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Vermillion wrote:The biggest part to irk me has not been talk of OTT abilities but the direction the fluff is going. The C'tan got killed? By their slaves... Uh huh...
Here is a better idea Mr. Ward they just decided to lay low, split power off to infuse many minions ranks instead of appearing in one place at a time.
No charge, just give me credit in the codex...

Hey, I though the long rumour is that C'tan were too powerful for the regular game and their models look too puny. Forgeworld were to have a crack at making some super ones.

I may have missed it, but when is the release date on the codex?

Xca|iber wrote:
Things I didn't like:
-No green rods. (Potential fix: Most of the guns look like they could still fit the green rods, with a bit of work anyway.)
-Vehicles have drivers (Potential fix: Cut off the driver's legs/chair and make the torso part of the vehicle, like a super-destroyer body.)
-The elites (lychguard, praetorians) seem a bit goofy. (Potential fix: Cut off headdresses/mechano-tabards and don't paint so much gold onto them.)
-Praetorian "backpacks" look really out of place. Not totally unfixable though.
-Wrist-blasters. I really do not like such things on anything but Ad-Mech and Grey Knight forces. (Potential fix: Instead, replace whole arm with cut down Necron Warrior blaster at elbow.)
-Flayed Ones. I can't even propose a fix for these. They just look plain awkward. The old-style flayed ones were much more terrifying and grisly.

I'm not going to comment on rules until I see a leaked 'dex.

/2cents

I agree.

I also don't like the transport much. I am thinking I might try to use something to make a green portal or something cool out of that transport. But the guys on the top annoy me. Necrons have very good teleporters and use them a lot. So a transporter seems strange. (I know that other armies have teleporters, but they aren't that reliable and the Crons are supposed to be much more advanced.

I was already thinking about getting rid of the pilots on the vehicles like you suggest. I'll have to figure something out. And the loss of the rods will make my army look strange unless they are incorporated somehow. However, since it looks like the Immortals (and I assume Warriors) have different types of weapons, I will be able to buy a set and kit them out differently since I already have the "standard" warriors and Immortals.

If the Flayed ones have awesome rules, then I will be very ticked off. I have a feeling that Ebay Flayed ones prices are going up as we speak. (I am about to look some up actually.) Those look horrible!

I sense a new op army. The vehicles kind of leave something to desire. Especially the ghost ark and the doomsday ark. Its hard not to look at the doomsday ark and think "Isn't that just the transport upside down?"

I can see why some people might not be fans. If you got into Necrons because of their boring and sterile model line then I get being a little upset with the concept and to each their own.

Regarding the "TK's in Space" issue people have they were already on this track. And as for the fluff change on the C'Tan I love it and it makes sense, to me at least. We already know the blackstone fortress's kill C'tan but hasn't it always looked a little more Necrony than Eldar? Those forts make way more sense now as giant weapons for the old Necrons to break the C'Tan.

For the models:

-Love the Vehicles. Only one I'm not 100% sold on is the lord transport one.
-Immortals and Variants are sweet!
-I love the Lych Guard if you clean off the head flair which will be super easy.
-The Praetorians and Triarchs are great. I'm assuming their back thing is their teleporter for being jump infantry which is sweet.

The only thing I don't like is the new Flayed Ones.....I really hate the dragging portions of the body with them but otherwise this range is total win. I'm beyond stoked to start collecting and my FLGS is probably already rubbing his hands in glee

Haven't a clue, would be nice however if there the whole master plan as the necrons awaken properly though . The models did suck though, really never took to them, the nightbringer was just too... cliched, even for a nicked piece of imagary
Now I feel I may need some more old scarabs!

headrattle wrote:If the Flayed ones have awesome rules, then I will be very ticked off. I have a feeling that Ebay Flayed ones prices are going up as we speak. (I am about to look some up actually.) Those look horrible!

Why have they resculpted them? Just for the hell of it because of a new release? Or is it because the old ones didn't work well with the finecost? They have much shorter thicker fingers on these new ones. So much for the advancement that is finecost.


Perhaps the fact they are dropping the green rods from the newer figures means they are withdrawing them from the range in general. Will the older plastic kits continue to be supplied with them as clear rods or will they go to regular plastic?


