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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
good thing being a hypocrite isn't a crime either then. I dont get the point here? yeah shes a hypocrite. so what? if people minded their own business a little more maybe these things wouldnt cause so many melt downs. it just shows that even those pushing the 'lockdown' agenda are happy to bend the 'rules' whilst following some good old common sense.

This feels pretty disingenuous because I simply don't think you're daft enough not to see why 'for everyone's safety it is absolutely essential that absolutely everyone ceases to do this thing I am doing' is problematic for a medical expert to say during a pandemic.

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No, I dont believe that. I believe adults are able to make their own decisions informed by the relevant information, and applying common sense. If someone wants to go to another property they own, why shouldnt they be allowed to? plenty of people who work away from home are communting each weekend. whats the difference? theyre not coming into contact with anyone, theyre following the rules on distancing.

But that doesn't really have anything to do with why she's been getting hammered all day. You may believe adults can take the advice and make informed decisions - her position is that there is no informed decision to be made. People should be following instructions to the letter. In response, nobody is saying 'why are you doing this appalling thing?' They're saying 'why should we take you seriously if you're doing it?' The concern (being vocalised across the press, at least) does not revolve around whether her advice is sound, it's that she is obviously not the appropriate person to deliver the advisory campaign she has been fronting.

Jerram wrote:



All that math you just did to come up with a lower number as max than already deployed capability....

You got a source for that? I didn't do very much math there, some simple multiplication was all.

You also have to be careful with how you're counting. Army field hospital units are a finite resource with a finite capacity and capability, they are being augmented by additional resources drawn from outside the military where they are being deployed. The Javits Center field hospital for example has about a 3000 bed capacity - but that didn't all come from the Army field hospital unit that is running it, the vast majority of the beds and the equipment used at the Javits center came from FEMA instead, and is being staffed by supplementary personnel pulled in from outside the field hospital units, including reservists and national guardsmen as well as civilian personnel. Theres like another 180 sites being setup nationwide by the army corps of engineers, predominantly using a mixture of FEMA, state, federal, civilian, and military equipment as triage facilties and are being staffed by a similar mixture of emergency first responders, retired healthcare pros, etc. I.E. not everything that you seem to be counting is actually the "military deployable" capability that you are so focused on, one can assume that EU member states and others would therefore have a similar disaster and reserve triage capability regardless of their smaller militaries. Also worth mentioning, per Esper, the military has already deployed or is in the process of delploying about half of its available active duty medical capability, and per his statements he does not believe that they can deploy much more than that as the remaining medical resources are needed to maintain warfighting readiness, as a result the military is creating additional ad-hoc teams and task forces that contain only 25% medical/healthcare pros being supplemented by personnel from across the various service branches who have basic lifesaving training and skills, or are military medical students, etc. in order to spread what resources are left around.


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Before you come back with something trite like "yeah, but that didn't happen" I can guarantee that something like that would happen on a daily basis if the whole country were moving about like normal, because that's the fething point of staying at home.

Yep, thats been a big factor in this in the US. The USNS Comfort was mostly empty for the first few days it was in NYC because it was expected to handle non-COVID related medical emergencies (i.e. car accidents and other injuries), but with everyone staying home there was a major downturn in such events which meant the space was available to handle other things.

So Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital. I think more as a precaution because the symptoms aren’t going away.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
So Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital. I think more as a precaution because the symptoms aren’t going away.

Fingers crossed its not serious. I'm no fan of Johnsons, but Dominic Raab being in charge? no.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
So Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital. I think more as a precaution because the symptoms aren’t going away.

In fairness to the man he's probably not just got Corona but a massive shedload of stress ontop of it; and stress can be a major factor in delaying or even preventing recovery.

Oof. I know my previous response to his diagnosis was "shame", but I don't want the dude to get hurt or die either, hope he makes a recovery.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Oof. I know my previous response to his diagnosis was "shame", but I don't want the dude to get hurt or die either, hope he makes a recovery.

If only because his second in command these days appears to be Dominic Raab. And, well, bugger that...

I really only know Raab as a name and not much else, so such concerns don't really matter to me. I dont really wish harm on anyone in general (well... theres a few...), I mostly just want karmic justice - yknow, a reality check/slap across the face that triggers a re-evaluation of beliefs and behaviors.

Lots of people here in America are ignoring anything logical and still living their lives like nothing is going on, and it's showing in the lack of effect on the growth curve.

I go shopping as little as possible, but still see old folks hanging out and chatting with no social distancing. Or people walking side by side as they shop together (when one family member could easily do it all) so you can barely squeeze by them in the aisle, and they give you a sneer if you ask them to give way. A couple of the houses across from me have tons of cars that come and go.

So now that wearing masks is "strongly advised and not required" here in the US, is ok for me to go out and about looking like Darth Vader wearing my P95 respirator that i have for my airbrush?
The respirator effectiveness goes like N95, R95, P95.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Lots of people here in America are ignoring anything logical and still living their lives like nothing is going on, and it's showing in the lack of effect on the growth curve.

I go shopping as little as possible, but still see old folks hanging out and chatting with no social distancing. Or people walking side by side as they shop together (when one family member could easily do it all) so you can barely squeeze by them in the aisle, and they give you a sneer if you ask them to give way. A couple of the houses across from me have tons of cars that come and go.

I see this same thing all the damn time, which is making me think that the death toll in the US may be over half a million by time it's done. All because Americans are too stubborn and think it'll never happen to them. Until it does. And I'm one of those "essential" types that has to work with the public during this thing...

