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 Crimson wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I’ve seen summmaries on warhammer total war forum (of all places) more in depth than that video. The lore is out there to find before now if you wanted to know. All this does is collect it into an easily digestible format for those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.

Indeed. Which is great. I want a full book of collected lore like this, instead of hunting it from different scattered sources.

That I can agree with. However I kind of liked how mysterious the setting is and don’t want it explained too much. So I’m a little torn on it.

 Gamgee wrote:
I’ve seen summmaries on warhammer total war forum (of all places) more in depth than that video. The lore is out there to find before now if you wanted to know. All this does is collect it into an easily digestible format for those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.

Aye OK, sure, that's why loads of folk on the main AoS forum didn't even come close to describing what the video shows in a topic specifically about its subject. What existed before was vague hints coupled with massive speculation, and "what does the AoS setting actually look like and how does it work" would get ten different answers from any given ten fans. Also, I do love how GW's initial failure to define and explain their setting to the people they expect to buy their products based on it is somehow our fault, that kool aid sure must be tasty stuff.

Anyway - I had a look at the preorder article on WC and didn't notice the new fattie Lord model, is that being held back until next week?

I want to have the overall structure of the setting clearly defined and have a lot of examples of different places and cultures, but still with a plenty of undefined areas where you can place your imaginary kingdoms and stuff.

Quite.

One appreciates that the lore ha been refined immensely since the game rolled out but I think a lot of games would've appreciated a background section with regards to the new story.


.. I guess it's the flipside to having had so many 40k rulebooks with -- by and large-- the same background info in them being foisted upon us all over the years.

The lore is out there to find

Much like the site rules with regards to not posting things like

those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.

which adds nothing to any conversation.

The information is there spread out through several books explaining the realms. Now as someone who been following the setting from the start i recognised right away the realms is pretty much yggdrasil or planetscape considering how they are described and connected.

What GW has done is condense like 6 books along with some battle tome stuff in a 4 minute video. Which is good for someone trying to get into the setting. Now consideringGW are selling a product such information shoukd be easily avaliable which they have now done.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Anyway - I had a look at the preorder article on WC and didn't notice the new fattie Lord model, is that being held back until next week?

Week 1 is just the Maggotkin book and Daemon stuff it looked like.
Gnarlmaw(tree)
Bilepiper
Spoilpox
Great Unclean One
Maggotkin
Daemon Codex
Auxiliary gaming stuff for those two books

Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.

At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.

Yep. This week's models are those that can he used in both 40K and AoS.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.

At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.

Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.

So I noticed in the Warqueen's video, they mention Darkoath Clans. If this really is a new faction, I'll never have been happier to have been wrong.

JSG wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.

At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.

Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.

The Age of Sigmar battletomes and whatnot have done an incredible job of worldbuilding over the last two years. Probably moreso than the first ten to fifteen years of Warhammer FRP 1 / Warhammer 1st-4th edition.
You just gotta read them.

 judgedoug wrote:

JSG wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.

At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.

Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.

The Age of Sigmar battletomes and whatnot have done an incredible job of worldbuilding over the last two years. Probably moreso than the first ten to fifteen years of Warhammer FRP 1 / Warhammer 1st-4th edition.
You just gotta read them.

Honesltly, all the codexes/battletomes read like high school history books. I'm always a little surprised when no one gives me a 10 question multiple choice quiz at the end of every chapter.

But hey, I know the basics and can just cheat off the guy in the desk next to mine that always carries a stuffed fox toy around for no real reason.

 judgedoug wrote:

JSG wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.

At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.

Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.

The Age of Sigmar battletomes and whatnot have done an incredible job of worldbuilding over the last two years. Probably moreso than the first ten to fifteen years of Warhammer FRP 1 / Warhammer 1st-4th edition.
You just gotta read them.

That may be so, but I’m not going to buy an expensive book to find out whether or not I like the setting. You’ve got to give people at least an idea of what it’s about to get them interested. GW have totally failed in that regard, until today. Today they’ve done a brilliant job and, for the first time, I’m actually vaguely interested in AoS.

Anyone who says that video on the realms contains no new info is full of gak. I encourage then to cite exactly where all the info from the video was previously mentioned. I've read all the fluff and while there was plenty of room for speculation much had not been confirmed.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anyone who says that video on the realms contains no new info is full of gak. I encourage then to cite exactly where all the info from the video was previously mentioned. I've read all the fluff and while there was plenty of room for speculation much had not been confirmed.

The realms being finite was mentioned in Pantheon and Battletome Ironjawz, the first also confirmed the whole "unstable thingy". The Realms being "in space" was confirmed in the same book (not overtly stated, just commented and treated as a rightful matter-of-fact thing, something that didn't deserve time to explain upon.). I don't remember where the realms' formation came from but I do remember it was a slow process that required multiple iterations and cooling .

Realmspheres are kind of new, as well as Ulgu and Hysh dancing around (then again, they were stated to be twin, closely knit and intertwined, realms multiple times), though.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anyone who says that video on the realms contains no new info is full of gak. I encourage then to cite exactly where all the info from the video was previously mentioned. I've read all the fluff and while there was plenty of room for speculation much had not been confirmed.

The only new thing really in the video(to me)is the realmspheres. Kragan pretty much mentioned the rest as I said before the video just confirms certain information that is across the narrative.

That video was great. Looked good, felt coherent and well thought-out. It’s obvious they didn’t have this clear a picture of the game universe in the beginning. I’m sure by now there have been enough pieces here and there to put together a very similar picture, but as someone who has read most of the novels, much of this stuff I did not know.

