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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 15:10:17
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Fixture of Dakka
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All the talk about which special characters are game-breaking got me wondering, who are the worst special characters available?
My nomination is Captain Badrukk. For the price of a PK-warboss on a bike, (not including the overpriced unit of flash-gitz that you have to field), you get a nob with a gun that he is as likely to wound himself with as an enemy, an improved WS (but no worthwhile CC weapon) and a suit of armour. His sole redeeming feature appears to be that he's the only way the overpriced unit of flash gitz can get a bosspole or even decent leadership, but you could do that for half the cost simply by attaching an IC to the unit.
Any other nominations?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 15:27:33
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Major
far away from Battle Creek, Michigan
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Badrukk gets my vote too. Hurray there is a new mini for a gak character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 15:45:59
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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[DCM]
Sentient OverBear
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I'll have to put up a vote for Aun'Va. He'd get his butt kicked by an equivalent point amount of Kroot, and I just don't see how he's worth it for half the cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 15:49:17
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Fixture of Dakka
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Take a bow, Azrael. Yes, you may be a Chapter Master but your weapon skill is less than that of a lowly smurf captain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 16:55:06
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Sinewy Scourge
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Aun'Va the space pope. Most worthless character ever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 17:32:46
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 17:40:27
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Dakka Veteran
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badrukk does suck!
and azreal.. for a 225 point unit that can get IK'd from a krak missile is really poor
Aun'va is also poor, what about the deciever..
he is probebly goodish but nowhere near his points cost,
i've never seen anyone use him. Some of the Pheonix Lords are overpriced aswell.. i think,
and the dark angels librarian ezikiel also isn't that good at all!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 17:40:57
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 17:44:24
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Ruthless Rafkin
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Tycho- a captain in a CC army with no CC weapons. Oh, and a power only good in CC against Orks, who will whip his ass in CC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 17:45:57
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Krueghlla the Vile, solely because she's named after a freakin Disney character...WTF?!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 17:54:33
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Fireknife Shas'el
All over the U.S.
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@ Killkrazy, ^^^  priceless @ OP, Aun' Va, 205 pts for a character with no offensive capability. @ adielubbe-As to the deciver, He is worth every penny. His use just dropped off in 5th ed. The only way to kill him effectively and quickly is to be Eldar using their pathfinders. You try to lock him in hth he just floats away and uses that special ability to get across the board faster. The biggest knock against him is that the Necrons have to take as many warriors and other necron special rule models as possible.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/01/16 04:19:49
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 18:24:42
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Im going for either the space pope, or...
well ok, space pope is worse than any of the others I was thinking of.
other baddies (imo only)
-most of the pheonix lords
-the DE mandrake SC
-Ahriman (costs like a landraider, only usefull if you want to try and toss around 3 GoC's a turn)
-Ibrahm Gaunt
-the masque
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 18:27:44
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If we expand to APOC, I'd have to go with Angron. I mean, for a 10,000 year old Primarch who has mutated into a daemon prince, who took a century of Grey Knight terminators to banish back to the warp (and even then, for only like 100 years at that) - he's not all that. I think the FW Bloodthirsty costs more points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 18:28:04
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Ruthless Rafkin
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The masque isn't THAT bad. True, she's not an IC, but as part of a second wave, she's a charge guaranteer. She's better than Tycho
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-Loki- wrote:
40k is about slamming two slegdehammers together and hoping the other breaks first. Malifaux is about fighting with scalpels trying to hit select areas and hoping you connect more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 18:30:24
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Dakka Veteran
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Jokes Aside guys..
there are some horrible waste of points units in 40k
and a whole lot of them are SC's
just think of all the armies with bad SC's :
IG, DE, DA marines, some daemons.. some chaos..
Tau, Some Eldar, Some Ork..
theres just too many!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 18:32:39
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Dakka Veteran
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YA Tycho reeks.. and yarrick.. im sorry but its true
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 18:43:02
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Leutnant
Hiding in a dark alley with a sharp knife!
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As much as I like the model (especially the first one) and the credit he has to be due having been one of the first special characters for the 40k game Commisar Yarrick has to be on this list as well. A substandard close combat character in a shooting army? Why bother?
