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Why can't chaos marines use drop pods. They have had them as long as the loyal chapters have. There is even fluff about them use them in assaults. It just doesn't seem fair.

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The spikes get hung in the door, duh.

There's a reason CSM and Loyalists aren't the same...

fluff wise, they just don't have the fleet to support it.

There's a reason CSM and Loyalists aren't the same...

Enough said for the uptenth time on why chaos doesn't have A, or loyalists B item or weapon.

Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:There's a reason CSM and Loyalists aren't the same...

Enough said for the uptenth time on why chaos doesn't have A, or loyalists B item or weapon.

Remember, if you play Codex Space Marines as "counts as" chaos marines, they can have all the drop pods they want.

If you allow Forgeworld, then yes, Chaos can have Drop Pods in the form of Dreadclaw Assault Pods. You pay through the nose for them, but you can have them.

tzeentchling wrote:If you allow Forgeworld, then yes, Chaos can have Drop Pods in the form of Dreadclaw Assault Pods. You pay through the nose for them, but you can have them.

Yes, but you pay through the nose for them to take off again and deny their KPs.

Chaos don't often use drop pods to land forces, they use their Dreadclaws mostly for boarding actions in space.

gdurant wrote:fluff wise, they just don't have the fleet to support it.

What was the last novel you've read, because I beg to differ.

Asmodeus wrote:

gdurant wrote:fluff wise, they just don't have the fleet to support it.

What was the last novel you've read, because I beg to differ.

The Battle Fleet Gothic rulebook begs to differ as well.

gdurant, that just seems to be an all around ill-informed comment.

it doesent have to be a novel to support it fluff wise.
chaos have dreadclaws as mentioned, but its FW only, and somewhat expensive unless you start kitbashing chaos tank sprues with pods.
and yes, alot of chaos do use drops to get into battle, just because they are no longer loyal does not mean they will leave behind one of thier best transport options both looks wise and tactical.

Chaos have plenty of fleet, but they also have the fleet to support dreadclaws and stormbirds (or whatever they were called in Horus Rising) and even thunderhawks. The space marine fleets are dedicated to inserting Space Marines into battle zones, while the Chaos fleets are the same fleets as anybody else uses.

Game wise? It's simply a way to balance things and keep factions unique.

Giving Chaos some or all of the vehicle options Space Marines have would not yield the same lists. It's our non-vehicle units that separate us from SM.

Cheaper bikes, skimmers, Land Raider patterns, these would lead to different versions of their SM counterparts, imo.

But what's important to note is that it really doesn't matter right now because it's going to be a helluva long time before we get a codex update.

It's not just having the fleet to launch drop-pods, but it's also having the assets to retrieve them after the battle.

dietrich wrote:It's not just having the fleet to launch drop-pods, but it's also having the assets to retrieve them after the battle.

As well as the will and logistical planning to do so.

"So, who is going to pack up the drop pods today?"

"Aw Saaaarge... I wanna go raping and pillaging with you guys!"

"You can have fun with your friends when your chores are done!."

whitedragon wrote:

Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:There's a reason CSM and Loyalists aren't the same...

Enough said for the uptenth time on why chaos doesn't have A, or loyalists B item or weapon.

Remember, if you play Codex Space Marines as "counts as" chaos marines, they can have all the drop pods they want.

if you do counts as you can do whatever the hell you want, oh that's not a "o' that's not a tactical marine, that's marneus calgar, that's not a rhino turned on its side that's a drop pod, that's not a gaurdian with an ass load of green stiff on his head that's a wraithguard, those aren't boyz there nobz, those aren't orks, there my special super cool hey man mutant bloodletters"

Seriously why would you even bother posting that "not if it's counts as" tripe.

dietrich wrote:It's not just having the fleet to launch drop-pods, but it's also having the assets to retrieve them after the battle.

Dreadclaws do not have to be retrieved. They're capable of taking off again under their own power.

Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:

whitedragon wrote:

Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:There's a reason CSM and Loyalists aren't the same...

Enough said for the uptenth time on why chaos doesn't have A, or loyalists B item or weapon.

Remember, if you play Codex Space Marines as "counts as" chaos marines, they can have all the drop pods they want.

if you do counts as you can do whatever the hell you want, oh that's not a "o' that's not a tactical marine, that's marneus calgar, that's not a rhino turned on its side that's a drop pod, that's not a gaurdian with an ass load of green stiff on his head that's a wraithguard, those aren't boyz there nobz, those aren't orks, there my special super cool hey man mutant bloodletters"

Seriously why would you even bother posting that "not if it's counts as" tripe.

That seems short sighted
I do this all the time. I collected chaos, when the loyalist bug started to bite did the math. It was faster and cheaper to buy soem drop pods and refit a few terminators with loyalist weapons then to start from scratch. Obviously I don't use any 1k sons or world eaters, but my chaos landraid works pretty well as a loyalist raider.

Ps
I have a friend whose making a Dark eldar army using moded eldar models he's doing a good job so far they all look great.

dietrich wrote:It's not just having the fleet to launch drop-pods, but it's also having the assets to retrieve them after the battle.

Read "Storm of Iron" about the Iron Warriors siege citadel containing a SM geneseed stash. IW have enough of a fleet (and millenia of techinical loadout experience) that they are able to land the Legio Mortis (with the ever famous Dies Irae+ their daemonic engines + their own CSM + artillery+supplies. The takes specific care to mentiion that all these activities are going on almost simultaneously, thus making for an incredibly efficient and time-saving load-out. If the Legio Mortis can be retrieved back into orbit from the planet, I don't think it is really a stretch to think that Drop Pods could also be airlifted out.

they do theyre called dreadclaws and they are fliers, so you can disembark and fly the bloody thing to another part of the table. Dont worry when the new codexes (yes plural one for each chaos god plus one for undivided they will come back, most likely for undivided only though) So be patient and dream sweet little dreams of drop pods that arent immobolised when they land.

If a CSM player wanted to use a dreadclaw couldn't you just buy the imperial armour for the rules and convert one?

Someone actually said above throwing some chaos bits on a drop pod.

I've never ordered from FW so i really have no idea. Feel free to correct me...

Chaos can summon without scatter, have daemons, and eat babies. Thats why they cant have drop pods.

tzeentchling wrote:If you allow Forgeworld, then yes, Chaos can have Drop Pods in the form of Dreadclaw Assault Pods. You pay through the nose for them, but you can have them.

This is good to know, I did not know there was a rule such as this.