said, if the painting side of the hobby doesn't appeal to you AND you're slow AND your end results are very good, then it's not hard to see why people don't want to invest the time it takes to paint miniatures. Couple this with potential resentment from other players that they have to play against unpainted minis and this can set up some bad dynamics.

There are a couple of things you can do:

1. Figure out what is acceptable as "tabletop quality". You're going to have to find a compromise here, after all if the reluctant painter can't be persuaded to paint, your result is bare plastic or black-primed figures.
2. Figure out the techniques or combination of techniques that allows a player to crank out a large quantity of figures at that level of quality. If you're aiming for fairly low standards, then you can take all sorts of shortcuts. (see below)
3. Trade painting for other services. Your reluctant painter may hate to paint, but is anal about scraping mould lines or doing conversions. I hate doing the later and would be willing to trade my painting his figs for his to prep my plastics.
4. Maybe chip in some time to help. Painting can be monotonous (130 orks anyone) and doing it in the company of some other people can make the work seem a lot lighter. You can also chip in some time and help process figures a lot faster.
5. Regarding techniques. If you can find a good colored spray primer and a workable wash and a few secondary colors, you can turn out figures very quickly. Here's a Tau test figure I put together:



It's primed with a Camo Khaki spray. The Scorpion green was painted on with a brush. The figure was then washed with a brown for the armor and Badab Black for the undersuit. In subsequent figures, I ditched the badab black on the suit and washed the entire figure with the brown (Liquitex Raw Umber), The gun is washed with 2-3 coats of Badab Black and I'll probably do the same thing for the backpack.

Is it done? No. Does it have many details? No. Would facing off against this be infinitely better then seeing the same hordes of black Firewarriors or more grey plastic. Absolutely.

I wish I was the Sultan of Brunei. He hired people to paint his.

Ifurita is bang on.

a decent spray undercoat (grab yourself a decent airbrush and you can basecoat any shade you like pretty much)

a wash set


DONE!


me personally i enjoy painting. I'm weird. I find the monotonous task of assembly line painting to be relaxing and will happily paint 10... 20... 100 tactical marines the same way for ages.

told you I was weird

Yeah, I love painting. I find it relaxing (nothing to think about but get the damn brush tip in the right place), and the way my army can reflect my personality.

I find that part of the playing is in the spectacle, each turn is like a snap shot of battle, this is part of the enjoyment whether I win or lose, it's to have a good battle. There's no spectacle in unpainted miniatures, you might as well play with bits of paper for what they're worth.

I'd be reluctant to play with someone who doesn't attempt to paint their army. If they have a single unit they bought the previous week and want to try them out but still have them in primer, that's ok. But someone who turns up time and again with no progress over weeks and months? Or they turn up a sizable part or their entire army unpainted?

The argument of disliking painting because it's too hard to get decent results is a stange one to me. Even the best painters had to start somewhere an practice, it's a matter of patience, effort and taking pride in your work knowing you tries your best each time. nd if you improve a bit, even better.

For the life of me, I will NEVER understand what the big deal is.

Painted/unpainted... Big deal. In the end, we're both pushing a bunch of toys across the table, rolling marked cubes to determine the outcome and making "pew pew" noises.

You DO make the "pew pew" noises. Right? Otherwise, you aren't playing right. LOL

As long as I can tell his units apart without problem (Boyz unit A is all weilding axes and Unit B has meat cleavers or different color painted rings around the bases or something) I'm good with that. I'm there for the socialization. A guy with unpainted minis can solcialize just as well as the guy with painted stuff... maybe even better.


Eric

Howard A Treesong wrote:I find that part of the playing is in the spectacle, each turn is like a snap shot of battle, this is part of the enjoyment whether I win or lose, it's to have a good battle. There's no spectacle in unpainted miniatures, you might as well play with bits of paper for what they're worth.

I'd be reluctant to play with someone who doesn't attempt to paint their army. If they have a single unit they bought the previous week and want to try them out but still have them in primer, that's ok. But someone who turns up time and again with no progress over weeks and months? Or they turn up a sizable part or their entire army unpainted?

The argument of disliking painting because it's too hard to get decent results is a stange one to me. Even the best painters had to start somewhere an practice, it's a matter of patience, effort and taking pride in your work knowing you tries your best each time. nd if you improve a bit, even better.

Some of us paint haters don't have the time to spend hours and hours painting tiny little dudes to make you happy.

I have had my Necron army for over a year now, it remained (Short of maby 12-13 models) unpainted and unprimered up until recently, as well as my Orks will more then likely remain gray for a year or so until I get around to doing something with them. If people don't play me its ok, I understand that there scared of my army and just using that fact that I don't have hundreds of hours to waist painting as an excuse.

there really is no excuse for an unpainted necron army to be brutally honest. even a paraplegic chimpanzee can knock out a full squad of 20 necron warriors in just under 15 minutes... including spraying and drying time.

stonefox wrote:I will always prefer an army of plastic than a Jackson Pollock on miniatures. At least the former is more honest.