Oh guess what won the "Armies on Parade" this year? Necrons. Yes it's a fine model but it has been observed by some in the past that the latest models do better at Gamesday...

At first I liked the ghost barge, until I realized I have to paint 10 extra warriors which might be ok except that they will look ridiculous once the transport unloads and they are still there... unless it spawns more like a tervigon?

I wish they had gone for more a samurai look in the entire range like the one overlord and the size of the cannon on the support chariot is a little silly but in general I like the troops.

I'm hoping no green rods is simply them not haivng them in the photos and having them still in the box.

The Unforgiven Saint wrote:I may have missed it, but when is the release date on the codex?

No idea

Bulkoth wrote:At first I liked the ghost barge, until I realized I have to paint 10 extra warriors which might be ok except that they will look ridiculous once the transport unloads and they are still there... unless it spawns more like a tervigon?

I wish they had gone for more a samurai look in the entire range like the one overlord and the size of the cannon on the support chariot is a little silly but in general I like the troops.

I'm hoping no green rods is simply them not haivng them in the photos and having them still in the box.

If you make the other model I assume you can keep all the standing necrons with their arms folded separately. Sme conversion potential there methinks.

@KrootHawk "DOH!"

Any one else confused why the Immortal's "Guass Blaster" is supposedly the one that doesnt look like the current gauss blaster?

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Bulkoth wrote:At first I liked the ghost barge, until I realized I have to paint 10 extra warriors which might be ok except that they will look ridiculous once the transport unloads and they are still there... unless it spawns more like a tervigon?

I wish they had gone for more a samurai look in the entire range like the one overlord and the size of the cannon on the support chariot is a little silly but in general I like the troops.

I'm hoping no green rods is simply them not haivng them in the photos and having them still in the box.

If you make the other model I assume you can keep all the standing necrons with their arms folded separately. Sme conversion potential there methinks.

Who says you have to even put them in?

Kevin949 wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Bulkoth wrote:At first I liked the ghost barge, until I realized I have to paint 10 extra warriors which might be ok except that they will look ridiculous once the transport unloads and they are still there... unless it spawns more like a tervigon?

I wish they had gone for more a samurai look in the entire range like the one overlord and the size of the cannon on the support chariot is a little silly but in general I like the troops.

I'm hoping no green rods is simply them not haivng them in the photos and having them still in the box.

If you make the other model I assume you can keep all the standing necrons with their arms folded separately. Sme conversion potential there methinks.

Who says you have to even put them in?

That's what I mean, the other model doesn't use them so you have a heap of necrons going spare. I suppose you could leave them out of the transport, but it might look a bit bare.

Bulkoth wrote:Any one else confused why the Immortal's "Guass Blaster" is supposedly the one that doesnt look like the current gauss blaster?

Nope, I'm not. I read the post.

Bulkoth wrote:Any one else confused why the Immortal's "Guass Blaster" is supposedly the one that doesnt look like the current gauss blaster?

At the top of the picture there is a note saying that it is in fact another weapon option. That page in BoW was referring to immortal above the special ones.

The 'unknown' weapon choice could be the fabled "Tesla Lasher"

So...the models look great. Except the flayed ones. God, those look awful. I'm not too big on the other models being able to switch from a warscythe to a huge sword and even bigger shield. Mat's obvious borrowing of SM items is very disturbing. Oh well. Most looks great, just a few gripes.

Since I already gave my opinion on the barges, I'll skip those and go onto the others:

Ghost Ark - Uh oh! Look at that thing from the front! Looks like Necrons are no longer BFFs with the Blood Angels. Now it's the Ultramarines' turn to spend lazy afternoons looking up at clouds with their new Necron buddies!

Just kidding. I don't mind this at all. What I like best is that I could use the the arm-crossed guys to fix the barge pilots. I just hope there's an alternate kit that doesn't use those torsos....

Doomsday Ark - ...you can. And it looks terrible. Oh dear. Whell, looks like I'd need a plan B. The big problem with this is it's so visually confusing. With the ghost ark the upward spines match the orientation of the warriors inside so you have visual repetition. In the Doomsday ark you lose that it just looks like a mess. Plus all those chibi-necron arms on the sides holding guns don't help. on the Ghost Ark they hang low where you don't look at them so much and look like oars. On the Doomsday ark they're up high and I just can't stop looking at them. Meanwhile, the centerpiece of the Doomsday ark is I presume the giant gun, but it's hidden by so much of the craft it gets lost. I very much get the sense that someone in corporate decided this had to be two kits to get twice the sales, and the design team half-assed this version just to get it out of the way.

