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Goddammit! Now I'm never gonna finish my Blood Axes...

Definitely thinking about picking some Necrons up now - always liked the idea of them, but never really dug the models.


This changes things.

I'm not sorry to see the glow rods go. Hopefully the lime green jewel on the monolith is gone as well.

I never was a fan of bitz that have to be added after painting or of mixing media like that.

Some people are posting they don't like it cause it's "Tomb Kings in Space", but I find Tomb Kings fascinating so I don't care about that.

1.) I love the sniper units. I love the single eye. I miss the green rods though.

2.) The Overlord has a terrific bulk to it. I don't like whatever it is he's holding, though (beads?). Also not crazy about the loincloths\tabards. Some of the crown\halos are nice and some aren't, but I bet there are ton in the box to pick the ones I like from.

3.) Also love the lychguard in shape and pose with the glaives. Some of the loincloths, again, I like and others I don't. The Glaives are partially terrific, but I'm going to cut off that jutting L part. The shields are very much eh, though. Praetorians are yeaaaah with the 2 handers, less so with the little spacegun and weird swords.

4.) I'm mixed on the Immortals. I love the lines going to the eyes. I love that it mostly looks the same. I miss the green rods though and wonder if I can roll my own. I may just stick with my converted warriors unless the "other" weapon turns out to be great (or I need more then 11 immortals)

5.) Super ehhh on the flayed ones. I don't like how scroll-y the skin looks, or the one with the skulls (skullz!). Hate the scorpion pincers. Will have to see what hand options are in the box.

6.) Kinda iffy on the transports. The models are OK but I don't think Necrons should have transports. I think they should teleport. The floating command thing is ok with me both conceptually and in appearance.

kitch102 wrote:

whigwam wrote:I'm a bit confused why so many are scandalized by similarities between the Necrons and Tomb Kings. Necrons have always had an unambiguously Egyptian style to them. They have always been yet another variation of the all-too-familiar "living dead". Is the objection that they'll be gaining some sentience in this latest iteration? Or the C'Tan role reversal? I only know the basics about Tomb Kings, so I'm having some difficulty understanding the complaint.

For me personally, it's becauseGW have always said that they try and keep the fantasy and 40K universes different to each other, and try to minimise the comparisons between races. I feel ever so slightly (but not too badly) disappointed in the comparisons that I can make. For instance, the SS head comparison that I mentioned in my last post just comes across as product 'recycling' tbh.

Still, ones I'm done with my half finished DE, and just started SM's, I will DEFO be goingwith the crons based on the cool factor of the troop types alone

Well, they haven't "always" said that. Back in the day the two universes were pretty close mirror images of each other. Then they decided to change that, killed off the Space Dwarfs, and started inserting genius things like anime mech armies into the 40K ouevre. Why shouldn't they change their mind again? Personally, I don't have any problems with 40K armies representing Space Dwarfs, Space Lizards, or Space Undead (which was kind of what I was hoping the Necrons release would be; and it sort of is).

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I've been trying to devise a simple way to make the Doomsday Ark look less like an upside-down Ghost Ark, and there seem to be some potential easy fixes that will require minimal effort and skill. A couple of rudimentary photoshop mockups later, and we have:

version 1: just chop out a "joint" from each rib


version 2: flip the endcaps on each rib. this was much tougher to photoshop so i gave up before it was finished... conveys the general impression, though

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I'm not sorry to see the glow rods go. Hopefully the lime green jewel on the monolith is gone as well.

I never was a fan of bitz that have to be added after painting or of mixing media like that.

Agreed. This was one of the things that put me off them in the first place. Luminous green plastic just looked silly to me. Toy-like.

Do we have any information about rules for any of these models?

At first I was thinking that the Ghost Ark would look a bit strange after you'd dropped off your squad of warriors but it still had the arm folded ones inside it.

Then I had a thought that maybe it constantly teleports in reinforcements into it's hold some of which are activated every turn ala the tervigon. Sound's quite cool in my mind.

Vermillion wrote:If it did it would only have fuelled the nerd rage on finecast.

It isn't "nerd rage" when it's a genuine complaint about sub-par quality for an inflated price. But whatever.

ceku wrote:I sense a new op army.

Why? Why do you have any reason to believe that right now? You're obviously judging this based PURELY on the fact that it's new, and nothing else.

AlexHeap wrote:Do we have any information about rules for any of these models?

Something about auto win on a 3+ unless they're fighting Ultramarines in which case they only auto win on a 6+.

Necron came back.

Looks really nice.

Hope they can kill Grey Knights at ease.
And bring "balance" in 40K!

Hey as long as we stand up to the fusillades of firepower dark eldar lists can dish out, with enough robots standing (and returning) to return fire in kind, I will be more than happy.

I'd like to outshoot tau and also be decent in close combat without having a big "U" on my shoulder pads.

