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Sasori wrote:Depending on the Points cost, you can take a Regular Overlord with a Warscythe, Phase shifter, and Rez orb.

That would be quite the punch, and I think quite superior to the Destroyer lord, who can't take the 3++.

Yah i think the lord with a rez orb is almost a must I mean they can do it themselves fine but i think why not help them stay up and pack a lil more punch of cousre not sure of the point cost of all that but in the end my rez orbs will probably go with high cost units even tho it is equally important to keep scoring troops alive but i guess i would hope thats what the lychgaurd were doing anyways (I hope)

It would be neat if the rez orb helped any friendly units locked in the same CC as long as within 6 inchs but im sure thats not in the cards

Sabet wrote:So they will definitely be announced 29th??? I'll be very sad if they don't. I'm sad enough their not being announced tomorrow :(

I have to say, I really hope GW knows what they are doing with not allowing pre-orders until the saturday before the release. They won't get them shipped out that day and there is no shipping sunday. So they won't even be shipping out until monday. And that is just when they give it to the delivery service. that gives the actual shipping company tuesday-saturday to get it to you. And I don't believe GW pays extra for saturday delivery. I expect a lot of people who pre order to be very disappointed when their order doesn't come until the following monday. I am highly likely to just go into my LGS instead so that I can get it and not pay shipping for a later delivery.

IcedAnimals wrote:

Sabet wrote:So they will definitely be announced 29th??? I'll be very sad if they don't. I'm sad enough their not being announced tomorrow :(

I have to say, I really hope GW knows what they are doing with not allowing pre-orders until the saturday before the release. They won't get them shipped out that day and there is no shipping sunday. So they won't even be shipping out until monday. And that is just when they give it to the delivery service. that gives the actual shipping company tuesday-saturday to get it to you. And I don't believe GW pays extra for saturday delivery. I expect a lot of people who pre order to be very disappointed when their order doesn't come until the following monday. I am highly likely to just go into my LGS instead so that I can get it and not pay shipping for a later delivery.

GW doing something that makes no sense? Heresy!

bluebomber wrote:

Sasori wrote:Depending on the Points cost, you can take a Regular Overlord with a Warscythe, Phase shifter, and Rez orb.

That would be quite the punch, and I think quite superior to the Destroyer lord, who can't take the 3++.

Yah i think the lord with a rez orb is almost a must I mean they can do it themselves fine but i think why not help them stay up and pack a lil more punch of cousre not sure of the point cost of all that but in the end my rez orbs will probably go with high cost units even tho it is equally important to keep scoring troops alive but i guess i would hope thats what the lychgaurd were doing anyways (I hope)

It would be neat if the rez orb helped any friendly units locked in the same CC as long as within 6 inchs but im sure thats not in the cards

Yak has already specified that the Rez orb only affects the unit it is attached to.

The last few sets of pre-orders explicitly stated they will not be shipped until the monday FOLLOWING release date. The only way to guarantee getting pre-orders on release day is to get them in store.

IcedAnimals wrote:

Sabet wrote:So they will definitely be announced 29th??? I'll be very sad if they don't. I'm sad enough their not being announced tomorrow :(

I have to say, I really hope GW knows what they are doing with not allowing pre-orders until the saturday before the release. They won't get them shipped out that day and there is no shipping sunday. So they won't even be shipping out until monday. And that is just when they give it to the delivery service. that gives the actual shipping company tuesday-saturday to get it to you. And I don't believe GW pays extra for saturday delivery. I expect a lot of people who pre order to be very disappointed when their order doesn't come until the following monday. I am highly likely to just go into my LGS instead so that I can get it and not pay shipping for a later delivery.

If you Pre-order something to be delivered to your house, it will not arrive until the week after release. They have been quite clear on this, and they want you to have it delivered to the store where it will be available to collect on release day. This way they get you into the store and are more likely to spend more money while you're there.

You've just proved that they are right by saying that you may just go to the store on release day, as this is exactly what they want you to do!

OK, so shopping list for the first pre-orders...


Codex (duh)
Lychguard/Praetorian kit
Ghost/Doomsday Ark (maybe 2 for one of each)

Add that to my existing army and i should be good for the first few games (will use my Pariah models as Crypteks to start with i think).

Not many Immortals but i do have a core of 60 warriors which i can now actually afford to field!!!

