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When you move a unit with lash of submission can you place the models as you wish or do they land in the same formation they started in? i.e Can you bunch them up for Plasma cannon shots or do they ahve to be spread out.

You may arrange their unit any way you want as long as no model is moved more than your 2D6" lash movement roll.

So cluster them up and p.cannon away.

Yup.
I learned this to my pain in my recent game against twin lash.
56 orks dead to shooting in one turn! Ouch!

OMGS!
Ewwww

Is there anyway for the chaos aggressor to choose which models of a target unit are removed as casualties during shooting?

for the purpose of making a lashed conga-line the removing models from the center so that the target unit would start it's turn out of coherency?

Well, Chaos can create a situation where all of the models are obliterated - does that count?

Also, clever placement might do it. Here's how:
1. place any "normal" troopers at the middle of the unit, spaced at least 1.5 inches apart, in a straight line.
2. Place "special" troops at the ends.
3. Use a plasma cannon/demolisher cannon to get one or more unsaveable wounds.
This results in a situation where the wounded unit either loses a "special" model ("Ouch!") or removes a "normal" model and then is out of coherency. Still allows a choice, but not a good choice...

that's really lame.

NOt especially lame. It's knowing the rules.

I wouldn't bother with it because it's too much like hard work though.

Pretty solid tactic otherwise.

You do this at a tounament you probably will not get any spotsmanship scores, and if you have an average paint skill, this may just kill you in the long run.

Do this at you LFGS and you may find yourself with noone to play with the next week

I used Lash like this once. Then my family left me.

Clever idea on the "out of coherency" shot.

padixon wrote:You do this at a tounament you probably will not get any spotsmanship scores, and if you have an average paint skill, this may just kill you in the long run.

Do this at you LFGS and you may find yourself with noone to play with the next week

QQ more noob

so wait people don't want to play you if you use good tactics?

Timmah wrote:so wait people don't want to play you if you use good tactics?

Just take his word for it or try it at a lgs and see for yourself.

Timmah wrote:so wait people don't want to play you if you use good tactics?

Yeah you get bad sports n' stuff. So run those thousand sons right into CC and run stripped down lords with MoT. Then you get A++ sports man srsly!

Typeline wrote:

padixon wrote:You do this at a tounament you probably will not get any spotsmanship scores, and if you have an average paint skill, this may just kill you in the long run.

Do this at you LFGS and you may find yourself with noone to play with the next week

QQ more noob

Are you serious?

I really thought this was an adult forum, maybe I was wrong. Or are you the exception.

There IS a difference to good tactic (a right timed drop, an out maneuver, etc..) and there is the taking the time to set up units just so you can 'snipe', just because you can? What is this?

I don't know where you play sir, but where I do, this is unacceptable. You play for (this is the important part) *MUTUAL* enjoyment. Not so someone can have a good time at the expense of another.

Sad.

Ill sign with the QQ more, L2P..

Why cry about someone using something the way it is supposed to be allowed to? Wich of the "dangerous" stuff in difrent armies are ok to use?

If you get people not wanting to play you cause you use your army to the max you are better of not playing them. And if they try to give you low sports for it, in most places you can complain to the judges.

padixon wrote:

Typeline wrote:

padixon wrote:You do this at a tounament you probably will not get any spotsmanship scores, and if you have an average paint skill, this may just kill you in the long run.

Do this at you LFGS and you may find yourself with noone to play with the next week

QQ more noob

Are you serious?

I really thought this was an adult forum, maybe I was wrong. Or are you the exception.

There IS a difference to good tactic (a right timed drop, an out maneuver, etc..) and there is the taking the time to set up units just so you can 'snipe', just because you can? What is this?

I don't know where you play sir, but where I do, this is unacceptable. You play for (this is the important part) *MUTUAL* enjoyment. Not so someone can have a good time at the expense of another.

Sad.

Setting up units properly with a lash to snipe is good tactics.

We could have a long draw out debate about sports scores or I could just tell you to stop crying about it. Either way your upset.

PM sent, this is way off topic

i use lash and have last used against me, me and my mates all take hard lists so it ends up being a game of tactics because one mistake and our armies will carve the other to pieces.

personally with lash though against things like orks i favour lashing one unit forwards and one backwards, then the oblits that just D/s will use twin linked flamers and destroy lots ready for the lesser daemons to charge in and carve the rest up and the oblits go in for PW attacks, so does the prince for overkill, they then retreat so the unit that was lashed back definately wont be in range and then do the same thing again

i like it in the combo with lesser daemons, i am trying to perfect an army list that can use them effectively with twin lash

padixon wrote:PM sent, this is way off topic

Two men enter. One man leaves.

I played against a guy last week who used lash. He moved my Warboss AWAY from his HQ so he wouldn't have to fight him. A Chaos "Lord", using his power to push his opponent away from him!

What have I learned from this? Lash is for losers.

Anung Un Rama wrote:What have I learned from this? Tactics are for losers.

Fixed your whine for you. Clearly the game is all about just running models into each other, rolling dice and seeing whose dice rolled better.

Quick question. If someone used a lash as described above and I took losses such that I was out of coherency would it matter? Wouldn't I just move back into coherency during my movement?

I think thats the point. If you have a heavy weapon or a rapid fire weapon, you have just impeded that models shooting cos he has to move.

i have no problem with lash. its more of a point and click sort of thing.

"good assault guy is close = lash away"
"wana put some templates/rapidfire/assault on the guy = Lash in a little close together"

simple as that.

and my only gripe about lash is it takes out all the "custom" legions and making every HQ choice of most chaos armies into slaanesh followers

groz wrote:

padixon wrote:PM sent, this is way off topic

Two men enter. One man leaves.

<comes back dusting himself off>

enmitee wrote:

and my only gripe about lash is it takes out all the "custom" legions and making every HQ choice of most chaos armies into slaanesh followers

Yeah I don't like this. But if my Tzeentch Sorcs could have 3+ invuls like SM HQs with shields or my Nurgle Sorc/Lord could have T6 like Robot Boy I'd be taking them. It's just that the codex is poorly written. When it gets a rewrite I'm sure every option in it will more or less be awesome. But right now Lash is awesome, DPs are awesome, PMs are awesome, and Oblits are the best and most versatile Heavy Support the CSM codex has. I sometimes wish it wasn't true, but I think PMs and Slaanesh DPs look awesome so what ever.

enmitee wrote:i have no problem with lash. its more of a point and click sort of thing.

"good assault guy is close = lash away"
"wana put some templates/rapidfire/assault on the guy = Lash in a little close together"

simple as that.

and my only gripe about lash is it takes out all the "custom" legions and making every HQ choice of most chaos armies into slaanesh followers

You forgot one,
Playing Tau or IG, lash 'em closer for the assault.

Can a unit go to ground when they are lashed?

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:Can a unit go to ground when they are lashed?

G

according to the FAQ, yes.

Lash was one of the big reasons I quit playing chaos...too easy.

Bat Manuel wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:Can a unit go to ground when they are lashed?

G

according to the FAQ, yes.

Lash was one of the big reasons I quit playing chaos...too easy.

You left out the most important point: According to the FAQ, the target unit can go to ground but it won't prevent them from being moved the first time.