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I've been trying to devise a simple way to make the Doomsday Ark look less like an upside-down Ghost Ark, and there seem to be some potential easy fixes that will require minimal effort and skill. A couple of rudimentary photoshop mockups later, and we have:

version 1: just chop out a "joint" from each rib


version 2: flip the endcaps on each rib. this was much tougher to photoshop so i gave up before it was finished... conveys the general impression, though

These both look pretty good. I don't know about the arms, they look kinda dumb, but could look better when it's released.

haroon wrote:I need more ghost arks for my assault on naboo

I was thinking the same thing!

Sidstyler wrote:

Vermillion wrote:If it did it would only have fuelled the nerd rage on finecast.

It isn't "nerd rage" when it's a genuine complaint about sub-par quality for an inflated price. But whatever.

No it isn't, however with all the bandwagoning and vocal shouting about it it pretty much boils down to about 90% nerd rage, 10% people saying "guys bit of a problem for GW, I'd wait and see if the kids returning their models get better quality controlin place". Ring GW, get a replacement, probably get to get what you can salvage from the damaged cast. That discussion however has been done to death and my point was to highlight that any problems in recasting old models would have outcry from people on the internet and again many bandwagon posters and forums filled with flaming.

Sir Motor wrote:Necron came back.

Looks really nice.

Hope they can kill Grey Knights at ease.
And bring "balance" in 40K!

I got to paraphrase!!
"But they are the chosen ones prophesised to slay the Ward and bring balance to 40K!!"

The models look great (mostly, that fork lift and the flayers are awful) but they're not necron. The fluff writer had better be a fething wunderkind, otherwise this release is going to be god awful as totally inappropriate models get hamfisted into a conceptually terrible storyline. If this isn't handled with extreme grace and precision they're going to be the skeletors of this game. Toylike and stupid.

I just cried into my wifes arms, I'm so happy....

Ouze wrote:5.) Super ehhh on the flayed ones. I don't like how scroll-y the skin looks, or the one with the skulls (skullz!). Hate the scorpion pincers. Will have to see what hand options are in the box.

It reminds me of...

I love these models. I shall become very poor in the next few months.

ph34r wrote:Its bookkeeping. "Oh, that rhino is AV 9, but that one was 8" "No, it was the other way around!"

Not to mention keeping track of armor save changes. Someone who pays for an armor save is supposed to get it, which is why power weapons often cost as much as another model (or more depending on the army). For scarabs to reduce a terminator captain,for instance, from 2+ to - for the rest of the game is beyond plausibility. A Hive Tyrant or Carnifex even more so.

I've never particularly liked Necrons before - they're the only 40k race I don't own some kind of force for - but I do like these. if it wasn't for the southern Hemisphere embargo I could have seen myself buying an army of these quite easily.

To be honest, the more I look at these, the less I see the connection people are making to 'Tomb Kings in space'... Aside from the very vaguely egyptian feel to the barge, there's really nothing about these that screams 'Tomb Kings'...

Adding bling to robots does not make them Tomb Kings.

streamdragon wrote:

ph34r wrote:Its bookkeeping. "Oh, that rhino is AV 9, but that one was 8" "No, it was the other way around!"

Not to mention keeping track of armor save changes. Someone who pays for an armor save is supposed to get it, which is why power weapons often cost as much as another model (or more depending on the army). For scarabs to reduce a terminator captain,for instance, from 2+ to - for the rest of the game is beyond plausibility. A Hive Tyrant or Carnifex even more so.

Necrons will be the newest book full of 'win'.

Until people figure out how to kill them. Then they'll probably drop to 2nd tier because it is , after all, a xenos army with largely 4+ armor saves. The hardier units have 3+ but the same weapons that kill marines will kill them, too. TH/SS terminators are still good vs everyone. Of all the rumors i haven't seen any mention of any 2+ saves in the codex, maybe one or two units will have access but in that respect i classify them with tyranids. Luckily for me, I'm going to be selling some tyranid gargantuan creatures (and a bio titan) to finance the purchase of these nifty new models and codex.

insaniak wrote:To be honest, the more I look at these, the less I see the connection people are making to 'Tomb Kings in space'... Aside from the very vaguely egyptian feel to the barge, there's really nothing about these that screams 'Tomb Kings'...

Adding bling to robots does not make them Tomb Kings.

The head dresses, mummy wraps, gold and teal color scheme, skeletons, and ankhs aren't enough? Half of them even have khopesh's. How could this possibly not be tomb kings in space?


Seriously?

I am actually liking the lack of "glow rods". It might have looked great back then, but now it just looks "toyish" and not to be taken seriously.

I like the new look. Just hoping there is some great fluff where the Crons and Tyranids team up.

Not to mention:



Imotekh? Seriously?

Davor wrote:I am actually liking the lack of "glow rods". It might have looked great back then, but now it just looks "toyish" and not to be taken seriously.