You damn hippie.. perhaps you'd prefer a Bob Ross... You know for the right price, I'll paint your models, all you have to do is ask.

MagickalMemories wrote:For the life of me, I will NEVER understand what the big deal is.

Painted/unpainted... Big deal. In the end, we're both pushing a bunch of toys across the table, rolling marked cubes to determine the outcome and making "pew pew" noises.

You DO make the "pew pew" noises. Right? Otherwise, you aren't playing right. LOL

As long as I can tell his units apart without problem (Boyz unit A is all weilding axes and Unit B has meat cleavers or different color painted rings around the bases or something) I'm good with that. I'm there for the socialization. A guy with unpainted minis can solcialize just as well as the guy with painted stuff... maybe even better.


Eric

Pew pew? What are you 5? All the cool kids go Zap zap or BOOM!

And as far as not painting my army until a year latter... I have a very valid excuse, it also works for my Orks, I have a social life and can't spend hours painting toys.

And I may not be able to paint for gak, but when I do I do the best I can, not just some half arsed job to get it done.

i hate painting large units, but love painting characters and large models.
but at the end of the day, its something that needs to be done, and the end result is worth it, its just getting on and doing it.

I don't mind putting in 20-30Min a day to work on painting, I just get discouraged to work on it at all when I have 20+ Models siting on my desk and even more in the box still.

We did a poll on this.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/218284.page

Strange but true, most tabletop wargamers prefer to painted to unpainted.

JokerGod wrote:Some of us paint haters don't have the time to spend hours and hours painting tiny little dudes to make you happy.

Make me happy?? How about having some pride in your army and project your enthusiasm? You use armies for a year without even primering them? How little free time do you have that you can't find a few hours for working on the presentation of your army in a whole year.

Necrons are by far the easist to paint, spray them silver, touch up the guns in black and bases green or whatever. Maybe use a wash.

You seem almost proud of your laziness as a "paint hater". If you hate painting that much I'm sure you could buy painted minis or find fellow hobbyists who would help for a small trade. It's better than leaving your 'toys' a wasteland of metal and plastic.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

JokerGod wrote:Some of us paint haters don't have the time to spend hours and hours painting tiny little dudes to make you happy.

Make me happy?? How about having some pride in your army and project your enthusiasm? You use armies for a year without even primering them? How little free time do you have that you can't find a few hours for working on the presentation of your army in a whole year.

Necrons are by far the easist to paint, spray them silver, touch up the guns in black and bases green or whatever. Maybe use a wash.

You seem almost proud of your laziness as a "paint hater". If you hate painting that much I'm sure you could buy painted minis or find fellow hobbyists who would help for a small trade. It's better than leaving your 'toys' a wasteland of metal and plastic.

I don't have sprays to speed up the priming proses. What I do I do by hand. And I am very proud I got them painted in the first year, I thought it would have taken longer.

And like I stated before, I don't do half arsed crap when I do paint, I do the best I can.

I do all sorts of half-assed stuff

I was starting to hate painting, mostly because I was doing a lot of the same mini: IG, Orks, even guardian and SM can get tedious when you're on marine number 20 out of 40 or whatever.

I started focusing on smaller point--and smaller model count--armies and that's made a huge difference. So did delving into my pile of randoms on my lead mountain. "Hey, some Heartbreaker civilians? I'll paint those up!" "Ooooh, some Dark Ages Forsaken." "Wow, I forgot I had this Reaper figure..." etc.

Likewise playing Warmachine and Hordes, where you may have 10 of one kind of model (winterguard, trenchers, etc) but you're probably only going to have one unit of 'em, so the diversity helps.

I always try to paint what I currently have before buying more models. If I buy to many it seems to dauntless a task to even begin.

i know the feeling.
i allways buy an army all in 1 purchase, i then have the pain of sitting there and putting it all together and painting it lol

MagickalMemories wrote:For the life of me, I will NEVER understand what the big deal is.

Painted/unpainted... Big deal. In the end, we're both pushing a bunch of toys across the table, rolling marked cubes to determine the outcome and making "pew pew" noises.

You DO make the "pew pew" noises. Right? Otherwise, you aren't playing right. LOL

As long as I can tell his units apart without problem (Boyz unit A is all weilding axes and Unit B has meat cleavers or different color painted rings around the bases or something) I'm good with that. I'm there for the socialization. A guy with unpainted minis can solcialize just as well as the guy with painted stuff... maybe even better.


Eric

lmao hell yea i make the noises. AND i overreact to amazing or poor dice rolls. and any time a mini with a jetpack dies by jumping into terrain i HAVE to reenact the reason why he died. thats just the fun of playing a game that can be SO random