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Any guesses on how long to the Soulblight are available outside the launch box? I do not need enough minis out of it to justify picking it up, but want the rules and some of the other new models not in it.

Depends. On average it's usually a month after release. Sometimes it's hyper fast though.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Depends. On average it's usually a month after release. Sometimes it's hyper fast though.

Thanks.

Fingers crossed. Just started a Path to Glory League, Don’t want to get too far into it before everything gets rewritten.

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.

easier to pick up the models you want on ebay over buying the box and try to sell the Stormcast half

Also that being a Legacy army, most people who care already have enough Clan Rats for not buying another 80 just to get a unit of plastic Jezzails

That would still require someone to buy a box to part it out. Its a zero sum game.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.

TFW you talk big about buying the new AoS starter to use in Warhammer Fantasy but then realize you're about to spend $265 for 40 clanrats.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Forget all that junk. The Skeletons are finally here. Including a rather fine novel for Ushoran that i didn't know existed until today:

That's a def purchase, the cover is just beautiful

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Depends. On average it's usually a month after release. Sometimes it's hyper fast though.

I think more than once we've had them go on sale almost a week later. So yes it can sometimes come very fast, Soulblight might well lean on coming faster since it feels like they've been on a bit of a delay.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.

easier to pick up the models you want on ebay over buying the box and try to sell the Stormcast half

Also that being a Legacy army, most people who care already have enough Clan Rats for not buying another 80 just to get a unit of plastic Jezzails

That would still require someone to buy a box to part it out. It's a zero sum game.

Lets also not forget the bad precedent this box opened by discontinuing a large portion of 3 year old stormcasts.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Lets also not forget the bad precedent this box opened by discontinuing a large portion of 3 year old stormcasts.

For me, this really damaged the interest that I had in AOS, despite me having no interest in Stormcast at all.

If they can invalidate numerous units from the poster boy faction, then what's next?

And thank god that I never assembled my Beastmen on round bases.

I'm in this hobby most likely for life, so I like to think that anything that I invest my hobby time in won't be be invalidated before I've even finished painting an army, or before I've even assembled it

The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.

Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.

At least in Germany the christmas boxes apparently did not sell very well.
You can for example at the moment get a FEC box for 120 Euro (original price is 190).

I wouldn't read too much into that - Christmas boxed sets can sometimes last for ages even for fairly major armies - it really depends on a lot of variables.

Plus lets not forget GW products don't devalue so there isn't the same pressure on retailers and the market ot shift stock superfast. Of course retailers (esp 3rd parties) have pressure to shift stock quickly because of the need to generate regular profit; so its not as if there's no pressure.




And yeah GW removing models after 3 years is pretty rare for a main army - esp the poster army of the game. It was made worse that the announcement went out before they announced replacement models so that really jaded a lot of Stormcast fans even when some of the removed models were replaced with new updated sculpts.

But still its not a good nor healthy thing for the game. A 3 year old model might be only 1 year or a few months old to some players who started an army recently. I suspect a good number of people didn't even get those models to a table to play or only played a few games before they vanished.


The removal of Beastmen to put them back into Old World was a double blow on AoS and when you've STILL got Dark Elf models kicking around with no clear plan as to what GW intends to do with them it just makes AoS feel "unstable" which really isn't want you want from a wargame. Rules are one thing, but models really should be stable

Yeah, I agree with you.

Also the official argument IIRC was that the stormcast range is too bloated.... For then release more stormcasts in this new edition set.

Savage orcs was another of my factions and I fear for the spiderfangs too.

Then beastmen.

I mean if you really want to discontinue things like this then yeah people will just not trust the game continuity and fork 300-400£ in a new faction.

Hopefully that means that some cheap versions of Skaventide show up on eBay. I don't play AOS but I like to pick up the launch boxes. I've been interested in picking up some more Skaven since Island of Blood. Unfortunately the price for the contents of Skaventide has kept me away so far since the Stormcast side isn't worth much to me.

