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2500 Pts - Witch Hunters Roster - Foot Sisters Ard Boyz

1 Canoness @ 151 Pts
Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius; Cloak of St. Aspira; Jump Pack; Mantle of Ophelia; Master-crafted weapon
1 Mantle of Ophelia @ [15] Pts

4 Celestian Squad @ 86 Pts
Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Multi-Melta
1 Sister Superior @ [13] Pts
Bolter

4 Celestian Squad @ 86 Pts
Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Multi-Melta
1 Sister Superior @ [13] Pts
Bolter

4 Celestian Squad @ 86 Pts
Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Multi-Melta
1 Sister Superior @ [13] Pts
Bolter

16 Battle Sisters Squad @ 381 Pts
Imagifer; Add Priest; Bolter (x14); Meltagun (x2); Simulacrum Imperialis
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [75] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius; Purity Seals
1 Priest @ [90] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Power Armour

16 Battle Sisters Squad @ 381 Pts
Imagifer; Add Priest; Bolter (x14); Meltagun (x2); Simulacrum Imperialis
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [75] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius; Purity Seals
1 Priest @ [90] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Power Armour

16 Battle Sisters Squad @ 381 Pts
Imagifer; Add Priest; Bolter (x14); Meltagun (x2); Simulacrum Imperialis
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [75] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius; Purity Seals
1 Priest @ [90] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Power Armour

16 Battle Sisters Squad @ 381 Pts
Imagifer; Add Priest; Bolter (x14); Meltagun (x2); Simulacrum Imperialis
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [75] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius; Purity Seals
1 Priest @ [90] Pts
Melta Bombs; Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Power Armour

9 Retributor Squad @ 189 Pts
Bolter (x5); Heavy Bolter (x4)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts
Bolter; Book of St. Lucius

9 Retributor Squad @ 189 Pts
Bolter (x5); Heavy Bolter (x4)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts
Bolter; Book of St. Lucius

9 Retributor Squad @ 189 Pts
Bolter (x5); Heavy Bolter (x4)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts
Bolter; Book of St. Lucius

Total Roster Cost: 2500

Interesting list. (scratches head)

It's good to see you are back Stelek

Is that really enough anti-tank for 2500? 3 multimeltas and 8 meltaguns? I suppose the 9 Eviscerators help if anything gets close to you.

If you come close (and you will), this army will hurt you.

Hey man, you know I like and respect your lists but I'd like to throw down the gauntlet here:

You've written a number of lists for 5th edition, and a number of comments blasting people for saying lists are very good calling them 4th ed lists. What about writing a meta-list for 5th edition?

People know where the strengths of 4th edition were, but are trying to find out where they are in 5th edition. Things that were okay in 4th flamers and plasma cannons, are suddenly great to have. Things that were awesome in 4th, zippy fast tanks, aren't so hot in 5th edition.

Not an attack, but you've claimed to have the line on 5th edition so how about not just posting lists but a write up on what is strong at the meta level in 5th and what is weak.

Cogito

I'm waiting for the fools that endorse seraphim to come in and say something.

"You need some seraphim for this list...!" blahblahblah.

Seraphim...were great back in 3rd edition using the CA2002 rules.

Jump Pack + Fleet + Attacks + Init = Pure Win.

Haven't really been a fan since.

@ Cogito: Doing my best, getting just one guide out has proven more difficult than I expected. But I am working on it.

No allied Vulkan? :(

EDIT: I guess if you're not using Immolator spam it may not be worth it

Immolator's in a Sisters army don't need Vulkan, they come with twin-linked weapons...

No I wouldn't bring Vulkan in a list like this. What's he do for me?

Pretty good army would get stomped against some things.
but actually pretty good.

This list is ... pure fail as far as Sisters are concerned.

It looks quite good until - Priests? Really? There is no sitting on objectives daring your opponent to knock you off. You pretty much cannot ever rapid-fire your guns. And when you get assaulted, you're counting on Stubborn Ld 9 to hold - it's good, but it fails 1/6 times. And if it does, that's a huge portion of your army that you just lost... The Holy Rage is too much of a crutch and your opponent can take way too much advantage of it.

