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So, with new CP/army building generation I think Drukhari might get a little boost? If Patrols cost 1CP each, and they take 3 of them, 1 gets refunded and they spend 2, but gain 4 for a net gain of 2 CP over an army that brings a Battalion. Even if Patrols cost 2CP you're breaking even with a similar army.

Might be interesting? Unless a day 1 FAQ completely changes that ability.

Honestly wait to see if Raiding Force is free for us, if so then that will help out mono DE a lot.

Rihgu wrote:
So, with new CP/army building generation I think Drukhari might get a little boost? If Patrols cost 1CP each, and they take 3 of them, 1 gets refunded and they spend 2, but gain 4 for a net gain of 2 CP over an army that brings a Battalion. Even if Patrols cost 2CP you're breaking even with a similar army.

Might be interesting? Unless a day 1 FAQ completely changes that ability.

I wouldn't be shocked if they FAQ'd it immediately. Remember 2 weeks or so after our codex allowed the 3 patrol detachment ability for CP's they immediately limited max detachments to 3 at 2k pts and made it nearly worthless.

No, they didn't. They added a tournament suggestion of max 3 Detachments, not an actual rule.

 Platuan4th wrote:
No, they didn't. They added a tournament suggestion of max 3 Detachments, not an actual rule.

Yeah well try playing a game at my local GW without normal matched played rules. You won't get very far. We don't play power values either.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
No, they didn't. They added a tournament suggestion of max 3 Detachments, not an actual rule.

Yeah well try playing a game at my local GW without normal matched played rules. You won't get very far. We don't play power values either.

Your local meta is not the game. Again, those are NOT "normal matched play rules" the FAQ itself lists them as Tournament/Event suggestions.

The detachment thing was a suggestion but many groups adopted it which did affect how they could field their army. The bigger one for me was actually how two weeks after our codex dropped they FAQed the core book to make battalion jump from 3CP to 5CP which now bumped it 1 CP higher than our raiding party for less investment. The fact they never went back and bumped our raiding party to 6 or even just matched Battalion at 5 blows my mind. I hope we get a special way to army-build in 9th to compensate for our weird 3-faction codex but given GW history of working with us to make army building fun and adaptable I wont be holding my breath.

I've always played drukhari with 9-10 CPs guaranteed plus additional 0-2 from the Prophets of Flesh trait and an extra couple from the Black Heart trait. Never had the feeling that I was low in CPs.

So, even if drukhari don't get special rules that allow them to bring multi-detachments without burning CPs I wouldn't freak out. Going 3x detachments will probably mean starting with 6-8 CPs plus 1CP/turn which is pretty close to the starting 9-10 CPs of 8th.

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:
The detachment thing was a suggestion but many groups adopted it which did affect how they could field their army. The bigger one for me was actually how two weeks after our codex dropped they FAQed the core book to make battalion jump from 3CP to 5CP which now bumped it 1 CP higher than our raiding party for less investment. The fact they never went back and bumped our raiding party to 6 or even just matched Battalion at 5 blows my mind. I hope we get a special way to army-build in 9th to compensate for our weird 3-faction codex but given GW history of working with us to make army building fun and adaptable I wont be holding my breath.

So much THIS.

I would't be too surprised if I ended up sticking with a Battalion and a Spearhead in 9th, as the only Wych contigent I currenly have are Reavers, which I found massively underwhelming.

 Blackie wrote:
I've always played drukhari with 9-10 CPs guaranteed plus additional 0-2 from the Prophets of Flesh trait and an extra couple from the Black Heart trait. Never had the feeling that I was low in CPs.

So, even if drukhari don't get special rules that allow them to bring multi-detachments without burning CPs I wouldn't freak out. Going 3x detachments will probably mean starting with 6-8 CPs plus 1CP/turn which is pretty close to the starting 9-10 CPs of 8th.

Some of us dont play Prophets of Flesh and/or Blackheart.

 warmaster21 wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
I've always played drukhari with 9-10 CPs guaranteed plus additional 0-2 from the Prophets of Flesh trait and an extra couple from the Black Heart trait. Never had the feeling that I was low in CPs.

So, even if drukhari don't get special rules that allow them to bring multi-detachments without burning CPs I wouldn't freak out. Going 3x detachments will probably mean starting with 6-8 CPs plus 1CP/turn which is pretty close to the starting 9-10 CPs of 8th.

Some of us dont play Prophets of Flesh and/or Blackheart.

6-8 CPs plus 1/turn is still the amount that a drukhari army tipycally needs, especially if the player is not relying on that 4CPs Agent of Vect stratagem. It's basically what they had in 8th anyway, sometimes even more.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/26/faction-focus-drukharigw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-4/

So by that we can infer patrol detachments cost 2cp.

 warmaster21 wrote:
So by that we can infer patrol detachments cost 2cp.

The Combat Patrol article explicitly states that the Detachment cost is 2cp for a Patrol.

Sterling191 wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:
So by that we can infer patrol detachments cost 2cp.

The Combat Patrol article explicitly states that the Detachment cost is 2cp for a Patrol.

you assume i had seen the Combat patrol article at the time, i had not, no need to be snippy

With Raiding Force we can take 3 Patrols for no CP cost.

yep and if we go full subfaction theres a chance to be up 1-2 with alliance/soothsayer

although the 0-2 on heavys and flyers may require some jiggery-pokery but depends a lot on if we need strats as our limited pool just lost lfr

I'm still on a bit of a downer with the implications of the new Flying rules and Hit Penalty caps for Kabal lists.

yep was kind of hoping they go with some kind of per model /source so cover or shooting moved heavy weapon still stacks up rather than the lazy choice, especially as rerolls are staying which germageddon aside would haved scared off all the aliatoc -2/-3 insanity

Anticipating that I might have to lean harder into Coven, I'm thinking about buying a Urien Rakarth. I have the option of the metal or the finecast version, has anybody any experience with the model that could advise which to go for?

 harlokin wrote:
Anticipating that I might have to lean harder into Coven, I'm thinking about buying a Urien Rakarth. I have the option of the metal or the finecast version, has anybody any experience with the model that could advise which to go for?

Get metal 100% for sure if you have that option.

Totally. Finecast is migraine in miniature form.

I had that very model in finecast, it was awful. Go for the metal Urien.

Well i got 12 reavers in the mail today. With these made i will be able to field 36 reavers with 12 in each of the 3 units. The goal was to have grav talons and blasters on 12 of em and to go the mortal wound on a 5+ per bike on the charge obsession as well as the +1 to wound vs vehicles and monsters at 10 or more wounds obsession. Hopefully it works out vs tau just fine.

The new coherency rules look like it will be a pain to run 6+ Grotesques in a unit. I don't think I'm smart enough to not get caught losing models.

 Oaka wrote:
The new coherency rules look like it will be a pain to run 6+ Grotesques in a unit. I don't think I'm smart enough to not get caught losing models.

Just bunch them up or run them using the movement trays GW sells. That way you'll be safe 95% of the time.

Looks like we might have a new Drukhari model incoming.....it looks a bit Wychy to me

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/30/the-rumour-engine-june-30th-2020/

New Lelith model?

Either dark eldar or skaven. I've seen enough skaven hand knives to see a possibility of either.

That said I think skaven paws have more sharp nails and thicker hands than dark eldar.

Yeah I think the knife looks more indicative of skaven.

my guess is another of those Warcry shadow elfs they preveiwed a bit before The Event, still bitz for the bitz box