I already have 2 monoliths so i might buy 1 night/Doom scythe when they are released

I need some ideas on what to get.

I have atm:
Current Battleforce
Necron Lord w/ rez orb.

Thinking about getting:
10 lychguard
10 praetorians
1 special character
Other stuff?

Praxiss wrote:OK, so shopping list for the first pre-orders...


Codex (duh)
Lychguard/Praetorian kit
Ghost/Doomsday Ark (maybe 2 for one of each)

Add that to my existing army and i should be good for the first few games (will use my Pariah models as Crypteks to start with i think).

Not many Immortals but i do have a core of 60 warriors which i can now actually afford to field!!!

I already have 2 monoliths so i might buy 1 night/Doom scythe when they are released

You pretty much nailed it for me although i want one of the ICs i just hope i have the cash to spare

I have a half decent army already with some other bits on the way i just got through Swap Shop. Once it all arrives i will have:

D.Lord with Warsythe
Foot Lord
Deceiver
Nightbringer
60 warriors
4 Immortals
3 Pariahs (Crypteks)
3 Wraiths
8 Destroyers (+1 heavy Destroyer)
16 Scarab Swarms
1 Tomb Spider
2 Monoliths

I will try playing my Foot Lord as different special characters before i make a firm decsion on which one to get. But so far i am liking the StormLord (shocker!). Also favouring Lychguard over the Praetorians. For some reason i just dont tend to do very well with Jump infantry, plus i like the look of the shields.

The Decapitator wrote:

IcedAnimals wrote:

Sabet wrote:So they will definitely be announced 29th??? I'll be very sad if they don't. I'm sad enough their not being announced tomorrow :(

I have to say, I really hope GW knows what they are doing with not allowing pre-orders until the saturday before the release. They won't get them shipped out that day and there is no shipping sunday. So they won't even be shipping out until monday. And that is just when they give it to the delivery service. that gives the actual shipping company tuesday-saturday to get it to you. And I don't believe GW pays extra for saturday delivery. I expect a lot of people who pre order to be very disappointed when their order doesn't come until the following monday. I am highly likely to just go into my LGS instead so that I can get it and not pay shipping for a later delivery.

If you Pre-order something to be delivered to your house, it will not arrive until the week after release. They have been quite clear on this, and they want you to have it delivered to the store where it will be available to collect on release day. This way they get you into the store and are more likely to spend more money while you're there.

You've just proved that they are right by saying that you may just go to the store on release day, as this is exactly what they want you to do!

Well that is a horrible way of doing business. Looks like GW loses out as I will be pre ordering elsewhere(and likely at discount). And since I don't have a GW in about 700 miles from my house my LGS won't be one. oh well this thread isn't about terrible GW policies. My shopping list for pre orders

Codex
Lychguard
Immortals.
Overlord

I only have my single group of 8 immortals that I ran in my list so upgrading it to a 10 man squad and having the 3 bodies+bits from the two kits should give me enough to work out some royal guard. I love the new overlord, he looks so good he could very well be a special character. And then I can get my unit of lychguard up and running.

From there I will decide if I am going mechanized or not. If so then at the toward of the month after I have played my heart out of skyrim I will start picking up some vehicles.

IcedAnimal, you aren't the primary demographic for them in that regard. Fact is, the LGS has to purchase the stuff from GW anyway, so they don't lose all that much in that regard.

They have other merchandise to push (Dreadfleet and now the paint set), so they can hold off on the army which will have eventual purchases regardless if they're spur of the moment.

So cool the jets on calling things "terrible" policies and being hyper critical.

I hear you. This realease does somwhat interrupt my planned month of Battlefield 3. Lol.

Blink wrote:IcedAnimal, you aren't the primary demographic for them in that regard. Fact is, the LGS has to purchase the stuff from GW anyway, so they don't lose all that much in that regard.

They have other merchandise to push (Dreadfleet and now the paint set), so they can hold off on the army which will have eventual purchases regardless if they're spur of the moment.

So cool the jets on calling things "terrible" policies and being hyper critical.

Maybe you missed out on something but everyone is pretty pissed at GW for this. Do you know a single company in existence that wont even say a word about a release two weeks away? Its bad publicity for GW and they are losing customers because of it. Pushing dreadfleet and a 300 dollar paint set? I bet there are huge markets for those. Before you decide to put your opinion on everybody else maybe you should read all the posts in the thread you are commenting in. Its people that are willing to sit back and take it that let GW charge 120 dollars for 5 knights.

