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I'm getting some new models and so I'm rethinking the turret for my Hellhound conversion - I'm wondering how a Redeemer Flamestorm Cannon would look mounted with the barrels side-by-side instead of up and down. I know it'd look really funny on a standard Chimera or Hellhound turret, so I'm thinking about mounting it on a Predator turret. Has anyone tried anything like this? And would it look particularly funny to have the igniter for the barrel on the side instead of underneath?

I think it would look pretty neat TBO. Personally I love the redeemer flamer it just looks awesome. And who cares if the ignitor is on the side, it would still light the damn thing. I say go for and see what happens, it could be the coolest thing youve ever converted.... or make you think "oh god thats getting cut off before anyone else sees it" That happens when you convert things

A ignator can fit where ever the Gork it wants ta go. if its on the bottom, side, top, inside it will light and it will BURN

And that's kinda what I wanted to know - if anyone had experience with any type of flamethrower-type weapon they could share (and I'm not talking about a can of hairspray and a lighter...)

Flame travels up so a real weapon will obviously work better with the igniter below, but essentially if it's there and on fire and you squirt burny stuff past it, yeah, it'll work.

My converted hellhound uses a standard heavy flamer turret, bit I'd imagine it would work with a redeemer flamethrower as well . I'm not sure about a predator turret, since it would involve extensive rebuilding to accomodate the pipes anyway, so you might just as well scratchbuild it.

Here's an example:



And here's the link to the gallery for some more pics.

I like thjat conversion CK. What did you use for the rear mounted fuel container?

I originally used a catachan sentinel heavy flamer for my siege dreadnought, but I have recently used the redeemer flamer the same way and it looks a lot better.

I remark on this because I have seen other IG players use the same catachan bit on their chimeras to make effective looking hellhounds, so I imagine the redeemer will look even better.

Yeah, I'd originally planned on using SM Dreadnought Heavy flamers (2 per turret) for the Inferno Cannon. I've looked at the Sentinel Heavy Flamer bits and I feel like somehow they don't have the right proportions and look slightly...off.

I don't think the Predator turret will be too much of a problem - it'll require some work on where the Flamestorm cannon attaches to the horizontal pivot, but I figure as long as I mount it with the barrels side-by-side instead of over-under, it won't require too much work.

Flagg07 wrote:I like thjat conversion CK. What did you use for the rear mounted fuel container?

Thanks. The containers on the rear armour are flamer tanks from the cadian sprue and a box from the vehicle accesory sprue; the ones on top (where the double hatch on chimera would go) are from the COD manufactorum sprue.

So, both my LRC/R and Predator arrived this afternoon and after looking at the bitz, this is definitely do-able and I think will definitely look pretty solid. I'll need to do a little plasticard work on the cowling where the Lascannons currently attach to make it one solid piece instead of two separate pieces, but other than that, the conversion should be pretty simple. I think the Predator turret will look really good - it will have a better declination than GW's Hellhound turrets have. (Death or glory this, Bananas Foster!)

So, both my LRC/R and Predator arrived this afternoon and after looking at the bitz, this is definitely do-able and I think will definitely look pretty solid.

Sounds promising. I'm still curious to see how you'll attach the flamer bits though.

In other words: me wants pics!

Okay! First pics of the Redeemer Flamestorm Cannon on the Predator turret. On the turret itself, I was a little worried about how it looked. But putting it on the Chimera chassis, I'm much happier with it.

Below is a view of the turret on the chassis from the front right. As I mentioned previously when I was still planning what I was going to do, I used the twin-linked lascannons as a base for attaching the flamestorm cannon to the turret. I cut off the lascannons right in front of the cowling (hey, those are actually going to be the perfect size for replacing my Leman Russ hull lascannons!). I then glued a piece of plasticard across between the lascannon cowlings and GSed the gaps. I shaved down the backside of the flamestorm cannon so that it was smooth, and needed to shave down the round pivot point so that it would fit under the cowling. I drilled a couple holes in the flamestorm cannon and pinned it into the holes left by the lascannons. I finished it off by gluing another piece of plasticard under the bottom of the cowling to connect those.



The next shot is directly from the front.



A shot from the front left. As you can see, the length of the weapon is pretty long - it's longer than the Predator's twin-linked lascannons, but shorter than the autocannon.



