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I just thought of an interesting special weapon for the IG.
Since all of the special weapons just give the individual guardsmen one big shot rather than thier typical LasPointer (OK, plas is rapid fire, meh) I thought, why not swap the trusty flashlight for a few decent shots?

I give you, the "stubber"
yep, no big invention, just downsize an existing weapon

24" S4 Ap6 assault 3
+10pts?

basically, it's an imperial M60. watcha think?

A Stubber would have the same stats as a Lasgun, while a Heavy Stubber is what we already have available on Pintle mount.

I think Heavy Stubber should be available as-is as a Special weapon to complement the Heavy Bolter in a extra-dakka Guard squad.

why would a stubber be a lasgun?

yes, the heavy stubber in a squad would be neat, but wouldn't that require two guardsmen to use? and be unable to fire after moving?


I do agree that getting a stubber in any form for a squad would be cool, but if there's a heavy stubber, wouldn't there be a light/normal version?

Because HS is worse than HB, and there's not much lower you can go except Lasgun.

In Necromunda, HS is a single-person gun. If you have a squad with HS & HB, it's not going to move, but it'll be cheap and throw 6 shots at 36" range. Not so terrible at all!

The Stubber could simply count as a Lasgun.

A heavy stubber is suppose to be a .50cal machine gun. An autogun an assault rifle, a stubber is a sub-machine gun. I think with the vacuum opened by the bump up of shotgun to S4, there is space for the stubber to be R12 S3 AP- Assault 2.

oh, I didn't know about the Necromunda rules...


and Mythos, why would a lighter stubber be a subgun? the next logical step down from a mounted heavy machine gun is a man-portable, light machine gun.
Jumping from HMG to SMG skips five types of firearms.

Its just the simplification of weapons to fit the broadly encompassing stats. For example, a lasgun in 40k ends up at R24 S3 AP-. While with the more detailed rules of Inquisitor or Hersey there are 4 or 5 distinctively different "lasguns" all with different ranges, ammo capacities, weight etc. The subtle variations are lost due to the scale of detail, like a heavy stubber stats could also be said to represent a light machine gun or heavy machine gun. In the Necromunda fluff, a stubber is suppose to be in the .32cal, 9mm, .45cal range.

Illeix wrote:oh, I didn't know about the Necromunda rules...


and Mythos, why would a lighter stubber be a subgun? the next logical step down from a mounted heavy machine gun is a man-portable, light machine gun.
Jumping from HMG to SMG skips five types of firearms.

Actually, they're only half right, as the actual Stubber models in Necromunda are actually a Semi-automatic Handgun or a six round revolver, not a rifle or SMG at all. A Stubber is a catch-all phrase for any handgun that isn't automatic(like the aptly named Autopistol). The "jumps" of "primitive tech(able to be made cheaply and without aide from the Ad Mech)" weapons are Stubgun(any non automatic solid round handgun)-Autopistol(any sutomatic solid round handgun/SMG)-Autogun(any solid round automatic rifle)-Heavy Stubber(.50 machine gun)-Autocannon(large caliber automatic cannon). Of these, the Admech generally only continues to make and use the Autocannon. Most Heavy Stubbers and Autoguns are made locally for use by PDFs that can't obtain/afford Guard issue and quality weaponry.

I thought those were Stub-pistols?

aka_mythos wrote:I thought those were Stub-pistols?

They're the same thing, at least according to both Inquisitor and Dark Heresy, as well as the newer version of Necro.

Inquisitor, Dark Heresy, and Necromunda are not Warhammer 40,000, they are Inquisitor, Dark Heresy, and Necromunda. If they are different the world will not cease.

DD, you are thinking of "Autoguns", not "Stubbers." In the Fluff, "Stubber" is a slang term for any weapon that fires slugs, or bullets, even Autoguns and Auto-Pistols are described as "Stubbers" from time to time. And the Heavy Stubber is more of a .30cal/7.62mm Machine Gun, the Storm Bolter has more Dakka (AP5 compared to AP6) than the HS. Heavy Bolter is the .50cal if I were to choose one.

Stubber as another heavy weapon in the squad sounds like a good idea, though making it Assault 2 R24 makes more sense and follows the line of the current special weapons. Sort of like how the Autogun is played off in Fire Warrior. I liked that idea actually, even if that game was a total write off in my opinion.

Wow, that's some tangled fluff.

so, "stub" is just a catch-all phrase that could really mean anything depending on the scale, what model it's on, time of day, distance of the nearest dog turd...


somebody needs to straighten out the official fluff...

Yes, a Stubber is a gun that fires bullets.

A Heavy Stubber is what we'd call a Light Machine Gun - man-portable, air-cooled. Like a MG34 / MB42.

A Heavy Bolter is a Heavy Machine Gun - tripod or vehicle mount, water cooled.

A .50 cal is pretty heavy for a LMG, but somewhat light for a HMG. But if you look at the Necro models, some of them are modeled with a .50 as their HS.

So, anyways...

Having a Heavy Stubber as a special weapon, R36" S4 Ap6 heavy 3 for 10 points or so.

Anyone want to playtest it?

there's definately a big gap in IG special weapons between plasmaguns and flamers. Just rip the heavy stubber off the tanks, works for me. 50 cal machine gun, goooo!


also, yes. Stubber=slang for anything that shoots solid projectiles, presumably all that pre-boltgun stuff (as those are explodey projectiles, not just slugs).

The Lost and the Damned traitors could take heavy stubbers as special weapons.

Big Mutants (ogryn sized guys) could use heavy stubbers as assault weapons. This probably gives you an idea of how large you would have to be to use a heavy 3 weapon as assault.

Sure Orks can do it, but thats at terrible accuracy, and they're quite a bit bigger than a guardsman.

yeah, I figured that.
That's why I was originaly thinking of downsizing it to a guardsman's level.
the other option was that one guardsman could carry and operate it as a special weapon, but not move and shoot, with the regular sized one.

@ Illeix : No, stubber is slang. Calling a Battlecannon firing a solid slug wouldn't make it a stubber, it's not a specific term, it is just used to describe things like pistols, SMGs, and rifles that aren't Lasguns, Bolters, Needlers, ect... Don't think so literally.

Skinnattittar wrote:Don't think so literally.

Sorry, it's a bad habit of mine. I drive my fiance nuts sometimes.

I have been complaining about IG not being able to take Heavy Stubbers as special weapons since I saw them in the LatD list.

HB/HS squads would be awesome.

Yeah, I see that point now. I'm just looking for some spare stubbers to convert, but alas, I have none.