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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/01 03:41:41
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So whatever happened to the major Starship Trooper overhaul? Starship Troopers 3r edition seems to be vapourware. Anyone know what happened, or might happen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/04 02:40:13
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Infiltrating Moblot
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They made that WWII game that they're just releasing expansions for.
And they've stopped making minis completely. So basically, they dead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/04 06:07:40
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So I look on the Mongoose forums for the answers. Yes, Matt Sprange himself has answered my question. I guess I should have looked there first.
msprange, October 18th, 2008, Forums, Mongoose Publishing wrote:I am afraid the SST line has been cancelled.
msprange, September 7th, 2008, Forums, Mongoose Publishing wrote:I know the answer to this one
Seriously, this is something we have been doing a great deal of work on lately, as the miniatures division will indeed be reinstated next year. Basically, the problems came down to;
1. Quality Control. Ironically, packing errors were hugely reduced earlier this year with the introduction of a number of new procedures in the forge - good job too, considering the CTA sales that were looming. To illustrate, sales of CTA models increased by a few thousand times - the incidence of mispacks did not increase at all, and miscasts jumped up by only a tiny amount. The new procedures worked.
The weak point that remained was still the miscasts, and this comes down to less about quality control than the quality of the moulds themselves.
2. Miniature Design. This comes down to how both sculptors and mould-makers are guided. Our error here was to treat them more like writers, who within certain parameters, can be left to do their own thing - after all, if you have a good writer, you do not want to stifle his talent with your own pre-conceptions. Sclupting has to be monitored to much, much greater degree, something that was made abundantly apparent during a meeting I had with a certain someone last week. In a nutshell, Mongoose understood miniatures games, but there was no one who understood the miniatures themselves. You could almost say that the miniatures that did 'make the grade' were almost accidents on our part (from a certain point of view, at least).
Of all our issues with miniatures, this was the most critical.
3. Pre-paints. This is really a separate category, and the issues here have already been well documented. They have little bearing on traditional miniatures production.
At the same time, we also have to look at what we got right;
1. We had very, very few complaints about our rules systems, across all our games. The games systems themselves we have a good handle on.
2. We also have to acknowledge that we know how to 'pick them'. The _concept_ of our games (if not always the execution, where miniatures were concerned) has a tendency to get people excited.
Those, at least, are the broad strokes. We have been looking at the whole system of miniatures production, and how it can be done correctly - next year, after a 12 month break, we will begin again. There will be new systems and equipment in place and, importantly, there will be people on board who understand miniatures themselves, rather than just the games. We already have candidates on which games and which miniatures will lead the way (no, no hints just yet, I am afraid  ), now we are just getting all our ducks in line.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/05 15:25:31
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Infiltrating Moblot
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LOL
But they did just release Apocalypse Z the game.... a Zombie mod for their Battles game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/05 15:54:09
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yup. I think it's more to do with the Starship Troopers license evaporating than their inability to produce games and miniatures. Research in the Mongoose forums indicates that, with the advent of Starship Troopers 3, there's been something going on with that IP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/07 03:07:19
Subject: Re:SST Overhaul
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Fixture of Dakka
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It came down to a Civil War in the Starship trooper realm.
Sprang made claims his butt couldn't cash, then when we called them on it, they not only purged the forums, they obstinantly stuck to kool-aid swilling and " everythings going to be better when the prepaints come out".
It touched off an uprawer that pretty much self destructed the game. Whith the advent of the BF2 line, they pretty much canned thier fan base in hopes that they could pull something over on the masses, then continuoully stifled any and all oppositions and fan support in the process.
When Starship troopers 3 came out, the guilotine fell, and the game was pretty much shelved because they couldn't continually push crap and make a buck out of it.
The minis were continuouslly going down hill, the mecha race was a joke, the skinnies were flatulant in varying degrees, and they took an award winning mini game and pretty much crapped on it.
As for the zombie mod game, pfft, whatever.
I could easily snatch up 25-28 MM, and have a better go at it with some TAG guys, or some of those zombiesmith and hasslefree minis.
There was a rebel SST site called sicon command. after the schizm, the forum community pretty much split into two or three camps.
those that were bitter, those that are in denial, and those of us that moved on to better games and more important things to do.
As a side note, if you want in on a deal on some ( LOTS) of this stuff. I have enough that could easily go to a good home. 500 Bucks and you get enough bugs to eat a planet, and enough troopers to deal with them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/07 20:13:40
Subject: Re:SST Overhaul
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Grot 6 wrote:
As a side note, if you want in on a deal on some ( LOTS) of this stuff. I have enough that could easily go to a good home. 500 Bucks and you get enough bugs to eat a planet, and enough troopers to deal with them.
Good luck with that!
It sounds a lot like what a certain French manufacturer did to its fanbase too...
