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1xsorcerer(mark of tzeench,familiar,gifts of chaos,winds of chaos and bolt of change.he is in termie armour with a twin-linked bolter)235 points
10xtroops asp champion power fist,plasma pistol.melta gun and flamer and an icon bearer of khorne
10xtroops asp champion power sword,plasma pistol.heavy bolter,plasma gun
10xtroops asp champion power sword,twin linked bolter,1xreaper auto cannon and missle launcher
8xnoise marines asp champ doomsiren plasma pistol,1xblastmasters,6xSonic blasters
5xtermies champion with dual lightning claws,reaper auto cannon and the rest have combi weapons,3xpower fists,440 points,LR
5xtermies champion with dual lightning claws,heavy flamer the rest have combi weapons,3xpower fists,420 points,LR
1xvindi daemonic possesion,twin linked bolter,
1xdreadnought missle launcher twin linked las cannon
3xrino with extra armour and havoc launcher and combi weapon,dozer blade
2xLR with combi bolter and havoc launcher,dozer blade
not 100% on the points

Hey,

I suggest thinking about replacing one of your psychic powers with Warptime, possibly the Bolt of Change, if you're planning on putting the Sorcerer in close combat. Firstly it'll enhance his close combat potential, secondly it can be used in close combat, and thirdly it can be used to enhance whatever shooting he does prior to close combat, which is probably best done via the Wind of Chaos. A Combi-Melta will go some way to making up for the lack of a Bolt of Change.

Warptime, Wind of Chaos, and Bolt of Change is also funky, since you can use Warptime in close combat along with the Sorcerer's Force Weapon, but having those two ranged weapon powers will make a Combi-Weapon pretty superfluous, and you won't have the ability to spawnify Independent Characters and Monstrous Creatures.

Having Melta Bombs and a Power Fist is pretty expensive and not really necessary. Likewise Plasma Pistols are expensive and kind of un-necessary - I think you'd do better with Combi-Weapons like Combi-Plasma.

I don't think Noise Marines can have two Blastmasters.

Regarding the Terminators, the Reapers are expensive and I think you'd do better splitting the squad in two since you have the slots. Also, you lack Icons to bring your Terminators and Obliterators down with precision.

thats true but if bolt of change is replaced with warp time the points don't change and i think he's worth around 335 points.i think i can have 2 blastmasters theres a picture on the back of the csm 'dex basides you pay for it.

hello there

warsmith pyrus wrote:thats true but if bolt of change is replaced with warp time the points don't change and i think he's worth around 335 points.i think i can have 2 blastmasters theres a picture on the back of the csm 'dex basides you pay for it.

it doesnt matter if a picture has an icorrect configuration, if it wont let you in the codex, you cant do it.

Codex: Chaos Space Marines, p97, Noise Marines wrote:
"One Noise Marine may replace his bolter with a Blastmaster for 40pts."

emphasis mine

warsmith pyrus:

More like 235pts.

is it still possible to give my sorcerer inferno rounds or has that changed in the new rules

i suggest you read the latest CSM codex thoroughly, learn what is in there and then come back and propose a new army list. its harder to help you if you dont know whats in your own codex.

and no, HQ sorcerers can no longer have inferno bolts.

Purchase codex

i do have the codex somewhere i'm just to lazy to find it

yeah,
Iron warriors are kinda hard to do properly in the new codex...
they need lots of terminators/dreads/preditors/obliterators/vindicators/LRs
yet can only have 3 elite and 3 heavy slots

So if you want foot slogging Iron warriors your looking at 3 squads of terminators and 3 squads of obliterators
It helps that terminators can take a LRs as transports.

if you want vehicle heavy ironwarriors army your looking at 3 dreads and 3 vindiactors/preditors/LR....... or a combination somewhere inbetween...


So If i was doing Iron Warriors I'd look at a list starting something like this

HQ
WarSmith
I'd use a converted techmarine counts as Huron Blackhearts.
Using his rules...
he has power claw with built in Heavy flamer---> which could be repressented nicely by a servo-harness claw and a servo harness Heavy flamer.
warptime and a 5+ inv save , power weapon, frag and krak grenades... and is fearless --> all good stuff to show that the dudes equiped x2 CCWs with rerolls... and rock hard...
(the only thing to remember ingame is that he still strikes at I1 due to the power fist... even though he's not currently modeled with one)
if you can be bothered you could even make a little servitor familiar, as a counts as hamadrya to re-enforce the theme that its a huron counts as...

Troops
at least two squads of Chaos marines in rhinos.... maybe three or four squads...

with what's left
Elite
2x terminator squad in LRs
1x Dread

Heavy
2x vindiactors
1x obliterator

...
...

anyways that's my thoughts...


Panic...

that a good idea

1xsorcerer(mark of tzeench,familiar,gifts of chaos,winds of chaos and bolt of change.he is in termie armour with a twin-linked bolter)235 points
10xtroops asp champion power fist,plasma pistol.melta gun and flamer and an icon bearer of khorne
15xtroops asp champion power sword,plasma pistol.heavy bolter,plasma gun
8xnoise marines asp champ doomsiren plasma pistol,2xblastmasters,5xSonic blasters
10xtermies champion with dual lightning claws,2xreaper auto cannons and the rest have combi weapons
1xvindi daemonic possesion,twin linked bolter
1xdreadnought missle launcher twin linked las cannon
2xfull squads of oblierators,450 points
1xrino with extra armour and havoc launcher and combi weapon

Panic's list looks better.
Well, I'd take a Warsmith to lead the army as Panic said.
A few Rhino squads are mandatory for scoring purposes.
The most important part is HS:
Vindicators are a fluffy choice since IW are siege specialists,
and Dreads are also fluffy since they counted in the old ed as HS.

and needs nurgle bikes tooo

for god's sake typhus shut up about those dammed nurgle bikers i don't need fast attack that badly

yes you do you need at least 20

also i changed my list slightly

still no bikes

typhus wrote:still no bikes

i TOLD you NO FAST ATTACK they're IW

Even though IW typically do not have much fast attack, I recently added some units of Raptors to my IW list to good effect (2x melta + PF champ or 2x flamer + PF champ depending on metagame).

I feel that bikes are mostly poo, and that adding an icon of nurgle to bikes is akin to putting a whipped cream and cherries onto a turd.

no you phail at life