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So anyone here got it?I was thinking of it but would first like to know if its worth it.

Depends on what sorta games you like, if you are a RPG style games nut who also loved the collecting random weapons in Diablo and Diablo 2, odds are you'll probably love it.

If you only know Warcraft from the RTS games and play RPGs very occasionally I'd say its 50-50 on if you'd enjoy the game.

If you find the lore, the story of your characters fun however you will loose countless hours to this game as it is a great laugh if you do get into it.
Although I will stress although it can be used like a one player game, it is at its best as a social game and is much more fun if you find a good and friendly guild to run with. I probably wouldn't still be playing after two years if it wasn't for my guild.

Combat can be a little simple to other games, but abilities and tactics makes the game deeper than it looks. With time that becomes more apparent, and your talent points become more of an issue.

Main thing is it now easier to level than ever, there are still lots of races and classes to pick from, and you have plenty to do be it pve or pvp or both.

You see a lot of folks hating the game, but to be honest with the free trial my best advice is to try it.
I did that intially around 2yrs ago (Dec 06) and knew after four days I wanted to stay and fully subscribed. If you are still meh after the 10days expires I'd walk away, if this game hasn't got you after 10days it probably won't.

Hope that helps.

I played WoW since the original alpha testing of the game off and on, so around 5ish years I guess that'd be. I recently stopped playing again, but I would recommend at least giving the free trial a shot like Morathi recommended. I personally felt like I'd played the game into the ground, but there is a lot of content to explore for someone who's never played it before.

My one complaint with the easier leveling nowadays is that there's a lot of max level characters who seem like they don't know many basic things about the game since they leveled so fast. I know Blizz wants people to hop into end game right away now, but taking a little more time leveling lets people find out these facets of playing their class. Usually if you do a little research on your class you can find em out, but most people won't (and I don't blame em - that stuff should come naturally as you play, you shouldn't have to dig around for it)

That point aside, there's tons of stuff to do for someone who has never touched the game and I'd jump in and give it a try. Free feel to post here or PM if you have any questions about it.

It's very boring, monotonous, and unimaginative. Quests feel very much the same after 20 levels or so. It's always 'go there', 'kill that', or 'collect these'. Not fun at all. Then there's the face that every screaming 12-year-old and his dog play as death knights nowadays, making the other classes utterly redundant.

My exwife spends upto 20 hours aday on it... part of the reason she is now my ex

Yes, it is very much a life-stealer. The monotony draws you in and pins you down while the fees rape your wallet.

Death Knights aren't as good as first thought to be honest. I admit they are handy, excellent solo levellers regardless of spec imo, but in pvp they go down as easy as the next class, and quite surprisingly don't seem to require much of a nerf by Blizz as yet.

Also these are all old sterotypes once again dished out by folks who don't/never have played the game once again, or played for a relatively short period.

All the players I have played with don't see this boring grind folks mention. Tbh anyone who has played Final Fantasy VII, VIII or IX to compleation, or finished Morrowwind or Oblivion shouldn't even notice it tbh.

You are either a RPGer or you aren't at the end of the day, if you love RPG's it is very likely you'll love this, end of story.

Its super fun and addictive thats for sure.

Lvling is fast too , since you gain lvl pretty fast, you get to change zones often , thus lvling is never boring ( its not boring to me atleast , i had 7 lvl 70s and 1 80 DK )

The game caters greatly to variety of players. You can pretty much vs computer or vs other players and gain gears that way.

Dont let others fool you that pvp is blend, because its really not. Spec + talent trees are fully customizable and offers almost unlimited combos (not to mention further variation with gears )

Most people seem to start hating pvp after been beaten by cookie cutter builds , but if you like out thinking out manuvering your opponents , WoW pvp is for you.
( Im gladiator ranked on 4 of my chars , that never use cookie cutter builds , im always hybrid, thus the servers always give me nickname of Chimera )

Give it a try, like many others said " the bad thing is you spend too much time on it! " shows you how addicting it is lol.


*edit fighting DKs can either be really easy or impossibly hard. If you choose to go head to head and spam all your attacks
and hope to kill a DK, you'll always lose. DK's main weakness is how they spend their runes , and their CDs.

