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HQ

Demon prince
mark of nurgle,gift of chaos,wings.
175

Troops

Plague marines x10
champ,powerfist,2x melta.
290

Plague marines x10
champ,powerfist,2x melta.
290

Plague marines x10
2x plasma gun.
260

Plague marines x10
2x plasma gun.
260

Heavy support

Obliterators x3
225

I would like to play this army in objective games mostly the capablity to walk up and sit on an objective all match is gonna be fun, DP will go for HQ etc to make sure they dont mess up my plague marines later, in my flgws i play on boards 48"x60" so we deploy 24"-28" inches away from each other,so no need for tanks.

With 5th edition's troop-centric rules this looks like it'll work fairly well, but I'd be worried about mobility. The DP is the only thing that can really move across the field with any speed so you might be fighting to get to those objectives before your opponent. On a scale of 1-10, I'd say 7.5 before hearing how it does in a game.

cooment and rate please.

it looks kinda boring but it also looks like it would do well in a game.

7 out of 10

i play-tested this but with 40 marines instead of plague marines (used as plague marines) and your opononets reaction is so halarious, i found it fun to play with,the oblits i enjoyed,all hail plasma cannons,and sitting a squad on his objective and watch him struggle to get them off was fun too.

DP, MoN, Gift, Wings 180 pts

10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Melta, Icon 295 pts
10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Melta, Icon 295 pts
10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Plas, Icon 305 pts
10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Plas, Icon 305 pts

3x Oblits 225

Should probably go back and tell your opponent you were 105 pts over.

Here is a list that might do a little better an be more legal

DP, MoN, Gift, Wings 180

10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Plas, Rhino w/ Havoc+Extra Armor 365
10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Plas, Rhino w/ Havoc+Extra Armor 365
10x PMs, Ch. w/ PF, 2x Plas, Rhino w/ Havoc+Extra Armor 365

3x Oblits 225

Can move, sit on objectives in Rhinos shooting launchers use the Rhinos as cover. DP reinforces objectives. Oblits lay down Plas cannons

changes made taken champs off objective squads (plasma squads) and taken icons off,typeline did you read what i put under my list?probaly not in my flgws i play on boards that are 48" so we deploy upto 24" apart, no need for rhinos.

Xav wrote:changes made taken champs off objective squads (plasma squads) and taken icons off,typeline did you read what i put under my list?probaly not in my flgws i play on boards that are 48" so we deploy upto 24" apart, no need for rhinos.

Sorry didn't realize you don't play spearhead. Or that everyone brings heavy anti-tank making rhinos as cover useless.

i'd rather have an extra 10 plague marines than 3 rhinos IMO,and if i play spearhead we still only deploy about 24" apart the boards are 48"x48".

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HQ

Demon Prince
Mark of nurgle,wings,Gift of Chaos.
175

Elites

Terminators x5
5 combi-plasma,powerfist.
185

Troops

Plague marines x9
2x melta gun,champion,PF.
268

Plague marines x9
2x melta gun,champion,PF.
268

Plague marines x9
2x plasma.
238

Plague marines x9
2x plasma.
238

Heavy support

Obliterator x2
150

Made some changes realy wanted a terminator squad in there,dont care if its slightly worse then the first one, its more fun,im 22 points over hopefully my opononet wont mind or il take a plague marines out.

bump

please comment people!!!!

I really do not think that gifts of chaos is a good idea on your DP. I would go with Warptime instead.

yeah,
Gift of Chaos is good to pop multi wound models.

I'd still use rhinos, maybe only 2 if your not a fan, but 24" nomans land is standard and if you get into a KP game with a shooty army that will happily stay in it's own back yard all game that's alot of ground to cover to get to grips with the enemy...

Panic>>.

Its too monodimensional.
A fast army like mech Eldar flies circles around your force. Lots of Plague Marines are boring to play. Get some variety.

ah but panic thats were the termies come in,and possibly the DP and obliterators, a shooty tau army would get owned by a DP and terminator squad,so i should switch to warptime then?

does warptime let you re-roll armour pentration?


wuestenfux i was thinking of somehow getting the points for a plasma heavy chosen squad with mark of nurgle,stick them in cover good luck getting them out,but i dont have the points,or the plasma guns for that matter,i like having 4 squads of plague marines 7 man seems just to small for me.

