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tetrisphreak wrote:
I never said you said that. I was using your quote to point out something I believe to be true.

I do want my friend's DE to have a very hard time beating my new 'crons, however. Is that bad?

Ah, my apologies then.

Nothing wrong with wanting a good game, and to not get stomped on. I haven't had to face Dark Eldar yet, are they really that tough against a 3+ like Necrons? CC I'm guessing?

I need to make another comment I have read a bit. About Necrons riding machines. So you have a problem of a robot riding a robot?

So it's ok for a human to ride another living animal? It's the same thing. We have living robots riding non living machines.

I haven't read the Necron Fluff yet, but does it say anywhere that all Necrons are made from the same machine? So a Necron if riding a machin is not suppose to have a chair or legs then?

Also why do SM and IG have vehicles? If the Imperium of Man already has Transporters, why don't every unit uses Transporters then? How stupid is SM using vehicles when they can just "beam" into the battle then.

Why can't Necrons have vehicles? Why can't Necrons ride in vehicles? If this is the case, SM shouldn't be able to as well.

The comment was more meant to be a "If you're building robots, why build a separate car? Why not just make a car that is a robot in and of itself?"

streamdragon wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:
I never said you said that. I was using your quote to point out something I believe to be true.

I do want my friend's DE to have a very hard time beating my new 'crons, however. Is that bad?

Ah, my apologies then.

Nothing wrong with wanting a good game, and to not get stomped on. I haven't had to face Dark Eldar yet, are they really that tough against a 3+ like Necrons? CC I'm guessing?

I play 3 armies - Tyranids, Tau, and Necrons. My friend plays one - DE.

Vs my 'nids his poison and lance kill my MC's like nothing, then without synapse my little models fall out of my control and are mopped up with shooting and assault. I lose.

Vs my tau his transports are faster than all get-out, and their 5+ saves prevent me from stopping him from getting across the board to me in 1 turn (especially when he puts enhanced aethersails on his raiders and boosts them in from reserve.). Turn 2 i'm in CC with DE wyches and beast squads. I lose.

Vs my Necrons he can't really touch my monoliths outside of assault, and the general 3+/4+/4+ saves keep many of my models on the table. Our games are long and drawn out with little casualties on either side, in objective games his mobility usually secures him more objectives. I lose. In Annihilation it is possible that i can force a draw...but not easy.


so yea I'm looking very much forward to a Good Necron Book with which to level the playing field in my meta. Plus I do like the look of the new models. i will probably easily spend $250 to $300 on release day in new stuff.

streamdragon wrote:"If you're building robots, why build a separate car? Why not just make a car that is a robot in and of itself?"

Yeah, this is basically why necrons look wrong driving/piloting vehicles.

Robots riding in robots makes sense to me, the smaller robots can break off the larger robot to go attack stuff while the bigger robot cruises about giving support fire or such yea?

Sure the robots can just be made into vehicles themselves but perhaps they would then not be able to perform certain things as opposed to if they where still on foot.

Something like that anyway.




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Pilots being a different matter though.

I think they should be incorporated into said vehicle.

Davor wrote:I need to make another comment I have read a bit. About Necrons riding machines. So you have a problem of a robot riding a robot?

So it's ok for a human to ride another living animal? It's the same thing. We have living robots riding non living machines.

I haven't read the Necron Fluff yet, but does it say anywhere that all Necrons are made from the same machine? So a Necron if riding a machin is not suppose to have a chair or legs then?

Also why do SM and IG have vehicles? If the Imperium of Man already has Transporters, why don't every unit uses Transporters then? How stupid is SM using vehicles when they can just "beam" into the battle then.

Why can't Necrons have vehicles? Why can't Necrons ride in vehicles? If this is the case, SM shouldn't be able to as well.

I think people are more angry at the fact that the race with the most advanced teleportation tech in the galaxy and the precedent for actually having giant roving dimensional doors are putting on their steampunk glasses and hooking up to the front of a necron ship from bfg and piloting it with a trackball. The drivers of the robot vehicles it what is offputting. The design of the transport itself is bad aside from the logical holes.

ShumaGorath wrote:
I think people are more angry at the fact that the race with the most advanced teleportation tech in the galaxy and the precedent for actually having giant roving dimensional doors are putting on their steampunk glasses and hooking up to the front of a necron ship from bfg and piloting it with a trackball. The drivers of the robot vehicles it what is offputting. The design of the transport itself is bad aside from the logical holes.

So build yours without the pilots when you get the model. Problem solved. I just got some of the new liquid green stuff that came out this month...it's amazing and will be great for smoothing cracks and gaps from modding the plastic kits.

I think with the vehicles necrons just needed the option for a mechanized army like most other armies.

Teleporters would make more sense but vehicles is what you got.

Count me as one of the loving the barge crowd. The image on the box for the barge totally reminds me of this: http://www.kingtutshop.com/free-pictures/egypti10.jpg

Once the spiders come out , I'm sure they will look less Egyptian. Besides, I also quite like the tails, people got too used to Necrons being human. They aren't, they are necrontyr so I am happy they are starting too add some distinctions.

those warscythes will look pimp


wielded by my Grey Knights of course

Mewiththeface wrote:Once the spiders come out , I'm sure they will look less Egyptian. Besides, I also quite like the tails, people got too used to Necrons being human. They aren't, they are necrontyr so I am happy they are starting too add some distinctions.

