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I know they cost abit different , but effectiveness point wise / heavy slot wise

how do they both fair?

Also, crusader or redeemer ?

IMO the Landraider wins out in every way.

Vindicator.

Wait a sec, are you SM or CSM?

In 5e it's almost impossible to get rid of an enemy's land raider. Also, it can have one weapon split it's fire. If you take a normal land raider you can have the heavy bolter fire on infantry and the two lascannons and multi-melta(if within range) can beat on some tanks or 2+ armor saves. Very nice. But with a predator, depending on configuration can come in at 100-150 pts under a land raider's cost. IF you've got something else you want to include like devastators or land speeders but can't find the points, replace the land raider with the predator.. Otherwise, if you have the points take the land raider IMO.

How about crusader vs redeemer variant?

@masioh Marines but ( sisters of battle lol )

The redeemer is good if you're planning on playing up close and personal and the crusader is used best as a terminator delivery system. All those hurricane bolter shots can add up against light infantry, especially within rapid fire range. Personally, I like the redeemer just because well.. it's awesome. I don't care about the mathhammer about it, it's a tank with two big super flamers on it that can cook marines like they were IG. I also favor the normal land raider as I can keep away from melta weapons easier while still contributing support fire because of the longer ranged weapons.

Land Raiders and Predators really take a different role....you can't really say "Which is better in any give game" because they are for different things.

If you want a terminator transport, take a land raider. If you're looking for a tank-killer, take a predator. Remember, that when you move more than 6", you can only fire 1 weapon and defensive weapons. If your land raider is scooting up to combat, its not going to be doing a lot of firing. A predator on the other hand can safely sit back and unload on trucks, tanks, etc.

Dashofpepper wrote:Land Raiders and Predators really take a different role....you can't really say "Which is better in any give game" because they are for different things.

If you want a terminator transport, take a land raider. If you're looking for a tank-killer, take a predator. Remember, that when you move more than 6", you can only fire 1 weapon and defensive weapons. If your land raider is scooting up to combat, its not going to be doing a lot of firing. A predator on the other hand can safely sit back and unload on trucks, tanks, etc.

Don't forget power of the machine spirit allows it to fire one more weapon than normal, so the loss of firepower while on the move is mitigated somewhat by that.

Ah...that's right. Durn machine spirit.

I have to say it's one of the things that I hate about landraiders. Even if you manage the nigh impossible and glance the thing, chances are it can still fire. Guard tanks are much nicer.

On topic though, yeah, both tanks have completely different uses so you can't really compare them. But I hate landraiders!!

Land Raider, hands down. AV14 is much better than AV14 (as with the machine spirit, you essentially ignore any glancing hits), you've got 2 TL Lascannons, and you can take a multi-melta.

You know...

How come I don't see more lists that involve 2 landraiders full of terminators?

your opponents are nice guys.

Dashofpepper wrote:You know...

How come I don't see more lists that involve 2 landraiders full of terminators?

Assault termies? or normal ones?

What about crusader vs redeemer variant? ( ><? )

Dashofpepper wrote:You know...

How come I don't see more lists that involve 2 landraiders full of terminators?

Luck?

One of my friend's strongest lists involves 2 squads of thunder hammer/ss terminators in LRCs.

Predators are much much less expensive, points wise. You can pack more Lascannons on one, and more anti-infantry on one. It's much easier for them to find cover, and for blast weapons to miss them.

With Predators you need to shoot and scoot, while a Land Raider can grind forward and obscure any following Rhinos.

landraiders cost more points but will survive almost anything. for a shooty army the predators are better but for a cc army you want to get up there so the landraider is better

Redeemer or Crusader Variant?

Im assuming redeemer to get rid of pesky cover saves?

Lascannons suck against vehicles with even a decent amount of armor. You can get 3 preds with AC and Heavy bolters for ANY of the LR variants, and they put out ridiculous amounts of firepower for their points.

A list with 3 predators in the heavy slots is meaner than a list with land raiders carrying terminators. Space marines also get plenty of good platforms to mount mobile multimeltas for vehicle killing detail.

The LR Redeemer is an awesome sight to behold, especially when you drive up between two squads and unleash death upon both of them.