I warn you: The first one is a pretty boring list. I played one like that for some time. It works okay, but it plays the same most of the time. You just maneuver a little bit to get to be the attacker in CC. But it is not too painful to be attacked. You maneuver a bit to use the range of your bolters and plasma guns. But again, it does not hurt to get it wrong once or twice. Or you move to the objective and stay there. And thats it about tactics...

It is quite hilarious to see this against horde armies. Hidden powerclaws hurt. Rending hurts. But not enough.
Shooty armies also do not hurt enough. Not even specialized stuff like stern guards with vengeance rounds.
It works okay against Nidzilla, just ignore hive-tyrants with a guard retinue equipped with whips. That's a real tar pit - a unit that is even tougher than you.
I have no idea how mechanized eldar would do.

Again, a warning: It is boring to play. I go with two winged DP for more flexibility (for example for ripping apart LRs - LRCs are not much of a problem, but lascannons are annoying) and some more tactical options.
Rhinos might do the same.
Just never think about getting Typhus - that's just more of the same boring slow-moving stuff, with powerfist-instakills changing from slightly tickling to painful.

Now the bad part:
First time I got tabled with an army like this was against 2x10 GK Terminators. Hitting on 3+, Wounding on 3+, no armor save, no FnP. Plus their guns are a lot better. Mopped the floor with me.
And that is the main problem, imho: You have nothing to deal with terminator spam (either chaos terminators, loyalist terminators or honour guard with relic weapons). Chaos terminators only cost 7 points more, have the same save (3+ and FnP equals 2+ when it comes to bolters and the like) but negate both your save and your FnP.

That's why I like your second list better. A anti-terminator group of terminators will be my choice, too. I am not sure about the setup, though. I'd go for one of the extremes, either 10 cheap ones with basic equipment or 6 twin-lightning-claw wielding chosen terminators for 50 pts. The last choice might be modeled with scythes instead of the claws ("counts as") as a reminiscence to the Death Shroud bodyguards - if you're into the fluff thing. I like the idea a lot. If you're not going with the fluff, you might want think about a mark of +1 initiative to prepare them for their terminator-hunting role.
You're approach would work as a hybrid one, softening up the opponent with plasma and then going in for the kill, I guess. Good approach, yet I am not sure if melta+assault is a better choice than rapid-firing plasma.

Xav wrote:Made some changes really wanted a terminator squad in there. I don't care if its slightly worse then the first one, it's more fun. I'm 22 points over hopefully my opononet won't mind or I'll take a plague marine out.

(Fix'd your spelling/grammar/punctuation errors)

If you don't care about the lists viability why do you keep bumping this thread? Further more why do you keep asking for critique if your just going to deflect all of it?

Me personally dont like many foot slogging PMs. There is may lists that would just table that. One List off the top of my head is Tau running Suits with PR/MPs. They can just JSJ you and bypass your Armor and FNP.

7 PMs in a rhino is ultra tough. In most games I have been playing I have at least 1 rhino w/7 PMs within. Its rare that someone actually cleans up all my PMs. Im only running 3 squads of 7 PMs in rhinos.

In my opinion I would toss some rhinos, to keep you alittle more mobile. In many cases I just move 6 and rapid fire 2xPlasma guns out the hatch.
Honestly I have been playing a few test games running only 2 troops of PMs, and like 10 termies.. Messing around People are not able to take out my PMs.

Mausama

Nice list, this one to me is more of a fun list ut id give it a 8 outta 10

thanks for input guys,but i realy realy wanna keep rhinos out this list,i just think it destroys the whole deathguard fluff,i agree with you plague marines in a rhino is amazing but i just dont like them when playing friendly,and typheline you say ive been deflecting people's advice because i dont want rhino's in the list and thats what ive been ignoring.



EDIT: I just realised how bad i am at making army list,aplogises for my ignoring good advice, i would realy like to keep those 4 plague marines squads in there and if i moved them down to 7 man i could possibly include more obliterators,and buy the plague marines box set instead of converting them from CSM's,i wanna the rhinos out of it and no vehicles, i love the deathguard fluff.