...and left many in a similar position as you're in now!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/08 11:31:34
Subject: SST Overhaul
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[DCM]
Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
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Damnedest thing is, apparently, SST was going to bury 40k when it came out, if the Intrawebs were to be believed!
So, let me get this straight in my mind...
SST is well and truly dead, for whatever reason.
But Mongoose will go back to producing miniatures?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/08 14:08:43
Subject: Re:SST Overhaul
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Fixture of Dakka
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Alpharius wrote:Grot 6 wrote:
As a side note, if you want in on a deal on some ( LOTS) of this stuff. I have enough that could easily go to a good home. 500 Bucks and you get enough bugs to eat a planet, and enough troopers to deal with them.
Good luck with that!
It sounds a lot like what a certain French manufacturer did to its fanbase too...
...and left many in a similar position as you're in now!
QFT, now you can't even give them away.
Looking over on Ebay, no one wants the stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/08 20:06:08
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The (original) game is pretty good though, and I have plenty of 40k models already!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 00:30:59
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Fixture of Dakka
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SST's biggest problem was always that its narrative overlapped too much with 40k's Imperium and Tyranids. Someone should write an IG & Nids 'mod' for the SST rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 01:18:07
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I think a Space Marine/Tyranids modification would be truer to the original novel. Probably not a coincidence that the Battle for Macragge was published a short while earlier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 02:15:36
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Infiltrating Moblot
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Well really, Heinlein came before 40k...but 40k came before Paul Verhoeven.
So really what SST should have been is mile-hopping Gorrilla Suits chucking Mini Nukes and flame throwing dozens of bugs at a time.
Now THAT would be cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 02:26:12
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Apparently they have that in the third movie. At least that's what I've heard. I'm trying to track down a copy.
In the game, at least, it should be easy enough to simulate Heinlein's power armour and armament.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 03:10:21
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Infiltrating Moblot
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Yeah; but it's a moot point now.
I'll pack all my SST stuff in the same box with my Warzone and VOID armies. They're the games I'll play at the cottage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 03:43:29
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Correction, it's a moot point for you. I rather like the idea of pursuing a 40k mod for the game now that it's out of print.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 05:30:11
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Nurglitch wrote:Apparently they have that in the third movie. At least that's what I've heard. I'm trying to track down a copy.
In the game, at least, it should be easy enough to simulate Heinlein's power armour and armament.
Don't watch it. Seriously, you don't want to see it. Star Trek 5 was better.
My Netflix review of the Starship Troopers 3:
A quote from Blackadder the Third sums up this movie; "it started badly, it tailed off a little in the middle and the less said about the end the better; but apart from that it was excellent."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 21:47:50
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Fixture of Dakka
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Nurglitch wrote:I think a Space Marine/Tyranids modification would be truer to the original novel.
Movie version, book version, space nuns version, whatever floats your boat.
Playing Imperium vs. Tyranids with SST rules would appeal to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/09 22:00:09
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Me too. Care to start a thread on the subject in the proposed rules forum, my dear Spiggott?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/10 01:29:52
Subject: Re:SST Overhaul
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Fixture of Dakka
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I've only seen SST played so I don't know the mechanics very well. I was hoping you were the SST expert. Are the SST rules available online?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/10 01:48:53
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The rules aren't available online, and I was hoping someone else would start a thread because mine inevitably get shiat in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/10 02:41:49
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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I actually bought a box of the SST mobibe infantry guys for like 10$ at my FLGS, im using em as kasrkins. There pretty sweet.
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-3k Watch my guys die in the tens per turn!
2k with fancy lava bases!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/10 12:29:29
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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I actually quite like SST. I have armies for all 3 races (obv I dont have the forth). It makes a nice distraction every now and again.
A good SST game of MI vs Bugs is a really fun thing, my friends took to it easily and we all love the movie. If you get the chance of picking stuff up cheap I'd say go for it.
was it ever going to replace 40k for me? no, never but I dont limit myself to one game/manufacterer.
The minis are often critisized but a lot of them are good. Most of the MI are nice , especially the marauder suits and grizzly/cougars.
The arachnid range is mostly great, the overseer, warriors, ripplers are all superb.
The Skinnies are an aquired taste I admit, they are meant as a nod to 50's sci fi (the time of the original book). Take a look at BulldogUK's blog on them and you'll see just how nice they can look.
If you like the movies, and enjoy a "Zulu" type game then go for it, as has been said, you can pick it up cheap enough.
One thing SST is never critisized for is the rules, they really are superb (and rumour has it are what Chambers originally wanted for 40k v4).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/11 08:51:57
Subject: SST Overhaul
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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I also bought several boxes of MI troopers (veterans, I think), a couple of chicken hawks and some 'Ape' marauder suits when my LGS was getting rid of them cheap.
Mainly because I quite liked the roughnecks series, but also because I wanted some minis for my radical Inq's ISTs that weren't kasrkin.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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