Codex
Stormlord (already have two lords)
Lycheguard
Immortals
maybe the barge.

I probably won't buy any models until I have done a good review of the Codex, but here is what I think my list will end up

1 Stormlord
1 Overlord, The model looks too fantastic to pass up.
Maybe Trazyn.

2 Boxes of Lychguard/Praetorians. 5 Will likely be converted to Lords/Crypteks. Then I have a Ton of bits to mess with.
1 Command Barge, MAYBE 2 if the points cost is fair. Will be made into command Barges.

4 of the Ark Kits. 2 for Doomsday, and 2 for Ghost Arks. I have a feeling I'll be using at least 2 Ghost Arks, and I'd really like to field 2 Doomsday Cannons.

The I'll finish up with boxes of immortals. I'm quite happy to be rid of my metal Immortals, with the new plastic ones.

Of course this is speculation on my part. I'll have the codex long before I purchase any units.

I agree, im not buying a single model until I write up myself an evil, evil list.

I like the Praetorian fluff, but they're the type of unit I never field :(
Once I pay 40 points for a model, I want more than a single wound and no invulnerable save. Especially since with the Necrons, you can have these things for roughly the same price.

I'm pretty sure they are 40pts each with the Invo.

Isn't that the LychGuard (who only get the invul save if you give them the shield).


Also, doesn't the new WBB essentially work the same way as a 5++? You just dont get it is the unit is wiped out or fallign back?

JohnnoM wrote:I'm pretty sure they are 40pts each with the Invo.

It doesn't look like the Praetorians have an Invul save.

though the pistol+CC wep gave them invo?


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my mistake, they dont have invo saves.

I dont think thsi has been asked yet...

Do Scrabas get Entropic Strike included in their price (which i'm guessing will remain around the 12 point mark?) or do you have to pay extra like you did with Disruption Fields?

i think it's safe to say that Scarabs will be my new go-to unit. How to kill my friends annoying Ragnar Blackmain model? Whack it with 40 attacks, if he failes even 1 armour save his armour gets eaten!

Praxiss wrote:Isn't that the LychGuard (who only get the invul save if you give them the shield).


Also, doesn't the new WBB essentially work the same way as a 5++? You just dont get it is the unit is wiped out or fallign back?

From what I understand, it is pretty much an Invul save. You make it at the end of every phase too, so in that way it's also a lot better than WBB. It's a lot harder to wipe out a unit, in a single phase. I Could be wrong, but I think they still get it as long as they are falling back and Don't get swept.

if it is an invo, then do they get it and an invo?

My shopping list looks something like this:

CODEX! *derp*
1 Overlord
1 SC (haven't decided which yet, probably "Mind-taker" though)
2 Ghost Arks
3 Boxes of Lychguard (for a unit of 10 + bitz for Crypteks)
2 boxes of Immortals (Tesla weaponry all the way, I love having a unit using guns named after someone portrayed by David Bowie)
Umm...there will be more, but that's all I can think of for now. Probably a command barge or two.

JohnnoM wrote:if it is an invo, then do they get it and an invo?

It's not an Invul save, but you can take it against almost everything, which is why people are comparing it to an Invul save. I also see no reason why you couldn't take an Invul save, and the Protocol since a model has to be removed as a casualty before you take the Protocol save.

My initial shopping list is simple:

- Codex (!!!)
- Overlord
- 1 box of Immortals (Deathmarks bits will make Deathmarks out of many Warrior bodies I have left)
- 1 box of Pretorians (Lychguard /w Shields will be made in same manner as above)

Rest will have to wait until I have full grasp of new rules / units etc...

dont think you get deathmarks with the immortals?

Reanimation Protocols (new WBB) seems to be an invul save of 5++, but as it is not ACTUALLY a "proper" invul save i see no reason why a Lord for example could have a 3++ (from Phase Shifter i think?), fail that and then (assumign the hit killed him or took his last wound) at the end of the phase roll for a 5+ to get back up with 1 wound.


So a Lord could be, i believe T5 S5, with a 3+/3++/5++ save !!!! muwhahahahahahaha.

If it helps, try thinking of it is an uber version of FNP on a 5+.