Finally, a little bit of a close-up from the front left.



I need to find a nice bit to put on top of the pivot hole and then gussy up the rest of the turret, but I'm pretty happy with how this is turning out. I plan on putting a set of the flamestorm fuel tanks on the back of the turret with maybe a single Cadian flamer fuel tank on either side (cut the double Cadian fuel tanks into two separates).

Here's my next question, though - originally, I was going to cut off the back of the Chimera troop compartment and put a large fuel tank in the back, FW-style. But I'm wondering if I need to go that far to make it look sharp and effective. What do folks think?

I did some more work - adding the tanks to the back of the turret, a piece to cover the pivot hole on the flamestorm cannon, and a turret hatch. I'm really pleased with how the turret is turning out. I also chopped off the hull-mounted flamer and replaced it with a heavy bolter.





I've got an extra Chimera top, so I decided to cut the back off of one to see how the model would look with an exposed fuel tank in the back. The tank is something that WulfOfCadia sent me after posting how he used them on his own Hellhound conversion (which you can see here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/216274.page). I think with the small turret that WulfOfCadia uses, the tank looks really good. With my larger turret, I'm wondering if it looks a little small. I tried it in the same way that Wulf did - FW Hellhound-style, but it looks a little dinky. So, then I tried turning it 90 degrees, so that it runs parallel to the back of the vehicle. I think it looks a little better that way, but I'm not convinced. I'm really wondering if I should just stick with the full Chimera body and maybe cut the tank so that part of it sticks out the top like CommissarKhaine's...I'm thinking it looks really front-heavy otherwise.

Looking pretty good! I didn't think the horizontal flamecannon would work out, but it looks cool. My only gripe with it would be the length of the barrle; I'd consider removing one section - this would take care of the pivot hole as well.

As for the tanks: I find the FW tanks a bit OTT, not to mention horribly exposed... This is why I used tanks sunk intot he main body of the tank. Maybe you could add a plasticard hull to the rear with the tank sunk inside? It would look a bit more armoured that way.

It looks great, DBM. The predator turret works a treat, surprisingly.

If you could be bothered, converting the gun to have the flame lighter bit on both sides to make it symmetrical would make it work much better visually in terms of being sideways, but it's still very cool as it is!

Yesterday I decided to keep the Chimera top and glued it back into place. I built a plasticard back end (keeping it different from the troop door in the back) and started fooling around with a fuel tank that would be strapped to the back of the vehicle. I mainly succeeded in gluing my fingers together a lot with that, thanks. I'd been trying to remember what the preview Hellhound looked like that pictures were taken of awhile back, and I was happy to see LunaHound re-posting the pic to the recent IG rumor page:


So, I'm rethinking the fuel tank for the vehicle and looking at how I can instead build up some stuff on the top rear of the vehicle to represent this.

More pictures soon of the work I did yesterday.

Yeah, so, scratch my last comment about building something on the top rear of the chassis to represent the fuel tank. I got to looking at the work I did yesterday and started looking at how, with the bitz at my disposal I could add said fuel tank. And I decided to say, "To hell with it." and went with the work I was doing yesterday. The vent covering the hatch doesn't look as good as I'd like it to, but that will be easily remedied on future Hellhounds. Rivets were made by cutting plastic rod and gluing them in place. Some are a little big, but I was finding towards the end that I was getting pretty consistent sizes. I've still got more greebly stuff that I need to add, but need to find the bitz to do it (hoses connecting the tank to the back of the Hellhound, stowage, etc.), but at this point, I'm pretty happy with how it's turned out.







Is there anything else that folks think I need to add to make it particularly Hellhound-y?

Interesting. Aesthetically, the flamer barrel loooks too long and the fuel tank too large and 'stick-outy', but logically, they both make perfect sense - the flamer barrel should overhang the main hull to avoid setting your own vehicle on fire, and the fuel tank should be as far away from everything else as possible and easily detachable in case of fire.

So I think it's pretty good. You need something to fill the 6 gun ports on the sides. Some bits to represent a quick release mechanism for changing/releasing the fuel tank would be nice. Is the turret hatch glued on? -if not, consider changing it to a IG hatch. And yes you need some armoured hoses connecting the fuel tank to the main hull.