Keep track of what attacks they used ( what runes they used up ) and attack / retreat accordingly and force them to waste runes
on things other than the 2 DOTs ( without the 2 dots applied, DK moves are either TOTALLY not useable , or damage is severely reduced )

Ahem. I played for two years, and I got bored out of my skin. A lot of the talents and spells are carbon-copies of each other, and the leveling is TOO fast. It feels like Blizzard is holding your hand. The instances aren't challenging either. All the creeps are carbon-copies of a specific type (wolf, human, lizard, etc), just with a palette change.

Not to mention the god-awful player service and server congestion.

Well thanks to you all for your helpful replies,I love RPG's so maybe I'll give it a try.I really wanna get it as no one in my town plays warhammer of any sort,so I want a place to nerd-out once in awhile!

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Well thanks to you all for your helpful replies,I love RPG's so maybe I'll give it a try.I really wanna get it as no one in my town plays warhammer of any sort,so I want a place to nerd-out once in awhile!

Be careful which server you choose if you want to play for RP purpose. ( RP server of course ^^ )

The monthly fee is 15 dollars right?

EDIT-Is that the same for the EU servers?

Not sure on EU prices, but definitely pick EU servers

its proven better communities.

EU is £8.99 a month, not sure what the current rates are though.

Oh and Cheese Elemental - depends when you played, pre or after TBC. If pre, have no idea of a comparrison as I only played pre TBC for about 3weeks.

If after TBC came out, then fair dues, thats your call, I'd say Northrend is above and beyond anything TBC was myself though.

Regardless as I said some folks don't like it, even those who stuck it out for a while. Tbh I actaully prefer the changes, being married, kids and playing GW stuff means I can't throw in more than 10-15hours a week max, so if things help me lvl quicker, bonus.

I don't think its doing Blizz any harm though, as much as some of the 'hardcore' are whining otherwise.

Is that Euro's or pounds?

Pounds, can't remember what Euros price is off the top of my head, it does become cheaper if you find you like the game and subscribe for longer.

Think 6month sub works out at about £7.50ish a month

LunaHound wrote:

Most people seem to start hating pvp after been beaten by cookie cutter builds , but if you like out thinking out manuvering your opponents , WoW pvp is for you.
( Im gladiator ranked on 4 of my chars , that never use cookie cutter builds , im always hybrid, thus the servers always give me nickname of Chimera )

I'm not trying to be hugely negative here, but it became very obvious very quickly that WoW pvp is only about out manoeuvering and outthinking your opponents if everyone's gear is totally equal. The amount of time it takes to get a hold of the gear required to even compete is just absurd and very very off putting. Now that's just not right- you should be able to compete no matter what your gear is like. So for me, and many others, WoW pvp is sadly very broken. Fives minutes in T1 WAR shows you precisely what it should be about.
As I say, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a fanboi or anything at all. I'm just saying that WoW pvp isn't right. I love the rest of the game although I'm on a bit of a hiatus, and I would recommend it to anyone.

Yeah tier gear is an issue, although its not as bad as it was now its so easy to get decent epics.

For example my Rogue who is really my pvp alt, has got two purples from leatherworking, two from faction rewards, brought two daggers made by a blacksmith and a simple drop from Naxx I brought at the AH. She has then got six more from pvp rewards, three from Wintergrasp, the others from the Commanders hall, and she is doing really well. According to be-imba shes geared for Naxx 25mans and I've not done one Heroic with her yet.

Okay some folks would see that as a reason to pour scorn on the game, but I like it. Much better than TBC where it took me weeks of grinding honour to get the equivilent, and even then I was no where near good enough to go and do the 25mans in TBC.

Oh also.. Wintergrasp is where its at tbh, best battleground ever, only shame is the fact its got a 2 and a half hour cooldown otherwise I'd be in there all day.

I don't know what the south african price equivalent is but I know that on my server (EU-Sha'tar) there are a lot of south africans about, and I've heard there's even bigger populations elsewhere

Play Warhammer Online or Dungeons and Dragons: Stormreach. You'll get much more fun out of it.

Nah I THINK Ill stick to WOW,I like the lore and all that.The cartoony graphics are also more my style!