It does feel like a soft reboot of the game with the new logo, videos etc. Like GW sat down and said “ok, we fethed up, then we righted the ship, but now we’re getting rid of the baggage and doing this right”. Very much looking forward to AoS in 2018!

(Edit: I got ninja'd bad. This was meant for Ninthmusketeer.)
Haha, certainly the video had good new lore in it but as Shinros said the setting had a vague depiction of Yggdrasil about it for quite some time.

Biggest instance was the Skaven gnaw-tunnels depiction that had the realms appear as spheres. That matched up with the Norse realms scattered about the world tree.

Then the story "Pantheon" showed that the magical composition of the realms meant that their edges were expanding from the magical matter that formed them.

Then there's bits and pieces such as Gorkamorka's Waaaghs that rampaged to the edges of the realms and that there's fire realm material that shows there's layers to some realms instead of a singular plane.

Regardless the video did give some nice info and fill in some missing pieces to the puzzle.

That may be so, but I’m not going to buy an expensive book to find out whether or not I like the setting. You’ve got to give people at least an idea of what it’s about to get them interested. GW have totally failed in that regard, until today. Today they’ve done a brilliant job and, for the first time, I’m actually vaguely interested in AoS.

Indeed, the scattered lore and books are a stumbling block to AoS' epic lore. It's the reason why Yodhrin got multiple answers until Shinros showed up to clarify(or like how Fantasy newbies flood a Total War chat with wrong answers until a lore master shows up who's read the years worth of material), you get too many scattered lore masters while the guys new to setting have to settle for hearsay and snippets until someone knowledgeable can set them straight.

I suspect this was really done for the AoS rpg, this way new-comers can get straight into it without questions about the setting on their minds and a mountain of lore books in front of them to piece it together.




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Realmspheres are kind of new, 

Haha, Orruks found the edges and Skaven found the spheres.

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I like how it mirrors some depictions of Norse realms. (Azyrheim even is wrapped around Malleus like Asgard is wrapped around the tree while both are above everyone else)

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One thing that I wasn't aware of is how the realms are most stable and earth-like at the center, and seem to be more affected by the prevailing wind of magic as you get closer to the edges.

That was a good piece of lore. Makes me wonder how close to the center the current cities are? Are they dead center and the magic and dangerous occurrences in and around them as normal as things get or are they on the outskirts of normalcy?

 EnTyme wrote:
One thing that I wasn't aware of is how the realms are most stable and earth-like at the center, and seem to be more affected by the prevailing wind of magic as you get closer to the edges.

Yup going by pantheon the edges of the realms are pretty nuts even daemons can easily slip in.

Edit:spot on Baron this video is great for people getting the basics of the setting in an easily digestable chunk. Plus what I found a lot of people present memes and misinformation as fact seen it a lot on the total war forums. Example, like Grimgor kicking archaon in the nuts. Some people present that as fact when that never happened.

Oh don't even get me started on that Arch/1d4chan nonsense.

I had to go through three "continue threads" on Reddit with a guy who was defending that it happened despite only getting into Warhammer last year.

His defense was "well with so many people here saying it's true it must have happened". No, it means you and all the other newbs watched Arch for your lore info.

Fortunately a lore veteran came along and quoted the battle that showed the crotch kick was made up nonsense that Arch gave way too much emphasis on.

Thanks for those who responded to me, looks like we are all on the same page.

I think whether or not the information in the video was available in other sources, we can all agree compiling all that information into one video is a huge positive, and should help AoS grow. I would definitely love to see more lore-focused videos that don't necessarily tie directly to new releases.

Oh definitely!

GW's biggest mistake in the FB/AoS transition is still throwing away decades of setting material without any proper replacement.
AoS at release was nothing but an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes endlessly fighting over nothing.
Really good to see that has changed, and that GW is making those changes known. It is important for lore to be more easily accessible, as it was with WHFB and still is with 40k. A lot more worldbuilding is still needed for AoS to be able to hold a candle to the original Warhammer setting, but I am excited for what more cool new lore and models the future will bring.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
GW's biggest mistake in the FB/AoS transition is still throwing away decades of setting material without any proper replacement.
AoS at release was nothing but an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes endlessly fighting over nothing.

It really wasn't.

We knew there was a Realm associated with each of the Winds of Magic. They brought that up in the main flipping rulebook.
We knew that the "golden dudes and red dudes" were fighting over the Realm of Fire and that it was the first time that Sigmar actually launched an offensive!
We knew that this was the 'opening gambit' to start freeing those still living their lives in the various Realms that had been overrun by Chaos.

It was only "an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes" if one didn't even make a cursory attempt to read any of the material. And I'm not even talking about novels here, most of this is in the main rulebook and the booklet that came with the AoS starter set. A lot of it was also in WD at the time.

The realms just seemed empty and featureless at the first. There were really nothing to care about. Firestorm stuff was the first thing that made me care about the setting at all, finally there seemed to be some normal people who had actual lives and cultures. We need a lot more stuff like that and in greater detail.

The early info showed that most of the key factions either respawn, are numberless hordes or both, which didn't help with the impression of a sterile setting with no stakes beyond how long mortals can last without getting trampled by one of the big players.

Of course, if you hadn't actually read any of the Warhammer Fantasy background, and everything you knew came from what was on the covers of the boxes, that would have seemed like a very empty setting, too.