My father-in-law sent me these screenshots the other day:

Flights over Europe:


Flights over US:

At least to me pics don't show

Try again, hadn't shared them properly

Some difference indeed. Even less of a surprise US is getting hit harder.

In more positive news Italy daily death cases are dropping. Spain also showing some positive signs I think. Finland new daily cases are dropping despite testing being increased.

WHO got some fire from the NZZ one of the biggest papers we have.
Mostly because it didn't criticise the chinese government in it's handling however it is assumed that has to do with the fact that china has built out it's position within the UNO.


In other news over 20'000k valid cases and easter looks nice weather wise....

I hope people stay local or at home.

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I used to quite enjoy that program on Netflix, Doomsday Peppers. Those guys must be so happy right now.

the WHO isnt going to criticise china, when its director general is essentially a paid patsy for the PRC.


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 r_squared wrote:
What affect, apart from the obvious, do you think this will have?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/trump-is-killing-his-own-supporters-coronavirus-covid-19

Will minds be changed? Or divides deepened? Will a reduced voting demographic lose their grip on the reigns of power?

I used to quite enjoy that program on Netflix, Doomsday Peppers. Those guys must be so happy right now.

I'd take anything the guardian say with a pinch of salt, they have a very overt agenda

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
What affect, apart from the obvious, do you think this will have?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/trump-is-killing-his-own-supporters-coronavirus-covid-19

Will minds be changed? Or divides deepened? Will a reduced voting demographic lose their grip on the reigns of power?

I used to quite enjoy that program on Netflix, Doomsday Peppers. Those guys must be so happy right now.

I'd take anything the guardian say with a pinch of salt, they have a very overt agenda

So what in the article do you think is not supported by facts?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
What affect, apart from the obvious, do you think this will have?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/trump-is-killing-his-own-supporters-coronavirus-covid-19

Will minds be changed? Or divides deepened? Will a reduced voting demographic lose their grip on the reigns of power?

I used to quite enjoy that program on Netflix, Doomsday Peppers. Those guys must be so happy right now.

I'd take anything the guardian say with a pinch of salt, they have a very overt agenda

So what in the article do you think is not supported by facts?

Well, most of it?

'Members of the national guard, emergency workers, rank-and-file Americans: all are exposed. Yet Trump appears incapable of emoting anything that comes close to heart-felt concern. Or just providing straight answers.'

and? its the exact same here, and everywhere thats in the same situation. The rest is just the usual bluster about things hes saying. it doesnt really add much in the way of evidence.

Not that I necessarily disagree with a lot of what's being said, but that is most definitely an opinion piece, not a journalistic article.
The entire piece is rife with what ifs, mays, may have tos, looks likes etc. with not a whole lot of numbers or sources.

TBF: The messeage Trumps sends in interviews and what his second in command in this case sends are quite abit diffrent.

And you can not ommit that he seems to lack the charisma for this situation. Führungsstärke comes to my mind.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
the WHO isnt going to criticise china, when its director general is essentially a paid patsy for the PRC.

 Ketara wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
the WHO isnt going to criticise china, when its director general is essentially a paid patsy for the PRC.

Spoiler:

In the wash up, after all this has ended there will need to be some hard questions. However, it does demonstrate, if true (I haven't seen the interview myself, or the figures), the importance of funding and it's affect on decision making.

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unlikely, in the US, which is much more divided down partisan lines than here in the UK, where the increasingly bitter political divide seems to have largely disappeared..or at least it seems that way due to recent circumstances.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
unlikely, in the US, which is much more divided down partisan lines than here in the UK, where the increasingly bitter political divide seems to have largely disappeared..or at least it seems that way due to recent circumstances.

It hasn't. The Covid coverage has just washed everything else off the media shows, sites and papers.

Nah, we still have a political (or maybe more accurate if it's called a media-driven??) mess slowing down response to the virus.

The latest claims (no specific party names to keep from being political) are that one of the groups (or sometimes even claimed by that blamed group to be the work of the OTHER group??) is artificially inflating the C19 death toll to get their interests forced across.

It's not as much political as it is anti-science. People claim it is false to consider every death of a person with C19 as a death from the virus, even if they died of something else.

It's utter stupidity. In the exact same way, there has never, ever been person who has died of AIDS, only from complications brought on by having AIDS (same as Leukemia). And yet anyone with common sense considers them as AIDS death statistics. Why not the same with this Coronavirus?

Two of the huge complications of C19 in my country is the utter distrust of science shown by a large portion of the populace (unfortunately driven by several key personalities in radio and tv media), and the intense pushback against anything we are "told to do" by authority figures, as if it somehow goes against our personal inherent freedoms. Which is insane, because sometimes both those views are held by the same people. They will eat up all the drivel being spouted by a non-expert media personality, but turn around and tell an expert, "don't try to tell me what I can and can't do- this is a free country!!!".

It's equal parts frigtening and frustrating to be stuck in the middle of it all, for sure.

In other virus crisis news, the residents of Robin Hood's Bay, Yorkshire, are being ordered to stay in their home by a Dalek roaming the streets.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
In other virus crisis news, the residents of Robin Hood's Bay, Yorkshire, are being ordered to stay in their home by a Dalek roaming the streets.

Lol I saw that video on FB but couldn't find it on youtube. Didn't know where it was though.

Very appropriate though


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
In other virus crisis news, the residents of Robin Hood's Bay, Yorkshire, are being ordered to stay in their home by a Dalek roaming the streets.

Lol I saw that video on FB but couldn't find it on youtube*. Didn't know where it was though.

Very appropriate though


It's also in Sandford as well






*and now it appears

I just saw this as well, and it's hilarious.