Chicago wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Most people seem to start hating pvp after been beaten by cookie cutter builds , but if you like out thinking out manuvering your opponents , WoW pvp is for you.
( Im gladiator ranked on 4 of my chars , that never use cookie cutter builds , im always hybrid, thus the servers always give me nickname of Chimera )

I'm not trying to be hugely negative here, but it became very obvious very quickly that WoW pvp is only about out manoeuvering and outthinking your opponents if everyone's gear is totally equal. The amount of time it takes to get a hold of the gear required to even compete is just absurd and very very off putting. Now that's just not right- you should be able to compete no matter what your gear is like. So for me, and many others, WoW pvp is sadly very broken. Fives minutes in T1 WAR shows you precisely what it should be about.
As I say, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a fanboi or anything at all. I'm just saying that WoW pvp isn't right. I love the rest of the game although I'm on a bit of a hiatus, and I would recommend it to anyone.

No worries , i completely understand what you want to say.

However , if Blizzard must be blamed, then we can only blame them for attempting to satisfy every type of player. Let me explain how WoW evolved PVP wise ( since i only played from Burning Crusade )

WoW was largely PVE when it first came out , everything was fine. Then Guild War came out , Blizzard not wanting to lose the competition, then introduced arena.

Now here is where the problems start to stem from , the player's perception on the efforts on acquiring items.

PVE raiders look down how Gears can be earned from PVP . Mostly bitter but 100% understandable as 25 men raids , or even 10 men raids become a pain to some guilds / servers.
One person messes up, and usually hours of work = gone.

PVPers realized PVE gears can be used as glass cannon, and works REALLY well on some classes, and of course its abused by smart raiders. Thus PVP also look down on PVErs.
Claiming scripted events / raids encounters are easy since aslong as you look up what to do, then its a piece of cake ( this is true , but often the 1 person that doesnt read the fight / encounters
end up pulling the rest of the group down )

Now blizzard sees this and tries to toggle back and forth to satisfy the 2 types of players.

Then new type of problem occures . Old raiders. They are usually tired of seeing raids fail over and over again , ends up been bitter and
NOT allowing new members to join raids. ( Yes this is heartless yet 1 person can easily mess up 25 people ) .


Blizzard totally understands how old raiders feel, and decides to make gears longer ( but not harder ) to obtain , to cater to Raider's "efforts"

This is why gear issue is abit complicated for WoW, its the mix of these 3 sides and blizzard tries to satisfy them all .
And yes blizzard tries to implement ways for the 3 types of players to acquire gears . ( making raid smaller , shorter . making
gears obtainable by both pve and pvp )

So as you can see this is all chaotic because every type of players wishes to be acknowledged for their time and effort :/

What do you guys think is the best class for a noob to start as?(in PVE)

They are all good, whats your play style?

The 3 talent trees allows you to change specs incase
you get tired of playing same one.

I was thinking either warrior,druid or mage.

Yea, Mage or Warrior: the tank and the powerhouse.

I found WAR pretty much just a ripoff of Wow and quite a bland an boring experience - both in PVP and without.

Aye Mage is nice, kills things quick as well so pretty quick lvling, also have the added bonus when you get to higher lvls, travelling arround the world really isn't an issue.

Nothing more fun than freezing several mobs, blizzard till they all go squish, and walk past the Rogue and Warrior wondering how you did that so fast. Hehe.


I really need to get back to lvling mine, but I'm on my Holy Priest and Deathknight atm. Too many alts.

Mage is a lot of fun but for an absolute beginner, isn't it slightly too squishy?

Druid might be a nice one to start because you can heal yourself, try out three different play styles- I'd also recommend paladin for this (plus you get the free paladin mount at 30 which is great news for a beginner's finances)

Aye I suppose Druid has a bonus with the different playstyles, especially with the two specs thing coming in with the next big update. I'd also throw in the Hunter normally but it wasn't mentioned.

Of course I play a lot of this game two player with my wife so forget about solo levelling sometimes. Have done loads of solo, don't get me wrong, but my Hunter was always with her Resto Druid, and my Holy Priest backs up her Hunter.

My Rogue, DK and the mage in question solo'd all the way though, plus a couple of Hunters to the 30 lvl. (I love pets what can I say ) But I hadn't touched a Mage until I'd been lvling the others for a while so had seen the freeze/blizzard/blink - repeat tactic in use by other players.

I do think a Mage is a fine class though, and at the end of the day, you have to learn somewhere. Hell I've known alot of folks pick Warriors first (just because you start as one on the class select screen - heh) and then find themselves not enjoying the tanking aspect and have to restart all over when they didn't really want to.