Yeah, I've had debates about the length of the barrel, too, but have decided (partly out of laziness) that it looks good enough that I don't want to muck about having to tear it back apart and cut it down.

The turret hatch is not glued on - thanks for the recommendation for the IG hatch. You're right, it will make a difference.

I'm a little stymied on what to do about the gun ports, though....I'm tempted to just make something out of my spare bits, but it's difficult as I want whatever I do to be repeatable for 2 other Hellhounds. This means I need to have 3 sets of bitz for whatever I do there.

*Edit - After looking through some 1/35 model car parts, while I haven't found anything for the gun ports, I did find the best accessory for a Hellhound turret ever: an IG-scale fire extinguisher. (Second best accessory was a couple 8-track players.)

*Edit 2 - I found some good armored hoses that I've got a bunch of to use to connect the tank to the body of the vehicle - lots of cabling from spare Land Raider lascannons. Now I just need to find something for the gun ports.

For the gun ports, what about adding six smoke stacks? Worst case scenario, you scratch build them from plasticard. Or perhaps more tubing to connect the rear-mounted fuel tank to the hull? Although I would only use the two rear ports for this idea. You could do both as well.

Death By Monkeys wrote:[
I've got an extra Chimera top, so I decided to cut the back off of one to see how the model would look with an exposed fuel tank in the back. The tank is something that WulfOfCadia sent me after posting how he used them on his own Hellhound conversion (which you can see here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/216274.page). I think with the small turret that WulfOfCadia uses, the tank looks really good. With my larger turret, I'm wondering if it looks a little small. I tried it in the same way that Wulf did - FW Hellhound-style, but it looks a little dinky. So, then I tried turning it 90 degrees, so that it runs parallel to the back of the vehicle. I think it looks a little better that way, but I'm not convinced. I'm really wondering if I should just stick with the full Chimera body and maybe cut the tank so that part of it sticks out the top like CommissarKhaine's...I'm thinking it looks really front-heavy otherwise.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Yeah, so, scratch my last comment about building something on the top rear of the chassis to represent the fuel tank. I got to looking at the work I did yesterday and started looking at how, with the bitz at my disposal I could add said fuel tank. And I decided to say, "To hell with it." and went with the work I was doing yesterday. The vent covering the hatch doesn't look as good as I'd like it to, but that will be easily remedied on future Hellhounds. Rivets were made by cutting plastic rod and gluing them in place. Some are a little big, but I was finding towards the end that I was getting pretty consistent sizes. I've still got more greebly stuff that I need to add, but need to find the bitz to do it (hoses connecting the tank to the back of the Hellhound, stowage, etc.), but at this point, I'm pretty happy with how it's turned out.

That Looks freaking awsome Dude, good to see they were useful.

Overhanging the back is something i didn' try!


-wulfie

Zaku I wrote:A ignator can fit where ever the Gork it wants ta go. if its on the bottom, side, top, inside it will light and it will BURN

You could probably just file off the ignitor anyway... All the fluff and background info indicates that flamers are fuelled with stuff that ignites on contact with air... why do you need an ignitor?

i like what you've done, it looks great.
my only "complaint" would be the fuel tank.
can't wait to see it painted.

nice work on the fuel tank man lookin forward to see more pics

Death By Monkeys wrote:I'm a little stymied on what to do about the gun ports, though....I'm tempted to just make something out of my spare bits, but it's difficult as I want whatever I do to be repeatable for 2 other Hellhounds. This means I need to have 3 sets of bitz for whatever I do there.

Now I just need to find something for the gun ports.

Cut the standard Chimera lascannons off the round bit and put them in backwards?

3BAC wrote:Cut the standard Chimera lascannons off the round bit and put them in backwards?

You know, I've considered that. And frankly, the longer I go without a better idea, the more tempting it is. I've also been thinking about making some square covers to go over them made out of plasticard to make it look like the ports have been armored over, but I'm not sold on that one either.

Turn them into gas caps.

reusing the backs of the chimera lasguns (not lascannon! ) is probaly the simplest option, as it's unlikely you'll use them for anything else. I was wondering about putting little vents in, but finding round vents the right size might be hard. Or just blank circles of plasticard - you can always say it's a field conversion of a Chimera, justifying whatever the mechanics used to fill the holes in the hull