Imotekh the Stormlord - What a silly headdress. I hope that doesn't become some kind of theme.

Trazyn the Infinite... - Not bad, but his cloak kinda makes him look like a block. But not bad. I could live with this.

Necron Overlord - Oh. So the headdresses are a theme. Someone at the studio thought that was a good idea, did they? Every time I look at those things I can't help but imagine a maiko hairdo hiding behind it. And then I think of a trio of Necron overlords singing "Three little maids from school".

Far too beefy. A necron Overlord should be skeletal and spindly, like their power comes from some eldritch thing I could never understand. These guys look like they just want to HULK SMASH the enemy.

Deathmarks - I'm not super keen on the head, but it will do. Love the gun. Well done. Next.

Lychguard with Warscythes - Oh. Headdresses again. "...filled to the brim with girlish glee..."

Actually, I think if those things were cut off this would make a quite serviceable unit.

Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields - Schwing! Now these I really like. The stupid headdresses need to go of course, but I'm loving the shields.

Triarch Praetorians with Rods of the Covenant - Distilled Awesome.

Particle Blasters & Void Blades - Not such a fan of these. They look like they belong in an anime video game. The guns look oddly puny (at least for what we expect from a warhammer model) and the blades just look silly.

New Immortals with Gauss Blasters - Now these guys should be beefy. And they are. Pretty much what I think everyone wants. Good job.

and some other weapon choice - Ooh, these guns look verah verah nice.

New Flayed Ones - <sigh> Well, let's face it, GW had to absolutely drop the ball on one unit, and best that they did it on the unit that has the most ridiculous concept in the entire army. These guys don't look like they flayed anyone. They look like they got a giant wad of silly putty dropped on them and then dragged some screaming bloody torso with them for absolutely no reason. Total Fail.

Oh the whole a pretty reasonable showing here, GW. You almost, almost made Necrons a compelling army for me. And I HATED them when they first came out. So well done. There is still room to do better. The necron lords are problematic because most of them look like they raided the Tau Ethereals' jewelry boxes before heading out for a night on the town, the Flayed Ones are rubbish and the doomsday ark is visually a mess. But you've got several strong elite units to anchor a line. That's what we need more of from you.

I have to disagree with you on the headdresses, Johira.

People seem to forget that at one point...Necrons did have headdresses.


I'll take the newer ones which really don't detract too much from the model over that garbage, to be honest.

My one beef with what we've seen so far is just the fact that they still insist on that shiny metallic color. It would have looked so much better with a darker metal or a ceramic look, I think.

I need more ghost arks for my assault on naboo

If the flayed ones are the "drop the ball" unit, then I can't wait to see the rest. Automatic win for what hasn't been shown, right? *Crosses fingers*

Personally, I like all the changes (sans flayed ones). The flying disc is a little silly but at least it's different. All the changes bring a much needed distinction to the necron army. I liked the 3rd ED models too, don't get me wrong, but nothing says "we have nothing new" like identical models with slightly different hands or guns.

Kanluwen wrote:I have to disagree with you on the headdresses, Johira.

People seem to forget that at one point...Necrons did have headdresses

Yes, but that was just the one figure and it looked dumb then.


Also, the new flayed ones aren't very good at flaying, some of them are still dragging around half a carcass. Maybe someone needs to explain what being flayed means to GW. I don't really understand the need to resculpt the flayed ones, or why they think these are an improvement worth releasing in place of the old ones.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I have to disagree with you on the headdresses, Johira.

People seem to forget that at one point...Necrons did have headdresses

Yes, but that was just the one figure and it looked dumb then.


Also, the new flayed ones aren't very good at flaying, some of them are still dragging around half a carcass. Maybe someone needs to explain what being flayed means to GW. I don't really understand the need to resculpt the flayed ones, or why they think these are an improvement worth releasing in place of the old ones.

Weren't the now OOP flayed ones actually fairly slender in build and also the claws especially thin? Perhaps these fine details equated into problems for converting into their resin. If it did it would only have fuelled the nerd rage on finecast.