If I were playing Space marines, I'd probably use Land raiders full of Terminators, along with drop pods full of dreadnoughts.

Course...there's a limit on support choices, so I don't know how much I could squeeze in there.

As an Eldar player i don't fear the Land raider i have more then enough things that can pop it with ease.

Now there is a third way to go instead of the predator or land raiders but only if you don't want (or need) to transport terminators ...
3 Razorbacks ... what they lack in armour they make up in value ... and since you're getting 3 tanks the life span goes up
...yes killing AV11 is much much easier then AV13 or AV14 but one tank Vs 3 I'd bet on the three.

but of the two i think the land raider is the better value it fill far more roles then the preditor can

I agree with "Dashofpepper"

My own land raider is covered in a thick layer of dust as I never use it as personally I think its worthless in the army lists I use. That being said, just because I don't use it effectively doesn't make it useless. If you build your list around it then the LR would become a formidable weapon.

my vote goes to buying two predators over a single LR. Points are "almost" the same depending on weapon loadout, you get two vehicles instead of one, and generally you get a few more options.

I'm very in love with my Land Raider Redeeemer. with extra armor & a multimelta at 265 it only stops moving when immobilized. the assault cannon & Multimelta kill the tanks (twin link the multimelta thanks to Vulkan!) and the Flamestorm cannons have taken out wraithguard, marines, and anything else that isn't a 2+ save with ease. The trick is to keep the land raider moving and take out any melta weapons before it gets near.

The only reason I'd take a crusader is if I had a unit of 8 terminator models or 7 terminator models, vulkan, & a chaplain that I wanted to get in a landraider.

It all depends what else is in the list and what you're going to do with it. Personally, unless I take two LR's, I don't like to take any. A lucky railgun shot, melta shot, etc. ruins your day. But, I like redundancy in my lists anyway. For 85pts, a preadator with autocannon and two heavy bolters is hard to beat. Of course, if nothing else, I use that pred to screen my Blood Claw bikers until they're ready to assault.

Luna: How many things do you want to cram in that LR? A big unit of assault termies needs a Crusader. A Captain and his power armored pals can get by with a redeemer.

That is really the main question, since you can assume both are going to be right up in your enemy's face, shooting or melting it. If your delivery fits in either, I might take the redeemer, just because 3+Svs with cover are both pretty common, and templates that ignore both are not. Plus, hey, burnination!

The big question is what he's actually going to do with that LR. If you're fielding any terminators, there's no reason not to attach it as a dedicated transport. Deep Strike is overrated and the LR rock solid for delivering troops where you need it.

This leaves the heavy support option open for the Predator. I'm still puzzled over the predator - a Razorback can do pretty much the same job for less as part of a troops choice.

The more I think about it the predator is just outclassed by other options in the army.

@ Wehrkind / Oldgrue : ATM i dont think i can fit anything assaultish in it.

My assault marines are all jump packed. My terminators arnt the assault type either xD


Im liking the idea of Razorbacks taking place of predator for Lascannon platform though.

If slots are your problem, the landraider is the choice. However in most SM and CSM lists I make, the issue is the points. At that level, two predators are in the same effectiveness range as 1 landraider. Then it is whether you want to use it as an assault vehicle that it stands out.

2 x Pred w TL-Las and Las Sponson... 330
1 x LR 260
or as noted...
4 x Razorbacks with TL-Las or Las/Plas 300

While the LR is hard to kill, it still can be killed and it is all your eggs in one basket. 2 Preds doing ranged support will generally present only Armor 13 and still be a hard kill. 4 Razorbacks... well they die easy but they also require 4 units to target them. They would be more of an incremental firepower loss.

LunaHound wrote:
@ Wehrkind / Oldgrue : ATM i dont think i can fit anything assaultish in it.

My assault marines are all jump packed. My terminators arnt the assault type either xD


Im liking the idea of Razorbacks taking place of predator for Lascannon platform though.

I'm very fond of Razorbacks. I think you pay too much for the TL lascannon, but they perform admirably when you figure they don't even consume a FOC slot and they can help you maneuver your squads. I think you need at least some heavier armor that is more threatening to your opponent to draw fire away from them, though.