Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Can you quote the rules that support this stance?

G

Sure, here you go Green Blow Fly

Some warriors are able to predict the moves of the enemies they are used to fighting. In close combat, they have developed special techniques that enable them to counter such enemies more effectively. Such troops can always re-roll their rolls to hit in close combat against their preferred enemy. This ability does not work when attacking vehicles without a weapon skill characteristic.

'against their preferred enemy'

If all foes are equally preferred there is no preference. Therefore unless the codex states otherwise you must select a race.

G

Unfortunately, from the perspective of clarity, there is no indication as to when the player might have to select their "preferred enemy" (assuming a selection is required in the first place). From a tournament perspective, it is just as valid to say they may pick before the beginning of each game as it is to say they must determine once before the beginning of the entire tournament.

The 'stealer fluff indicates that they feed on the central nervous system of their enemies in cc to gain insight into how they work etc, such that they may be more effective in cc.

Therefore, a stealers preferred enemy is the one he had for lunch.

You really seem to be making an effort to live up to your "King of ye old time trolles" title there eh Blowfly?

Green Blow Fly wrote:'against their preferred enemy'

If all foes are equally preferred there is no preference. Therefore unless the codex states otherwise you must select a race.

G

Wait, where's this rule? Must Select a Race when using preferred enemy unless Codex states otherwise.

Besides 'I just made it up because it suits me'? :S

Ibid to the guy above me. Seriously, skull density is not a measure of pride.

Preferred enemy is a universal rule. Individual units or army rules may narrow the rule further. Is it really such a step of logic for you to see that a unit with the 'preferred enemy' rule gets to use it against all foes, yet someone with 'preferred enemy:race' only gets it against certain armies?

Every other reader in this thread has shown text and logic to support this.

Stelek wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:'against their preferred enemy'

If all foes are equally preferred there is no preference. Therefore unless the codex states otherwise you must select a race.

G

Wait, where's this rule? Must Select a Race when using preferred enemy unless Codex states otherwise.

Besides 'I just made it up because it suits me'? :S

Agree +1. There is no rule that says you must select a race to be your preferred enemy, unless your codex states it as such.

come on guys! You probably all play nidz & BT.

G

I play everything under the sun.

I have yet to face Farsight with his mighty Ork killing preferred enemy (but...no Kroot) crisis suit horde with an Ork army yet.

So I can't comment on that particular army, but the rules for it seem pretty straightforward. They also don't carry to any other book.

I don't know if I would call it trolling, but asking stupid questions to start an argument...oh, right.

Well, I wager all you could manage to get out of GW is 'before each game starts, pick an army you have preferred enemy against'.

Woo.

Green Blow Fly wrote:'against their preferred enemy'

If all foes are equally preferred there is no preference.

Y... you're not serious, are you? You're ACTUALLY trying to argue that the fluffy descriptor has a bearing on the rules? That has nothing to do with the rules (The Crunch).

Green Blow Fly wrote:Therefore unless the codex states otherwise you must select a race.

G

Can you quote the rules that support this stance?

I already have and I am not the one using fluff to cheat.

G

Actually, you are using fluff to justify a rule that isn't there. The fluff of having a single preferred enemy.

So you are saying all enemies are preferred?

G

PS(Some1 poke you in the eye balls?)

It is a protest against willful ignorance ;-) actually it is from the movie poster for a Lovecraft movie that is coming out and I liked it. The original had barbed wire coming through eyeballs but shep said it might be a little too much.



And I am saying that the universal rule don't say it is necessary to select one enemy and stick to that - that is something to be covered by the army books. If there is no caveat for a specific enemy (i.e. the farsight example or the tyrannic veterans from the previous codex) then it is preferred that whatever they are fighting at a given time.

Somnicide wrote:It is a protest against willful ignorance ;-) actually it is from the movie poster for a Lovecraft movie that is coming out and I liked it. The original had barbed wire coming through eyeballs but shep said it might be a little too much.

Must be "Beyond" because I dont remember any of the imagery from the Story this film takes part of its title from.

Totally off topic though.

We will have to to just agree to disagree.

G

yeah,
GBF: are you asking that before a game/series of games I denote my PF enemy to be your race?

It makes sense... sorta...

the only time that this would kick in with effect is before a tournie or campain involving more than one race...

I get what your saying, things should be tight, but can you back up your side of the arguement? ...? what makes you think i should declare my PF for the season...? not fluff but rules, what nails me to one race... ... ... the word prefered? Surely If I prefer three races over the rest, each of those races are now a prefered race...

Panic..

I think you should have to declare the preferred race in a tourney or campaign... No big deal for casual gaming.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:I think you should have to declare the preferred race in a tourney or campaign... No big deal for casual gaming.

G

In the previous Space Marine codex, a choice of preferred enemies is necessary for the Suffer Not the Alien to Live trait, but it also spelled out what were the valid choices. Tyranids with feeder tendrils don't have to choose because they "always count as having Preferred Enemy".

The point that everyone else is trying to make is that the USR rules don't specify in any way how one determines the unit's preferred enemy. That leaves it up to the individual codices to specify any particulars. Otherwise, if as you argue a choice is necessary one doesn't even know what the valid choices are.

I have already pointed out why people should have to declare a race that is their` preferred enemy. Obviously there are a lot of cheaters posting in this thread... such as yourself.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:I have already pointed out why people should have to declare a race that is their` preferred enemy. Obviously there are a lot of cheaters posting in this thread... such as yourself.

G

no you have not. you have not provided any evidence to support such a conclusion. you cant go around making up rules, like you are trying to here.

also we cannot 'agree to disagree' because that would render the point of having an objective set of rules useless.

la la la... la la la...

G

Modquisition on
This thread has been reported. Please remain civil or this thread will have to be closed.
Modquisition off.

no you have not. you have not provided any evidence to support such a conclusion. you cant go around making up rules, like you are trying to here.

also we cannot 'agree to disagree' because that would render the point of having an objective set of rules useless.

QFT.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I think you should have to declare the preferred race in a tourney or campaign... No big deal for casual gaming.

G

Good luck getting a tournament organizer to agree with you. As I said previously, there is absolutely nothing in the rule to indicate in any way, shape or form that the "preferred enemy" cannot be selected before each game of a tourney, rather than at the beginning of the tourney.

To cite a somewhat related issue, I do play a bit of fantasy. In WFB, the VC have an ability that will allow a Vampire to know all the spells from any Lore of Magic they chose. In every tournament I have played against a VC player, the TO has allowed the VC player to select the Lore to be known at the beginning of each game, rather than only once at the beginning of the tournament. While not identical, it shows how most people think in these situations.

A tourney I will be playing in is going with my interpretation. Sorry

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:A tourney I will be playing in is going with my interpretation. Sorry

G

Let me hear you whine! Like a little baby pls.

A tourney I will be playing in is going with my interpretation. Sorry

are you running a tourney now?
or do they make up new rules as they go along for each game?

and GBF, are you ment to be (or trying to be) some form of a troll?