At the very least the Flayed ones will provide some interesting bits for a diorama with alot of misfortunate guardsmen.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I have to disagree with you on the headdresses, Johira.

People seem to forget that at one point...Necrons did have headdresses

Yes, but that was just the one figure and it looked dumb then.

Point was that headdresses can be executed well or poorly.

In my own personal opinion: the new ones have it executed well. If the color of the headdress were blended into the 'skull', I think it would go a long way to balancing out the model as a whole.

Also, the new flayed ones aren't very good at flaying, some of them are still dragging around half a carcass. Maybe someone needs to explain what being flayed means to GW. I don't really understand the need to resculpt the flayed ones, or why they think these are an improvement worth releasing in place of the old ones.

I said in one of the other threads that it might be a case of the "half a carcass" still being alive. Flayed Ones are supposed to be "terror" troops and/or Necrontyr who've gone completely, utterly insane.

One of them has what looks like a 'generator' on its back, so maybe it's some kind of stasis generator that we'll see described in fluff as being used to 'preserve' the victims in a state of "undeath" for a short time?

Really nothing that is exciting me enough to bring out my old skool Necron Warrior out of its display case.

The cost of starting a new army is going to be a wee bit on the expensive side, since I believe that the more important MtG style of models that are needed to play in a competitive manner will be in Finecast. Since I also own a Tomb King's army this new codex reminds me of why it might be used in a similar fashion.

Hmmm.

I don't like the Space Death Robot Rowboat. I can see why necrons need the mobility and protection offered by transports, but I'd almost rather see that given by... teleporting and force fields, or something, rather than a SDRR.

I don't totally hate the Space Death Robot Croissant, but I dislike the pilots.

Most of the new minis are OK, but they don't make me think "I MUST BUY", like the Dark Eldar did. I think I'm a bit spoiled by Infinity. :( I used to like the look of the Necrons, but most of the new minis just don't look that much better-sculpted than the old ones -- which I guess is good for consistency's sake, but, well, maybe I've been spoiled by Infinity and their sexy robots, and run-of-the-mill GW minis just look run-of-the-mill now.

Deathmarks look good. Immortals look all right. Lyches too, but I really don't like the power weapon and shield combo -- I'd rather see them with some kind of energy field than an actual physical shield.

Flayed ones are rubbish. I want something that will mail Caiaphas Cain quail with terror, not LOL.I want Space Death Robot Hannibal Lecter and his buddy Space Death Robot Patrick Bateman, not "I made you a corpse but I eated half of it and putted the other half on my back for a trophy."

Vermillion wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I have to disagree with you on the headdresses, Johira.

People seem to forget that at one point...Necrons did have headdresses

Yes, but that was just the one figure and it looked dumb then.


Also, the new flayed ones aren't very good at flaying, some of them are still dragging around half a carcass. Maybe someone needs to explain what being flayed means to GW. I don't really understand the need to resculpt the flayed ones, or why they think these are an improvement worth releasing in place of the old ones.

Weren't the now OOP flayed ones actually fairly slender in build and also the claws especially thin? Perhaps these fine details equated into problems for converting into their resin. If it did it would only have fuelled the nerd rage on finecast.

Note also the ways the claws are not completely separate but appear joined partly down their length in several images particularly the middle one. That and the general thickness of the legs. Hmmm, another win for finecost.

Kanluwen wrote:One of them has what looks like a 'generator' on its back, so maybe it's some kind of stasis generator that we'll see described in fluff as being used to 'preserve' the victims in a state of "undeath" for a short time?

One appears to be wearing a body on his head, the other dragging it about. The way these have been painted if pretty silly too. Where's the blood? The half a carcass is bloody, sure, but the rest of the skin all over the figure is completely clean and smooth, looks like tan coloured cloth more than flayed skin. Odd.

The blood and overall painting of the Flayed Ones is something I was complaining about whilst talking with Medium of Death about the Flayed Ones.

If I cut my finger, I get blood all over the dang place. These guys have ripped a living being apart, and are wearing the skin as a cape and somehow have no blood at all on them.

There's also the fact that it's a "light" metallic with a "light" flesh tone--not very good contrast. Compare it to Mengil's Manhide Manflayers--dark armor/metallic bits and cloth--light flesh tone of the flayed skins.