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I'm not knocking the rating system really, and I love posting stuff in the gallery.

However....

I know I paint pretty darn well. I just love it that people can vote on a model and give it a crappy score for no other reason than maybe it isnt golden daemon quality or they simply dont like the choice in colors.

In rating paint jobs...I typically look and see if they highlight, can stay in the lines, or simply know how to drybrush.

I'm betting the person that rated my LR a 4 in my gallery probably doesnt even water his paints down or know to give reds more than one coat over a black primed model....much less posts his own stuff up here.

Normally I dont even care about ratings that my stuff gets...I just noticed this....and laughed.

I don't post my work onto the gallery for that reason. I post it on here in the forums and then have people C&C them. With all that crit I've become a much better painter.

Yeah, I posted some of my Squat IG stuff up there, which is all NMM; granted, not to Golden Daemon standards, but they DID win best painted at a GT: paintjobs: 5 or 6 for most of em haha

Oh well.

If you check my Grey Knights gallery its REAL funny.

My UNPAINTED terminator retinue is voted for paint exactly the same as my PAINTED one.

I also have a unpainted army photo rated a 7 on paintjob.

Basically people are not even paying attention to models before they vote. Those people should really not be even voting in the first place.

i think another major problem is the photo's. I know that mine picts don't always do my minis justice.
what makes me laugh the most is when i've posted 2 different angles of the same mini and the scores are so very different.

Well, what can you do...


Avrik, how do you get away with such a retardedly big signature...

AffliKtion wrote:Well, what can you do...


Avrik, how do you get away with such a retardedly big signature...

Because its cool!

bugger I forgot to post on topic.
I also agree with ya shane. I dont have any painted works on here mainly because what I HAD painted I got rid of, and my Orks ARNT painted yet. But on a similar not, it annoys me when I post my conversion, and tho not as awesome as some pros on here I know I can convert fairly well. It bugs me when people totally bash what I convert and tell me how I should basically fix EVERYTHING when Ive never seen anything they themselves have made. Just kindda bugs me

so you dont usually care, but you decided it needed a thread?
to be honest its not a bad job atall, but as said, not the best in the world.
possibly because its too plain?
not sure what makes everyone tick, but it could be a number of reasons.

It's just peoples own standards. I think most people on here are guilty of mass viewing interesting thread titles, only to be put of by poor paintjobs. Of course no-one ever admits that when the person who starts the thread complains about lack of comments.

Well, i'll be blunt and straight to the point here , forgive me :"P

-Dakka is a warhammer board with plenty of good painters, and plenty of great photos uploaded / viewed everyday.
To expect above average rating to minis we see daily bases is abit unfair to ask.

-Im glad you are confident in your paint skills , well as you should be, its pretty good.
Thus said, if you know its decent, why worry about what others score you with?
to the point of making a thread?

I mean its not a big deal unless:
a) ego issue /
b) you are worried about people with vendetta giving you low rating on purpose.

There are absolutely nothing we can do about those .

Just my opinion though, i know people think im pretty dumb, so dont take it to heart :3


I have a feeling you wont like what i just said, well cant be helped i guess.
So i'll get down to possible reasons why its not as high as you expected:

From what i can see ( if its a bad photo, then i dont know )

- It doesnt look finished
- White doesnt have shading
- Black doensnt have high light
- The silver looks off. The silver is supposed to look SO pure that it gives off a blue sheen.
Not blue shading, ( in other words too blue )
- The grey for the decoration ( wing or sword ) is too similar to the rest of the silver
- The glass on copula are same color as the rest of the armor ( contributed to unfinished look )
- Yellow it self is out of place, having coated over black itself made it stick out even more

If you can't accept somebody's opinion, don't put them up. I understand that some people don't look, but let's rhetorically say that somebody did look at your painted work, and critiqued it, and gave it a 4, would you care as much?

The "Well you do better!" attitude cuts no mustard.

sA

You know shane, that high horse attitude of yours

So what if some people cant paint as nice as you, that doesnt mean they dont know good painting from bad painting.
Their painting experience is IRRELEVANT ( to a degree , though they arnt here to judge golden demon award )

Now i dont think i give you a 4 ( probably a 5 or 6 ) and i certainly dont thin my paints
nor do i paint multiple coats. Does that take away my rights to score it?

I personally think its a bit wierd that people do tend to vote on if they like the model or not.

I mean I vote based on the paint job and if there are decent mods. I don't vote on if I like 40k or not, or if I think eldar are gak models, or if I really hate the colour yellow being used.

I've come across way too many images in the gallery so far that have rediculosly low ratings when they shouldnt, and ones that are 8 and above that are below table top quality.

I kinda stopped caring about my own at that point, because a lot of the voting isint based on if its a decent paint job it seems. Don't get upset about it, its still a good way to get feedback, and surely thats the main point!

Totally off-topic:
Luna, that is what now, the 12th Avatar in 4 weeks?

@Shane: what Luna said.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Totally off-topic:
Luna, that is what now, the 12th Avatar in 4 weeks?

