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I am playing Chaos space marines and want to use the Land Raider to cart around my unit of Khorne Berzerkers.
If I take the LR as one of my heavy support choices (not as a dedicated transport) could I choose to deploy the unit of berzerkers inside the LR?

My understanding of this is as follows:

A dedicated transport can ONLY be deployed with the unit for which it was bought, but because I am taking the LR as a heavy choice I would be able to have ANY legal unit (chaos marines, noise marines, 1k sons, death guard, chosen, but NOT oblits, bikes, raptors etc..) be deployed inside of it.

What do you think??

Yes, you could deploy the Berzerkers in a Heavy Support Land Raider.

Thats right, its not a dedicated transport so theres no extra limits on what starts inside it.

There are no rules to support this however most people will allow it.

Drunkspleen wrote:There are no rules to support this however most people will allow it.

What do you mean that there are 'no rules' to support this? The rules for transport vehicles on page 66 of the Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rulebook support it quite thoroughly.

Ghaz wrote:The rules for transport vehicles on page 66 of the Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rulebook support it quite thoroughly.

Really?

Can you please post the rule that states that a unit can be deployed into a Transport?


Because as far as I've been able to find, we're given rules for embarking during the Movement phase, and for counting a unit as being embarked when kept in Reserve... but nothing at all that actually allows units to embark during regular Deployment.

Insaniak has hit it on the head, the rulebook is unfortunately never explicitly allows deployment in a transport, dedicated or otherwhise. They only disallow deployment in a dedicated transport belonging to another unit.

This rules system requires something to be explicitly allowed for you to do it, but in this case it seems such a blatant oversight on GWs part that nobody would really attempt to enforce it and deny you the right to deploy units within transports.

Indeed GW even gives deployment examples of units being inside vehicles.

Would it handicap you in any way if you cant deploy units in a transport on the table?

You´ve won the 1st turn = put your stuff on the table and in your first turn put the units inside the transport and move the vehicle where you want it.

You´ve lost the 1st turn. After your opponent did his stuff, put your units into the transport and move the vehicle where you want it.

I cant see a disadvantage for you in both examples. Maybe even a little advantage for you. Because if you deploy your units behind the transport they cant be shot at in first turn and just the LoS blocking vehicle is in danger. So no one should argue against employing units in vehicles on the table. Except you want to use dedicated transports for units without dedicated transport option. But that wouldnt matter because of those examples above.
But maybe I´ve overlooked sth so if there is a mistake in my thinking let me know.

DaDok: it's not exactly easy to hide all models behind their transports any more, unless they're all in Land Raiders. As soon as the enemy can draw a bead on any model's head, body, arm, etc, the whole squad can be shot. Then there are blast weapons to worry about (either scattering blasts or Ordnance blasts large enough to hit the models behind the targetted transport).

Being deployed inside the transport would give you at least a limited defence against those things, but you also risk taking casualties and/or being pinned if your transport gets destroyed.

*Shrugs* Looks like the advantages/disadvantages are about equal, to me.

don't forget that if you can't start in your transport you can't get out and shoot / assault (assuming open topped) on the first turn.

Normally this wouldn't mean much but there are times where it will make a huge difference.

DaDok wrote:Would it handicap you in any way if you cant deploy units in a transport on the table?

You´ve won the 1st turn = put your stuff on the table and in your first turn put the units inside the transport and move the vehicle where you want it.

You´ve lost the 1st turn. After your opponent did his stuff, put your units into the transport and move the vehicle where you want it.

I cant see a disadvantage for you in both examples. Maybe even a little advantage for you. Because if you deploy your units behind the transport they cant be shot at in first turn and just the LoS blocking vehicle is in danger. So no one should argue against employing units in vehicles on the table. Except you want to use dedicated transports for units without dedicated transport option. But that wouldnt matter because of those examples above.
But maybe I´ve overlooked sth so if there is a mistake in my thinking let me know.

Yes, it could handicap you. Example: Eldar Falcon. If you have to wait and get in then the Falcon cannot move over 12" during the movement phase.

yeah,
It can also disadvantage you if you want to rank up your tanks, with no gaps...

Panic...

My bad. Missed the 'deploy' reference in the original post.