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Not sure if this is the correct spot for this but..... With the advent of "True LOS" the gam ehas changed...dramatically.

Let m egive you an example... I was going to do a "counts as" rhino base doff a toy I found. But it is somewhat larger and taller than a rhino. That would mak eway more difficult to hide behind terrain. So, i've scrapped the project.

Has anyone else had their modelling changed by the new rules? Has anyone changed their modelling planst to take advantage of the new rules? How would you go about modelling for advantage?

ender502

Keep a standard model close at hand and use common sense if there is a question about LoS just replace the converted one with the GW one to spot distance then play on.

I hate to sound like a jerk but the point of TLoS is you play with the models on the table. This gives advantages and disadvantages. By swapping models there is the chance for monkey business.

Historical tanks (in 1/35 scale) are generally longer but narrower than GW tanks so they present less frontal profile.

I'm not changing my modelling plans just because of TLoS. I'm going to make models I like.

Kilkrazy wrote:I hate to sound like a jerk but the point of TLoS is you play with the models on the table. This gives advantages and disadvantages. By swapping models there is the chance for monkey business.

Historical tanks (in 1/35 scale) are generally longer but narrower than GW tanks so they present less frontal profile.

I'm not changing my modelling plans just because of TLoS. I'm going to make models I like.

That's how i'm leaning as well. I want to make some of the leman russ/knight titan conversions. Th emodels are way high though...but very spindly. A taller profil but narrower as well.

ender502

Since true LOS have been part of the game several years, I did all my size decisions years ago.

Steelmage99 wrote:Since true LOS have been part of the game several years, I did all my size decisions years ago.

Uhhh... I think that's a 4th ed YMDC issue. If you search there are quite a few threads on the issue. Yakface had a great poll on the types of LOS and people used.

ender502

I personally could care less about how TLoS effects my modeling. I truly enjoy playing table top war games, but playing is only 1/3 of my fun. If I cripple the other 2/3 just for that then I would feel foolish. I take just as much pride in stabbing/cutting/amputating my fingers and hands to make beautiful conversions that I then put hours of effort into painting, as I do winning games. I think anyone who would give up a piece of their hobby, or mold that part of the hobby around TLoS as an exploit is not someone I would have fun playing with.

ender502 wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:Since true LOS have been part of the game several years, I did all my size decisions years ago.

Uhhh... I think that's a 4th ed YMDC issue. If you search there are quite a few threads on the issue. Yakface had a great poll on the types of LOS and people used.

ender502

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the old size categories from 4th. I meant the decisions of wether to have big vehicles or small vehicles, with the consequenses that follows.
It was also a slight stab at the "TLOS is brand new-stick". It is my experience, that this is something experienced by people, that used to play in places that didn't have time to make proper terrain. I am also of the oppinion that the above mentioned stick is mostly thrown by mostly tournament going individuals (with all that means).

They don't want you to be able to hide any models anymore. Might as well play on completely open tables because if it's not one big solid piece it almost impossible to hide a model.

Lemartes wrote:They don't want you to be able to hide any models anymore. Might as well play on completely open tables because if it's not one big solid piece it almost impossible to hide a model.

It just means people will build "smaller" models and "bigger" terrain. Most of my COD terrain will have at least some of the windows "boarded up" in order to block LOS completely.

ender502

It would be amusing to build an army made up entirely of Space Marines kneeling down.

Possibly not worth the hassle though...

Steelmage99 wrote:

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the old size categories from 4th. I meant the decisions of wether to have big vehicles or small vehicles, with the consequenses that follows.
It was also a slight stab at the "TLOS is brand new-stick". It is my experience, that this is something experienced by people, that used to play in places that didn't have time to make proper terrain. I am also of the oppinion that the above mentioned stick is mostly thrown by mostly tournament going individuals (with all that means).

Wow. I don't know how to respond without drawing a warning.

ender502

Aztralwolf wrote:I personally could care less about how TLoS effects my modeling. I truly enjoy playing table top war games, but playing is only 1/3 of my fun. If I cripple the other 2/3 just for that then I would feel foolish. I take just as much pride in stabbing/cutting/amputating my fingers and hands to make beautiful conversions that I then put hours of effort into painting, as I do winning games. I think anyone who would give up a piece of their hobby, or mold that part of the hobby around TLoS as an exploit is not someone I would have fun playing with.

QFT!

It is frustratingly difficult to hide my "dramatically" posed Defiler, but overall, I prefer the True Line of Sight rules since they are simple in concept and execution, which makes the game smoother and easier. Hopefully bigger terrain will become a standard.

groz wrote:It is frustratingly difficult to hide my "dramatically" posed Defiler, but overall, I prefer the True Line of Sight rules since they are simple in concept and execution, which makes the game smoother and easier. Hopefully bigger terrain will become a standard.

Hehe, my buddy runs 3 defilers. Only way to hide those things is put yer model case on the board standing up and call it a mountain. Honestly my friends and I are figuring on trying a laser pointer so settle disagreements. For the most part though I do agree TLoS is much smoother. If there is no odd man out to judge our basement games then we simply go with the "OK I will give you that one, just don't forget this when one of my shots is up in the air" ruling.

It is much easier to change your terrain than your models. It only takes a few bucks of styrofoam and some glue to make 3 and 4 tiered hills, a $2.50 sheet of foamboard to make an intact building, etc.

I find it is much better to have cool terrain AND cool modified figures!

However, I have not pulled my demon prince off of the 3" rock he is standing on, even though standing behind a rhino no longer(well, never did) give him 50% cover.

I was lucky for the last few years and playing in a store that conveinetly forgot that Size catagories from 4th only applied to seeing over area terrain and applied them to everything.

Model the models you want your army to have. If you want to also not take gameplay disadvantages, consider that while converting it. As long as it's not outrageos most people will be of the opinion that you take the good with the bad and move on.

Meph

Kilkrazy wrote:
I'm not changing my modelling plans just because of TLoS. I'm going to make models I like.

QFT

burb1996 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:
I'm not changing my modelling plans just because of TLoS. I'm going to make models I like.

QFT

QFT

Aduro wrote:

burb1996 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:
I'm not changing my modelling plans just because of TLoS. I'm going to make models I like.

QFT

QFT

I third that motion