@Shane: what Luna said.

I cant help it!

this avatar actually have a moon ( luna ) and wolves ( well hounds :/ )

I knew when I made the switch to mean average voting that there would be a lot of threads like this coming. The switch to 'no minimum votes required' was made so that there are more pictures of miniatures and less of wip bits of plasticard, so people would enjoy browsing more. Getting people to vote is still an ongoing project (I actually just updated it this morning), and I am continually tweaking the algorithms and implementing new features to encourage fair voting. However, there are plenty of bad votes which will take a while to get phased out so all I can say is be patient, the average score will reflect the true worth of a picture over time, but 22000 images means 110,000 votes and we only get about 1000 votes per day (50% of which go to images with more than 5 votes already).

All I can say is dont worry about your scores, things will settle down over time and I'm working on improving it.

I'm personally amused by the fact that my WIP pics of one of my Necron Lords rates higher than any of the finish pictures of him. In fact his score seems to go down the closer he gets to done.

You're right, that is funny!

I was a little upset at some of the low scores on some of my miniatures until I started getting painting votes on unpainted and primed miniatures and realized that the average intellegence of mankind doesn't necessarily increase when you isolate it to the gaming community.

thalor, rambling

Relative to other pictures on the gallery, I do rate it a 4. It is better than most I see in person though. Also the picture quality doesn't help.

Thalor wrote:I was a little upset at some of the low scores on some of my miniatures until I started getting painting votes on unpainted and primed miniatures and realized that the average intellegence of mankind doesn't necessarily increase when you isolate it to the gaming community.

thalor, rambling

Hehe, well said

I only post pics of my minis here to give people some examples of my work and to get some C&C so i can improve my skills. I take all my pics on my phone using a bright light, an auto-focus and a payslip from work to provide a white background. If i was particularly fussed about getting high ratings for my work, i would pester one of the two professional photographers that i live with to do some decent photography for me.

Shane, your minis are excellent; a ways above tabletop quality at my FLGS. Don't get miffed at a couple of low ratings mon. As Lego says; things should even themselves out over time!

This is the other thing thats funny about dakka.

I post a thread that basically says "Isnt it weird how my UNPAINTED army has a score of 7 in painting?"

....then WC haterz come on board and say I need to get off my high horse. Stay on topic, we know you hate us....enough on that. I dont understand how what I posted translates into narcisism.

Reread my posts there guys. I dont care what people rate me...I simply find it funny.


(and no, I'm not going to get all of my "gang" to go and rate you poorly....that's not what I'm on about.)

Deadshane1 wrote:

I post a thread that basically says "Isnt it weird how my UNPAINTED army has a score of 7 in painting?"

To be fair to all the other posters, you didn't mention this in your initial post. You simply said that you felt that your stuff was being badly judged.

Personally i'm quite happy getting 4 for a couple of my minis as the quality on this site is pretty high!

i think that only finished mini's should be able to be uploaded, i hate seeing 100's of WIP shots of a model, i rather just rate the final product, hence why i leave them.

JD21290 wrote:i think that only finished mini's should be able to be uploaded, i hate seeing 100's of WIP shots of a model, i rather just rate the final product, hence why i leave them.

Aye, or 20 shots of the same model in slightly different poses, or updating a wip every 5 minutes into the painting :(
Browsing the gallery can get very annoying when you get the exact same model 4 times in a row, or a streak of just primed/half assembled ones.

J.Black wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

I post a thread that basically says "Isnt it weird how my UNPAINTED army has a score of 7 in painting?"

To be fair to all the other posters, you didn't mention this in your initial post. You simply said that you felt that your stuff was being badly judged.

Personally i'm quite happy getting 4 for a couple of my minis as the quality on this site is pretty high!

Yea, but "to be fair"...people are busting my ballz for being all 'hurt' that I didnt get a higher rating...and if you read my posts that's not what I was talking about.

I find it strange that the rating system is skewed and isnt really accurate in any sense.

shane: no rating system will ever be "fair" as not everyone has the same views and standards of painting / converting.
so yes, it will be skewed all the time.
its just something you have to deal with i guess as theres no chance everyone will start thinking the same.

yes, it is a pain in the ass at times, but its how it works i guess.




Ifalna: i know, earlier i saw 30 pics of the same thing over and over, including an amazing one of a plain 60mm monster base, just as they allways look.
i think something like a 3 model cap limit would work well, but, its done slightly differently.
rather than a single pic in the gallery you should be able to upload 3-5 or so of the same model and have them on the same page, that way you can see more than 1 view and it wont use up space with the same thing.

Ifalna wrote:

JD21290 wrote:i think that only finished mini's should be able to be uploaded, i hate seeing 100's of WIP shots of a model, i rather just rate the final product, hence why i leave them.

Aye, or 20 shots of the same model in slightly different poses, or updating a wip every 5 minutes into the painting :(
Browsing the gallery can get very annoying when you get the exact same model 4 times in a row, or a streak of just primed/half assembled ones.

Recent changes to the software mean that this wont happen anymore. Try it out again.