Also, I think that with foot only, that there needs to be some Multimelta Retributors.

Hmmm can always rapid fire.

Move back 6", fire.

Doesn't take much to destroy units in CC with this list either, which is the point of course.

So between us, who has the experience with the foot horde?

Right, just me.

Right, you had experience with foot Sisters... back in 3rd Ed, lol. Translates well .

Just because I chose to play mech, doesn't mean I don't know how to run foot.

It's the same army I ran back then.

Yes really, Sisters are that old.

Vehicles are strong again.

What's old is new again.

You've always pooh-pooh'ed foot sisters, man.

Always.

Let's see you run them for once.

Sisters + IG are not foot Sisters.

It's an interesting list. I don't see how you are going to take down a mech list or anything with range.

Your three multi-melta squads are easy points in a kill point game. With the retributors coming in a close second.

It will do alright in the objectives scenario but I don't see how this is going to make it across the table in the dawn of war scenario.

Of course that is based off of the last set of ard boyz scenario's.

@stjohn70 Agree about the multi-melta retributors and the priests. If I were going to use priests I would want them in a celestians squad. Celestians should be the only squad that ever gets into hth in a sisters army. I still think that the uber canoness celestian unit with a priest and a borrowed land raider could be fun, but man is that a lot of points.

@Deadshane1: About the only use I can see for a seraphim is a small 5 man with dual flamers deep striking to go after loota's, scout's, sniper's, etc. It's only a 124ish points and with the krak grenades they could actually hurt a tank. I'm not sold on it but that's about the best use I can think of for them.

My version of a foot list.

1 Canoness @ 125 Pts
Melta Bombs; Blessed Weapon; Book of St. Lucius; Cloak of St. Aspira; Jump Pack

1 Inquisitor Lord [OM] @ 211 Pts - Psycannon; Emperor's Tarot; Psychic Hood
1 Acolyte [OM] @ [14] Pts - Carapace Armour
2 Mystic [OM] @ [12] Pts
3 Gun Servitor [OM] @ [75] Pts - Heavy Bolter; Targeter

1 Inquisitor [OM] @ 151 Pts - Psycannon
1 Acolyte [OM] @ [14] Pts - Carapace Armour
2 Mystic [OM] @ [12] Pts
3 Gun Servitor [OM] @ [75] Pts - Heavy Bolter; Targeter

1 Inquisitor [OH] @ 142 Pts - Combi-Stake Crossbow
1 Acolyte @ [13] Pts - Carapace Armour
2 Chirurgeon @ [24] Pts
3 Gun Servitor @ [75] Pts - Heavy Bolter; Targeter

12 Battle Sisters Squad @ 217 Pts - Bolter (x10); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [65] Pts - Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius

12 Battle Sisters Squad @ 217 Pts - Bolter (x10); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [65] Pts - Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius

12 Battle Sisters Squad @ 217 Pts - Bolter (x10); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [65] Pts - Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius

12 Battle Sisters Squad @ 217 Pts - Bolter (x10); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [65] Pts - Brazier of Holy Fire (x1); Eviscerator; Book of St. Lucius

9 Battle Sisters Squad @ 149 Pts - Bolter (x7); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts - Book of St. Lucius

9 Battle Sisters Squad @ 149 Pts - Bolter (x7); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts - Book of St. Lucius

9 Retributor Squad @ 229 Pts - Bolter (x5); Multi-Melta (x4)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts - Book of St. Lucius

9 Retributor Squad @ 229 Pts - Bolter (x5); Multi-Melta (x4)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts - Book of St. Lucius

9 Retributor Squad @ 229 Pts - Bolter (x5); Multi-Melta (x4)
1 Veteran Sister Superior @ [30] Pts - Book of St. Lucius

(actually leaves 18 pts left over... afford some upgrades and/or another sister)
Another option is that could run 5 of the 13-strong Battle Sister Squads instead of 4 x 13 + 2 x 10

Mech Lists die to 6 S8+2D6 attacks with re-rolls. There are 8 meltaguns and 3 multimeltas, not sure why everyone ignores those. Is 20 meltaguns the right number for 2500? I didn't get the memo.