Not that I use special characters on a regular basis anyway...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 19:17:21
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide
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If you're going by name, probably Sly Marbo is the worst.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 19:21:26
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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hey now, you can have a lot of fun with Sly. true, he fits best in a senario designed for him, but so what?
wow.. Im actually unable to remember his rules, gotta go dig out my codex catachans when i get home
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 19:26:24
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Newbie Black Templar Neophyte
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bod da grot.
now seriously, its the space pope who gets my vote. he looks cool (going to the toilet in the heat of battle is cool) but sucks. his crap bodygaurd have been taken down by gaurdsmen before- i saw it with my own eyes- and when he dies he is likely to make all tau units run away. hurrah.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 19:40:55
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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This list wouldn't be complete without the ambiguously awful duo:
Lucius the Eternal (A wimpy combat character with no mobility who is arbitrarily expensive and has no lash, despite being the Slaanesh special character)
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Fabius Bile (Make the substandard troop choices almost as good and almost as expensive as the real troop choices, oh and lose a lash while doing so, replacing it with a trash combat character)
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All in all, fact is that Warhammer 40K has never been as balanced as it is now, and codex releases have never been as interesting as they are now (new units and vehicles and tons of new special rules/strategies each release -- not just the same old crap with a few changes in statlines and points costs).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 19:42:31
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wait a sec, we are missing a gold mine here. Fantasy has much worse special characters than 40k. Settra? Greasus Goldtooth anyone?
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All in all, fact is that Warhammer 40K has never been as balanced as it is now, and codex releases have never been as interesting as they are now (new units and vehicles and tons of new special rules/strategies each release -- not just the same old crap with a few changes in statlines and points costs).
-Therion
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New Codexia's Finest Hour - my fluff about the change between codexes, roughly novel length. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 19:44:30
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.
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Just to add something I am not big on Baharroth. In fact, he is pretty much absolutely useless. Maybe if he had ... anything ... or was about 125 points. Unless you really, really, really like Swooping Hawks of course.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 20:24:54
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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40kenthusiast wrote:This list wouldn't be complete without the ambiguously awful duo:
Lucius the Eternal (A wimpy combat character with no mobility who is arbitrarily expensive and has no lash, despite being the Slaanesh special character)
wait, lucius has lash, dosent he? I am at work, and cannot check my codex, but I am fairly sure he does. also, I think his AoSS is quite brutal in the right situation, and on a good day can let him solo large units.
40kenthusiast wrote:Fabius Bile (Make the substandard troop choices almost as good and almost as expensive as the real troop choices, oh and lose a lash while doing so, replacing it with a trash combat character)
chaos has more to offer than lash, and enhanced warriors kick ass! bile suffers from the lack of a power weapon, but he cannot be good at everything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 22:33:01
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Calculating Commissar
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It's a shame that Doomrider is no longer in the codex. Because he's a lot worse than most of these.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/15 23:33:48
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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focusedfire wrote:@ adielubbe-As to the deciver, He is worth every penny. His use just dropped off in 5th ed. The only way to kill him effictively and quickly is to be Eldar using their pathfinders. You try to lock him in hth he just floats away and uses that special ability to get across the board faster.
The biggest knock against him is that the Necrons have to take as many warriors and other necron special rule models as possible.
Don't forget that he can make Fearless units fear him so hard that they die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/18 07:54:20
Subject: Re:Worst Special Characters
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Fabius Bile sucks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/18 08:27:50
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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I'm gonna have to go with Space Pope
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/18 09:24:19
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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What exactly does the Space Pope do to earn such scorn?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/18 09:48:05
Subject: Worst Special Characters
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Big props for riding the Space Thunderbox into battle, but it's a very expensive box set.
I don't remember his special rules in details but they're nothing great. Something like a morale boost for everyone, compensated by a morale collapse when he dies.
Invuln saves (4+?) for him and his two bodyguards.
His bodyguards are better than ordinary Tau at H2H but still not that good. They look ridiculous and are utterly unfluffy given the whole Tau no-H2H ethos, and there aren't enough of them to make up a useful assault unit.
High points cost.
Aun'shi's special rule was a bonus in H2H too, which was again stupid, but at least his model was nice and could be used as a regular Ethereal.
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