The Skaventide part of the AoS boxed set was welling out faster than the stormcast last I checked. But yeah if you want cheap Skaven from Skaventide you kind of missed the boat a bit - though there will still be good cheap prices out there, just not as good as when it was fresh on sale.

Heck you can still get Leviathan split sets now for 40K but they just aren't as cheap as they were way back when it launched.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Also the official argument IIRC was that the stormcast range is too bloated.... For then release more stormcasts in this new edition set.

I hope this all forces GW to realize that no matter how much they shove them down our throats, Stormcast are NOT Space Marines. My nephew is starting to drool over Skaven, and I'm warning him against getting a starter box because of the included Stormcast.

 NAVARRO wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.

Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.

...Deathwatch. the outcry against it is the only thing that saved them.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Also the official argument IIRC was that the stormcast range is too bloated.... For then release more stormcasts in this new edition set.

Savage orcs was another of my factions and I fear for the spiderfangs too.

Then beastmen.

I mean if you really want to discontinue things like this then yeah people will just not trust the game continuity and fork 300-400£ in a new faction.

I think it was just poor timing, the next starter box will no doubt contain a new sacrosanct chamber. If theyd squatted the old ones and gave immediate replacements like with the liberators i dont think anyone would have complained.

As for spiderfang, i expect every Warhammer fantasy to be replaced/removed in the coming years, so they can repackage them for old world. Its the only reason armies like skaven, vampire counts and dark elves werent included in the original faction list.

Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models


You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s




Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models


You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s




Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)

I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though

James12345 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models


You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s




Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)

I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though

There's strong hints Chaos Dwarves are heading to AoS

The thing is Cathay were on the cards right from the first ideas of relaunching the game. We do know its selling really well but I still see Cathay as the mark of the end of old stuff beyond perhaps another print-on-demand type old stuff release. It's the "new models" en-mass point and should be a turning point where Old World starts to upgrade more of its line.

 Overread wrote:

James12345 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models


You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s




Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)

I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though

There's strong hints Chaos Dwarves are heading to AoS

The thing is Cathay were on the cards right from the first ideas of relaunching the game. We do know its selling really well but I still see Cathay as the mark of the end of old stuff beyond perhaps another print-on-demand type old stuff release. It's the "new models" en-mass point and should be a turning point where Old World starts to upgrade more of its line.

I hope CHORFS are not heading to AOS.
I would love to do an army of silly hatted little dudes, ala their 90s style.
The only thing stopping me is Legends allocation.

James12345 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models


You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s




Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)

I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though

Heres the thing - Cathay was sculpted and going into tooling before a singke TOW product was released. Putting plastic kits like this into production is not a quick process, there is no reality in which Cathay wasnt already slated for production on release day.


ANd yes Chorfs are heading for AoS.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.

Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.

...Deathwatch. the outcry against it is the only thing that saved them.

I'm convinced the outcry over the Deathwatch pre-emptively saved the Daemons, too.

 BorderCountess wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.

Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.

...Deathwatch. the outcry against it is the only thing that saved them.

I'm convinced the outcry over the Deathwatch pre-emptively saved the Daemons, too.

I see, I guess no one saw it coming for AoS or simply there was not enough Stormcast fans. Because lets face it Stormcast are not Space marines and it was a bit naive of GW to think they could replicate the decade long charm appeal of Spacemarines on a new system that was born from the explosion of fantasy battles.

Im surprised with the return of the old world so soon after it was cancelled and it's now being supported to the extent of having full new factions in plastic. I mean the resources for that are huge.

Bone rules and talk:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jellrva2/deathrattle-army-set-this-skeleton-legion-has-a-bone-to-pick-with-the-mortal-realms/

a king and his knights are going to be a wall.

As someone who only uses Deathrattle(and printed skeleton mage Necromancers) in my army, I'm liking what I see so far.

Curse looks powerful -1 save for the rest of the battle is strong. Even if it can only affect a unit once, get that unit charging around the battlefield and curse a couple of units and you've really hampered your opponent!