The Celestians are easy kill points. They are there specifically for that reason. Go ahead, shoot them.

Celestians don't have the numbers to carry the day in CC. Not since they were nerfed out of CCW+BP they don't.

Dawn of War? You run, like everyone else does with any foot army in said scenario.

That's alot of multimeltas!

Those small sisters squads gonna get owned in CC, why bother with evisc? To kill tanks if all else fails?

Inquisitors + Sisters isn't foot Sisters either, btw.

There's nothing scary in your version.

Meh, I don't know that "pure" Sisters lists have as strong a hold as they used too...
Heck, I know several purists that would say that Priests violate the all-Sisters theme.

Your sisters list dies to my rhino rush list. You do have 8 meltaguns and 3 multi-meltas. The problem is that by the time you get to use your guns your opponent is already in your face. Sure you pop the vehicle then whatever was in it gets to shoot/assault you on the next turn. Or better yet your opponent gets to unload and then use the rhino's to block off squads and allows him to isolate parts of your army.

I will say that this is where the immolator type list is not as good since the immy was what's doing the damage. But if it's the contents that do the damage your in trouble.

I guess my take on it would be something like this:

HQ
1 Canoness w/ eviscerator, brazier of holy flame, book of st. lucius, litanies of faith
1 Priest w/ eviscerator, brazier of holy flame, power armor
7 Celestians w/ bolters
1 Celestian w/ flamer
1 Celestian w/ heavy flamer
1 Veteran Celestian Superior w/ eviscerator, brazier of holy flame

1 Canoness w/ eviscerator, brazier of holy flame, book of st. lucius, litanies of faith
1 Priest w/ eviscerator, brazier of holy flame, power armor
7 Celestians w/ bolters
1 Celestian w/ flamer
1 Celestian w/ heavy flamer
1 Veteran Celestian Superior w/ eviscerator, brazier of holy flame

Troops
15 Battle Sisters w/ bolters
2 Battle Sisters w/ melta gun's
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ eviscerator, book of st. lucius

15 Battle Sisters w/ bolters
2 Battle Sisters w/ melta gun's
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ eviscerator, book of st. lucius

15 Battle Sisters w/ bolters
2 Battle Sisters w/ melta gun's
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ eviscerator, book of st. lucius

15 Battle Sisters w/ bolters
2 Battle Sisters w/ melta gun's
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ eviscerator, book of st. lucius

Heavy Support
4 Retributors w/ multi-meltas
5 Retributors w/ bolters
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ book of st. lucius

4 Retributors w/ multi-meltas
5 Retributors w/ bolters
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ book of st. lucius

4 Retributors w/ heavy bolters
4 Retributors w/ bolters
1 Veteran Sister Superior w/ book of st. lucius

@stjohn: I have to agree with stelek it was for a foot sisters list. I was tempted to stick the inquistors in there too . However removing the all sisters restriction it looks pretty good. I think 3 multi-melta retributors might be over doing it tho.

Still no plasma cannons tho? I would have thought yours would have been the perfect list for it.

Maybe 12 MM is overdoing it... maybe not. No Plasma Cannons as those squads are the anti-horde. What purpose would PC even serve?
My list has 9 HB, 2 Psycannon, 12 MM, 12 meltaguns, 4 flamers, and 88 bolters... seems ok to me.

Warmaster wrote:Your sisters list dies to my rhino rush list. You do have 8 meltaguns and 3 multi-meltas. The problem is that by the time you get to use your guns your opponent is already in your face. Sure you pop the vehicle then whatever was in it gets to shoot/assault you on the next turn. Or better yet your opponent gets to unload and then use the rhino's to block off squads and allows him to isolate parts of your army.

Then you read the 5th edition rules, and realize you can blow up the transport AND assault what pops out of it.

There goes that argument.

stjohn70 wrote:Meh, I don't know that "pure" Sisters lists have as strong a hold as they used too...
Heck, I know several purists that would say that Priests violate the all-Sisters theme.

Priests have always been part of the fluff for Sisters.

