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Does this work against all enemy units now in 5e?

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I think it is the same as 4e.

nobody wants to take a crack this?

G

Rather than letting you hit on 3+, it's reroll to hit... and it doesn't have any caveats or restrictions listed, so it works on the big stuff now too.

I agree it works on any unit in your opponent's army but the rule still states you must specify what race is your preferred enemy... for example in a tourney you could select orks but it would not work against eldar.

G

I think all the newer codices mention who the skumgrod (aka 'preferred enemy) is, such as the Feeder Tendrils that confer the rule after a snack on the brains of the opposing army, or Captain 'Mr. Blood Angel 39,941' Tycho having a thing against Orks.

The way it reads to me is if you have just the Preferred Enemy rule listed on the unit they get it against everyone. But if you have Preferred Enemy: Orks (or Space Marines, or whatever) you only get it against that type of army.

For example: Tau with Commander Farsight
All Tau models in the army gain Preferred Enemy: Orks.

There can be no doubt that Tau only get preferred enemy against the orks and gain no benefit against space marines. A Farsight list would gain preferred enemy even against the grots, even though they are not orks, but they are part of Codex:Orks. The real question is if you have preferred enmey: space marines do you get it against codex: dark angels, blood angels, space wolves, black templars, chaos space marines? All are space marines, but not from codex: space marines.

The USR speciically mentions a preferred enemy... I.E., race. I think people want it to work against everything.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:The USR speciically mentions a preferred enemy... I.E., race. I think people want it to work against everything.

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It works against everything unless otherwise stated.

Farsight gives preferred enemy ORKS, so tau units in an army with farsight may re-roll failed rolls to hit against orks.

However Things like feeder tendrils (nyds) and Dante (BA) just provide generic preferred enemy, and for these purposes it works against everyone since no specific race was indicated.

It works like hatred in fantasy i thougt, reroll to hit.

Zacarius:

You answered your own question by noting that Farsight Enclave Tau would get Preferred Enemy against Gretchin.

But there is no instance of "Preffered Enemy Space Marines" is there???

I doubt (them being the "Poster Boyz" of 40K) there ever will.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:But there is no instance of "Preffered Enemy Space Marines" is there???

I doubt (them being the "Poster Boyz" of 40K) there ever will.

And if they did it would work against ALL marines of all chapters and alignments.

Just like PE Eldar also applied to Dark Eldar (4th ed marine codex)

You guys are obviously abusing the rule. It does not work like hatred.

G

If you think you already know the answer then why did you bother asking? If it isn't specified it works against everything.

can someone quote the rule please?

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Zacarius wrote:The way it reads to me is if you have just the Preferred Enemy rule listed on the unit they get it against everyone. But if you have Preferred Enemy: Orks (or Space Marines, or whatever) you only get it against that type of army.

How can you have JUST the Preferred Enemy rule, without a specified race?
"Oh, I prefer killing EVERYTHING" ??? :(

pg 75

Some warriors are able to predict the moves of the enemies they are used to fighting. In close combat, they have developed special techniques that enable them to counter such enemies more effectively. Such troops can always re-roll their rolls to hit in close combat against their preferred enemy. This weapon does not work when attacking vehicles without a Weapon Skill characteristic.

'against their preferred enemy'

very clear to me!

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And if their rule doesn't specify a specific race its Preferred Enemy - OPPONENT!

How would you play Feeder tendrils? How would you play Dante? Both these things just give preferred enemy without a specific race, so then i ask whats their preferred enemy if they can only have one?

If no specific race is given they may use it against any and all races.

I'm not familiar with the other cases, but I'd have to go with Feeder Tendrils being "Preferred Enemy - Everybody" because of the statement about always counting as having Preferred Enemy. Or in other words, always counting their enemy as their preferred enemy.

If every enemy is preferred equally then there is no preference. In my opinion both Dante and genestealers with feeder tendrils should have to declare which race is their preferred enemy.

G

In all the above cases, ie feeder tendrals, Dante, and another example is the Black templar vow "accept any challenge, no matter the cost", you get perfered enamy against all opponents. This means that all models that have perfered enemy, get to re-roll all rolls to hit against all opponents, except vehicles with no WS. As stated above, if it's listed with a race, ie farsite, you only get it aginst that codex (obviously). I am sorry Green Blow Fly, but it's a good thing for my templars and all the feeder tendral having genestealers that your opinion doesn't dictate the rules : )

page 6 of Blood Angels codex

"Inspiring. Dante is renowned for personally
leading formations of Blood Angels Assault
Marines in unstoppable assaults. His
presence inspires these troops to acts of
valor that are extraordinary even for Space
Marines. As such, if Dante is included in a
Blood Angels army, then any friendly unit
of Blood Angels within 12" of him counts
its opponents as a preferred enemy."

to me this specifically tells me my opponent at the time they are within the 12 inch range, so any opponent can be the preferred enemy.

and then tycho is less expensive in points to use so he only gives you preferred enemy against orks.
very different things

thanks for posting Dante's rules... it's obvious PE works against any race for him and other friendly units within his area of effect. What do the rules for feeder tendrils say? I am out of town and don't have access to the rules.

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Man, why are you so desperately whining about this? Did you get beaten by a Black Templar player or something? It is quite unlike your usual posts and I am just wondering what is going on here.l

You are adding something to the rule that isn't there. It doesn't say "pick an enemy and that is your preferred enemy" or anything even close. Anyone I am playing is my enemy.

Unless specified, Preferred Enemy works on anything with a WS. That is why Templars are nasty...and also why it's the only vow that's worth taking.

Capt K

CaptKaruthors wrote:Unless specified, Preferred Enemy works on anything with a WS. That is why Templars are nasty...and also why it's the only vow that's worth taking.

Capt K

QFT. Black Templars are back on top baby! We don't need no Rhino Rush from 3rd ed, now we got's Preferred Enemy.

Okay you blighters... I sure wish I had my rule books handy. It's obvious that the army codex is needed to confirm that a particular race can use preferred enemy against any race.

G

Prefeered enemy allows you to re-roll misses in CC (a absolute enormous boon for BT), so it works against everyone, unless it specifically says different in your codex, I understand the reasoning behind thinking it would only work against your armies prefeered enmy (fluff wise), but you are over thinking the rules, all it is is the abiltiy to re-roll misses in CC, granted they could have given it a different name (furry, or something).