I like the new look. Just hoping there is some great fluff where the Crons and Tyranids team up.

They replaced rods with balls. There are glowballs everywhere on these models.

tetrisphreak wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

ph34r wrote:Its bookkeeping. "Oh, that rhino is AV 9, but that one was 8" "No, it was the other way around!"

Not to mention keeping track of armor save changes. Someone who pays for an armor save is supposed to get it, which is why power weapons often cost as much as another model (or more depending on the army). For scarabs to reduce a terminator captain,for instance, from 2+ to - for the rest of the game is beyond plausibility. A Hive Tyrant or Carnifex even more so.

Necrons will be the newest book full of 'win'.

Until people figure out how to kill them. Then they'll probably drop to 2nd tier because it is , after all, a xenos army with largely 4+ armor saves. The hardier units have 3+ but the same weapons that kill marines will kill them, too. TH/SS terminators are still good vs everyone. Of all the rumors i haven't seen any mention of any 2+ saves in the codex, maybe one or two units will have access but in that respect i classify them with tyranids. Luckily for me, I'm going to be selling some tyranid gargantuan creatures (and a bio titan) to finance the purchase of these nifty new models and codex.

I have never once said that they would be unbeatable or broken.

I simply said having a plain fast attack unit strip models/units of armor saves or reduce vehicle armor is dumb. Which it is.

Deathmarks, immortals and Imotekh are the only ones I really like. They actually look really sinister unlike the rest of the range which looks a bit comical imo.

Also glad they got rid of the green rods. They always seemed cheap to me.

Are all these kits going to be interchangeable like the dark eldar range? That way you can really customise your lord and cyptek thingys.

We had all better brush up on painting green glow. Everybody go get some snot green and scorpion green, and read the how-to guides for painting warpfire throwers.


I will get the White Dwarf because hopefully they do a tutorial in that one about how to get that perfect green fuzz effect. I guess I will also go ahead and glue the rods in my old edition warriors now, since it doesn't appear that the rumor regarding multi-colored glowy rods for different weapons is going to pan out.


Also, one more thing -- If the persons scanning and uploading these photos have access to the white dwarf, why aren't they posting #'s of models per box and cost??? Let us know how much money we'll have to save/sell before release date so we as consumers aren't scrambling at the last minute!


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streamdragon wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

ph34r wrote:Its bookkeeping. "Oh, that rhino is AV 9, but that one was 8" "No, it was the other way around!"

Not to mention keeping track of armor save changes. Someone who pays for an armor save is supposed to get it, which is why power weapons often cost as much as another model (or more depending on the army). For scarabs to reduce a terminator captain,for instance, from 2+ to - for the rest of the game is beyond plausibility. A Hive Tyrant or Carnifex even more so.

Necrons will be the newest book full of 'win'.

Until people figure out how to kill them. Then they'll probably drop to 2nd tier because it is , after all, a xenos army with largely 4+ armor saves. The hardier units have 3+ but the same weapons that kill marines will kill them, too. TH/SS terminators are still good vs everyone. Of all the rumors i haven't seen any mention of any 2+ saves in the codex, maybe one or two units will have access but in that respect i classify them with tyranids. Luckily for me, I'm going to be selling some tyranid gargantuan creatures (and a bio titan) to finance the purchase of these nifty new models and codex.

I have never once said that they would be unbeatable or broken.

I simply said having a plain fast attack unit strip models/units of armor saves or reduce vehicle armor is dumb. Which it is.

I never said you said that. I was using your quote to point out something I believe to be true.

I do want my friend's DE to have a very hard time beating my new 'crons, however. Is that bad?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Davor wrote:I am actually liking the lack of "glow rods". It might have looked great back then, but now it just looks "toyish" and not to be taken seriously.

I like the new look. Just hoping there is some great fluff where the Crons and Tyranids team up.

They replaced rods with balls. There are glowballs everywhere on these models.

Hey that gives me an Idea. I can make the game like Fallout New Vegas, and they can be Snow Globes.

These models look like "Tomb Kings in space" for a couple reasons.

1) Because they've always kinda been TK in space, at least a little. These look more like Jes's original sketches from the '90s better than the current line.

2) Necrons were/are a bit of a conceptual mess...Terminator-Cthulhu-high tech-straight horror-evil robots-ancient civilization. I've stated here before that these aspects are somewhat contradictory. The high tech aspects would suggest more streamlined models, while the Cthulhu-ancient civ aspects suggest ornateness. GW obviously decided to pick a direction, and headed down the "TK" path. If they had gone the other direction, there likely would be people saying they're too boring and bland. Someone wasn't going to be happy, and I tend to think this direction will bring in more new players.

IMO, they're really nice. *shrug* I'm most interested in seeing the new Spyders.

Thought it was interesting that they're getting a sniper unit. Snipers get better in the rumored 6th edition rules from a while back.