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So, with the new army list, what is the best way for the lizards to deal with enemy dragons, specifically Chaos Lords with demon weapons and HE lords on star dragons? It doesn't look like a Old Blood on a Carnosaur will match up to these very well.

Swarms of skinks with blowpipes (need general nearby for Ld boost)

Engine of the Gods, if he comes near it he is going to get splatted.

I can't think of what a dragons Ld is off the top of my head, but an Old Blood with Blade of Realities would be great. remember that the Dragon CANNOT use the Princes Ld against the BoA.

Skinks are your best bet, though you'll still have to get through that 3+ armor save.

Blade of Realities isn't bad, but still when is a Dragon going to really let him get a charge off on itself?

If it's a Star Dragon, then the Carnosaur isn't a very good answer since he'll need 5's to hit. Other dragons the Carny can kill them if it gets into combat...and then lives to bite. Again, getting him into combat with a dragon is going to take some serious mistakes on your opponents part.

Chasing down dragons is such a pain. Skinks are probably the best bet, or just let it hit a unit that wont break and get it the turn after that.

bane head and slann can work well also.

Stegadon giant blow pip and giant bow.

can't have both a giant blowpipe and a giant bow as far as I know.. I'd support massed skink blowpipes, or if you have a strong magic phase an oldblood with jaguar pendant and blade of realities could work.. Or you could magic the fool to death with a Slann+Engine of the Gods

all these amazing units available to lizardmen, and its the faithful skink that kills anything huge, amazing in combat, or just generally annoying


the southlands shall rise again!

JD21290 wrote:all these amazing units available to lizardmen, and its the faithful skink that kills anything huge, amazing in combat, or just generally annoying


the southlands shall rise again!

That is definitely the quickest easiest answer to most problems. I don't care how awesome your unit is, if I fire enough blowpipes at it, it will die. The only armies that skinks don't rock against are VC and TK.. Damnable undead are immune to poison, IIRC.

Thats where your other Units come in.

Now I need to buy more skinks. But I need a stegadon first. and my Warp Spiders. and a figure case.

THE BEES! THEY'RE BUZZING!

Don't have my book on me, but here are a few ideas I have:
1) Skinks. You can, with average rolls, inflict 1 wound per roung on a Dragon per 9 Skinks.
2) Giant Bow. This Causes D3 wounds, no armour saves.
3) Slann Magic. Spells such as Drain Life, which allow no armour save will slowly wittle away at the Dragon.
4) The Blade of Realities. This isn't so good againts high Ld Star and Moon Dragons, but against the lowly Sun Dragon, it would be highly efficient, and even the others could roll .
5) Curse Charm of Tepok. Although not a solution to the Dragon, I beleive it would be highly effective against the Riders of Elf Dragons.
6) Combined Arms. One combination I think would be most effective at Higher Level Games is a combination of Blade of Realities and Doom and Darkness.

themandudeperson wrote:can't have both a giant blowpipe and a giant bow as far as I know.. I'd support massed skink blowpipes, or if you have a strong magic phase an oldblood with jaguar pendant and blade of realities could work.. Or you could magic the fool to death with a Slann+Engine of the Gods

I know, i was listing the weapons they have access to that works on dragons.

At small games, I would say massed Blowguns. 27 Skink Skirmishers=189pt, 54 shots. When moveing, rapid fireing, and shooting at lone range, you hit on sixes, wound automaticaly (makeing 9 wounds). These are randomised between the Rider and the Dragon, makeing 6 wounds on the Dragon. It saves 2/3 wounds, for 2 wounds in the end. A sun or Moon dragon will fall in 3 rounds (or to 81 skinks). A Star Dragon will fall in 4 (or 95 Skinks)

just a note here, but not only skinks as i mentioned earlier, but once its weaker an old blood on carny is possible to kill dragons (make sure you charge) due to its special rule against large targets

Stegadon you can choose either of these nice attacks:

12" str 3 2d6 poison attacks

or

36" str 5 , d3 ,poisoned , ignore armor.

Or Slann w. Spirit of the Forge (2d6 S5 hits, no saves.)

Just got my first game in (2250 pts against WE) with the new lizardmen army book and I have to say the Oldblood+Blade of Realities+Carnasaur are the death of any big gribbly. I had him in a unit of cold one riders (which I believe you can do now, not fully sure though.. so I'll have to sit down with the rule book) and I botched my charge. I then took a joint charge in the front arc with a warhawk, a noble on a warhawk and a lord on a forest dragon. I issued a challenge with my oldblood and the forest dragon lord accepted. He rolled his attacks all against my carnasaur, whiffing for the most part and only causing 1 wound. Then my old blood whiffed and my carnasuar took the dragon down to 1 wound!! Outside of the challenge, I lost a rider and killed both warhawks, leaving the noble on foot. I won combat with outnumber and 9 wounds. He broke and I ran him down and pursued into a unit of treekin. Next round, my lord alone scored 5 hits and wiped the unit out.
That combo may have earned a permanent spot in my army list!

Yes, I think that Slann may be out in this book.

Magic my man!!

Slaan can definitely still do the damned thing, especially now that you can get selective with his disciplines and make him a much cheaper army choice. One nasty thing you could do is take the discipline that makes you immune to non-magical attacks and the lore of metal and use the rule of gold (I think that's the name) and break the rider's weapon, then let the dragon charge you and just laugh as they tickle your invulnerable slann and you set up a horrific counter charge.

Shhhh...