If I could field a Arch Redemptor instead of a stupid Inquisitor, I would ya know.

Oh I know... I have no argument with you there.

I just think that a foot Sisters list needs the Inq support at this points level. At 1750-2000, they can probably get by without it.

Stelek wrote:

Warmaster wrote:Your sisters list dies to my rhino rush list. You do have 8 meltaguns and 3 multi-meltas. The problem is that by the time you get to use your guns your opponent is already in your face. Sure you pop the vehicle then whatever was in it gets to shoot/assault you on the next turn. Or better yet your opponent gets to unload and then use the rhino's to block off squads and allows him to isolate parts of your army.

Then you read the 5th edition rules, and realize you can blow up the transport AND assault what pops out of it.

There goes that argument.

If anybody let you get that close then they deserve to lose. The mech list picks the distance you close at not the foot list.

stjohn70 wrote:Maybe 12 MM is overdoing it... maybe not. No Plasma Cannons as those squads are the anti-horde. What purpose would PC even serve?
My list has 9 HB, 2 Psycannon, 12 MM, 12 meltaguns, 4 flamers, and 88 bolters... seems ok to me.

The PC just gives some long range ap2. Nice for use against feel no pain and termies. Not really needed but I never feel right taking a shooty list without some sort of long range template weapon. It's also nice for when someone deep strikes to get to plate them before they run.

Kind of on a side note. With 2 out of 3 scenarios being objective based has anyone even tried the orbital bombardment? I'm curious. I always end up wanting to use all three heavy support slots for something else but in the 1500-1750 I wonder if it might be a decent choice.

If it wasn't terrain dependent, it would be great... ok, maybe too powerful if it could just be placed anywhere. But something other than the current method.

Warmaster wrote:

Stelek wrote:

Warmaster wrote:Your sisters list dies to my rhino rush list. You do have 8 meltaguns and 3 multi-meltas. The problem is that by the time you get to use your guns your opponent is already in your face. Sure you pop the vehicle then whatever was in it gets to shoot/assault you on the next turn. Or better yet your opponent gets to unload and then use the rhino's to block off squads and allows him to isolate parts of your army.

Then you read the 5th edition rules, and realize you can blow up the transport AND assault what pops out of it.

There goes that argument.

If anybody let you get that close then they deserve to lose. The mech list picks the distance you close at not the foot list.

Does it now?

Have you actually played 5th edition?

Setup 12" apart.

I'm foot, I go first.

I move 6", I run D6".

Now you have the SAME options as before, except no matter where you go I will be able to get to you.

The only exceptions to this are:

You fall back.

We setup in quarters.

Dawn of war.

Now if I'm playing foot against mech, am I an idiot and running my army in a long congo line for you to refuse flank?

Of course not. I'm setup in a box waiting for you to come and give me all you've got.

Bring your 40 Sisters in boxes.

I have 80.

You lose.

What game are you playing where you set up 12" apart? Pitched battle is 24". Dawn of war is 18". Spearhead is 24". You move up 6" and I'll even give you a run of 6". I flame you on turn one. Or if you hang back I position myself so that the back end of my rhino is more than 12" away from you. Its not that hard to do.

For some reason you keep thinking that I don't want to close with your list. I'm perfectly happy closing with your list. I'll take 2 of my rhino mounted squads with dual flamer against one of your squads any day of the week. Or even a canoness squad and 1 foot squad and I'll be more than happy to plow into you.

I'm not seeing how you are boxing anything in with your foot. You are putting them out front to get assaulted or shot.

And we havent even discussed me using my rhino's to force you to assault instead of getting to rapid fire.

Btw at this points level I have 80 sisters and you've got about 120ish. So instead of 2:1 you have me outnumbered by about 1/3. And that 3rd can't even hurt me until after I've gotten out of my vehicles.

I outrange you with the exorcists which means you are going to have to come to me in a kp game.

And if you want to sit in a box for an objectives game be my guest. Same with the deployment zone objectives.

Remember this is all the ard boyz scenarios the only mission you can sit in your box is kp and that's only if your opponent has no range. Also remember none of my transports give up kp's.