I think when I started I did about four or five alts to around lvl 10, and it was a Orc Rogue that took the lead. When I rerolled Alliance a couple of months in, a Hunter grabbed my attention out of a similar sized pack of four or five alts.

Testing the water a little bit never hurts in my view.

K im going to write a detailed explanation for ALL the classes , here i go! They'll be covered in their spec talent vs their roles.

Druid:

Talent 1: Cat form. Your stealthy dpser ( highest single target damage for druid )
Talent 2: Bear form. Your Tank class . ( highest armor value, highest dodge rate , cannot block or parry though )
Talent 3: Tree form. Your Heal Over Time class ( Fast cast, great heals, but it recovers hp bit at a time . Also nice mana regen )

*special notes: They are the only class that can shift into beneficial forms which gives them ALOT of oh **** buttons.
All shifting breaks snares. Druid = Night Elf = Shadow Meld. If your party is going to die, shadow meld last means you can get
out of combat safely.

Hunters:

Talent 1: Beast Type: You are dependent on your pet ALOT , which in turn they are alot stronger ( but if the pet dies of course, you are pretty much alone )
Talent 2: Bow Type: If you like strength purely dependent on your bow and arrows , this is the class.
Talent 3: Trap Type: Over all very strong class as it utilize lots of sneaky tactics , but requires constant calculations / planning in your moves while the skill used
are on cool down.

*special note: They can kite ( meaning hit and run while slowing you down with 2 of their skills . 1 ranged 1 melee ) They have blind spot for ranged which means
you are left with your weak melee + your pet . They have feign death , when used it usually helps you when raid wipes.

Mage:

Talent 1: Arcane: Lots of enhancement magic to make your attacks stronger , decent AOE support upgrades. You benefit from spell "slow"
Talent 2: Fire : Hard and stable single target dps , with lots of bonus in having your spells been able to stun your target.
Talent 3: Weaker single target dps, but surprisingly strong critical damage . You can summon ice elemental which can help you dps your target down fast.
They have nice ranged aoe Blizzard which helps slow enemy down too.

*special note: They are of course fragile since they wear cloth. But do NOT let this confuse you , mages are way tougher than people thinks.
They have MANY types of shield that protects them from any damage , when thats depleted mages have Blink ( teleport ) to keep distance .
They have Fade which makes them vanish from sight , and mix that with able to conjure water / food , they can eat back to full health and they run from your sight.
They also have "sheep" yes turns you into a sheep.... but the targets gains their HP back. This is used when you want to leave the target out of the combat
till you are ready to face it.

Paladin:

Talent 1: Healer Type : Nice single target heals.
Talent 2: AOE tank: They are excellent at holding bunch of monsters at once
Talent 3: Magical melee dpser . They hit extremely hard , ignore armor value , down side is their dps rely on mana.

*special note: They have 2 type of invulnerable skills. One that protects completely from physical attacks, and one thats immune to almost every attack.

Priest:

Talent 1: Buffing , surviving type .
Talent 2: Healing type ( great AOE heals )
Talent 3: Magic caster DPS type.

*special note: Shadow form can actually replenish your group's HP and MP when ever they deal damage.

Rogues:

Talent 1: Dagger Type , generally sneaky and requires proper positioning .
Talent 2: Can use many different type of weapon , less sneaky, generally made to go toe to toe direct combat.
Talent 3: Burst damages that comes from when you unstealth to attack your opponents.

*special note: They can open locked doors , treasure boxes. Can move around while stealthed.

Shaman:

Talent 1: Caster : Nice single and aoe lightening attacks.
Talent 2: Melee : If you like hitting things in melee, shaman can also enhance their weapons with different elements.
Talent 3: Healer : One of the most liked healer , point a target , it heals it + automatically heal 2 others automatically.

*special note: They are great buffers in forms of Totem. You place totem on the floor, the whole area receives buffs for 2 mins

Warlocks:

Talent 1: Damage over time enhanced. They are made so the instant cast they do hit for way harder over period of time.
Talent 2: Demon Type. Their pets are alot stronger , warlock himself able to benefit later to shift into demon themselves.
Talent 3: Direct damage type . Like a mage in a sense , relies on spells that damages right away.

*special notes: The skill "fear" is by far one of the most agitating spells according to players. It makes the target run around like
a headless chicken while they are been damaged. down side is when in a small area they can usually run into other areas and aggro
new monsters.


There are more, but not sure if this is helpful so i'll stop here.