Also, Space Marine Librarians have:
1. A staff
2. A head dress
3. A loin Cloth
The Egyptian reference isn't something new. These guys just happen to be skeleton robots. Besides, they fill a nice niche that 40k would feel empty without.
I will say the flayed ones disappoint me though.

I think they are fine, I have the old metal Crons which look way more tomb kings then these so I really think it is funny to watch people cry about it because they clearly haven't played the game long enough to realize that most of what GW has been pumping out lately is all stuff they had at one point or another...

I think these will be a fun looking army, I hope they shift the meta quite a bit with out getting screwed in 6th ha ha...

I do find it funny that they are all silver (metal) like the GK, had I foreseen this I would have purchased stock in metallic paint

Spiders?

And are the basic troops being redone?

I read the OP when this was first posted and skimmed the previous thread but didn't see anything on that- sorry if it's already been asked

Xeriapt wrote:Robots riding in robots makes sense to me, the smaller robots can break off the larger robot to go attack stuff while the bigger robot cruises about giving support fire or such yea?

Sure the robots can just be made into vehicles themselves but perhaps they would then not be able to perform certain things as opposed to if they where still on foot.

Something like that anyway.




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Pilots being a different matter though.

I think they should be incorporated into said vehicle.

Like this?

Ok now i will be confronted to a though decision...

I decided some weeks ago to start a DE army...

And now i want to start a Necron Army...

Well might as well do both...

After all i allready started converting the DE as if they where Mortal Followers and Cultitsts of Khorne, might well turn the Necrons into those old Chaos Androids from RT era!!


*Slayer-the Art of playing army's while still playing Chaos...

Necrons driving machines. How silly - whereever did they get that from? They really don't understand Necrons, do they.

gorgon wrote:1) Because they've always kinda been TK in space, at least a little.

Necrons pre-date Tomb Kings.

ShumaGorath wrote:The head dresses, mummy wraps, gold and teal color scheme, skeletons, and ankhs aren't enough? Half of them even have khopesh's. How could this possibly not be tomb kings in space?

The head dresses are not particularly egyptian looking.
What mummy wraps?
I'm not seeing any teal. Blue here and there, but no teal.
The ankhs have always been there.

So that leaves us with the fact that they look like robot skeletons. Which, now that I think of it, is the core of the Tomb King design ethos, after all. Silly me, how could I not have seen it before... ?

I.... Want... NOW!!!!

hahha

also on the robots riding robots thing, these aren't "robots". These are ancient living beings who were tricked into metal bodies so that some douchebag could eat their flesh bodies. Destroyer disease is one thing and they still keep their humanoid torso.

spyders and scarabs? well i don't know about those, maybe the pets of the necrontyr?

Spyders are robot cleaning ladies. Created for just that purpose.

The head dresses are not particularly egyptian looking.

They're not very far off.

What mummy wraps?

I'm not seeing any teal. Blue here and there, but no teal.

The special characters have it though really blue is the egyptian royal color anyway, not teal. Teal was used in heiroglyphs, less so in actual clothing or adornments. I got my Egyptian fashions mixed before.

The ankhs have always been there.

That doesn't actually reduce their importance here.

So that leaves us with the fact that they look like robot skeletons.

Egyptian robot skeletons riding nile boats, wearing mummy wraps, using egyptian weapons, wearing egyptian colors, wearing armor that's suspiciously like Egyptian clothing, with Egyptian sounding names. I think that's enough to be left with at this point.

Those aren't mummy wraps, Shuma. It's flesh flayed from their victims.

For some reason, they didn't add any red to delineate that fact.

Has anyone else noticed that Trazyn the Infinite appears to be carressing a Tau symbol, and has an Eldar symbol tied to his waist?

I wonder what Ward has done to him in the fluff...

Someone with good Photoshop skills, should turn the top right Necron Flayed one, into a "Haters gonna hate" De-Motivational.

ShumaGorath wrote:Egyptian robot skeletons riding nile boats, wearing mummy wraps, using egyptian weapons, wearing egyptian colors, wearing armor that's suspiciously like Egyptian clothing, with Egyptian sounding names. I think that's enough to be left with at this point.

This is a stretch... I'm really not seeing a stronger connection to Tomb Kings. They are skeletal robots, and they've always had some of that imagery...

The flayed ones are the exception to the look of the new models, not the norm...

my Yoshimi lead Grey Knights are going to be wielding a lot of necron weapons in the near future.



Cause He knows that, it would be tragic, if those evil robots win



and anyone claiming this isn't robot tomb kings is a troll of warhammer proportions

Warboss Gutrip wrote:Has anyone else noticed that Trazyn the Infinite appears to be caressing a Tau symbol, and has an Eldar symbol tied to his waste?

I wonder what Ward has done to him in the fluff...

"Waist" not "waste".

And likely nothing bad. The Eldar are creations of the Old Ones, and the Tau are theorized to be one of the last of the Old Ones' creations as well.

The fact that it looks like he's wearing them as what looks to be trophies kind of implies that he took them off the dead.

Kanluwen wrote:I have to disagree with you on the headdresses, Johira.

People seem to forget that at one point...Necrons did have headdresses.

You miss my point. I'm not against headdresses in general. I'm against headdresses that look stupid.