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Oh yes, its that time of year again when GW decide to up there prices. If you have saw the new imperial guard battle forces on the online stores then youll know about it.

June 1st 2009- d day (dooms day)

For me this could be the final nail in the coffin for my buying GW mini`s. The good thing for me at least is having been collecting for years, i have a horde of stuff so have no problem.

What concerns me is new people getting into the hobby are going to be few and far between. I admit i spend a lot of cash in GW stores but this increase has seriously dented what i am willing to pay for simple plastic and metal toys.

The new prices mean you could effectively get a death korps army from forge world cheaper than you can but a plastic cadian or jungle fighter force.

Im all for GW staying in business but this is not the way to do so, not in these times. Reaper mini`s are reducing prices and there reason for doing so, cos less people are paying and playing the game.

Yes i know GW will never lower its prices but putting them up at this time is not right, they for the better of there business should have had a price freeze. The last price rise was based on the price of oil and led etc... But now if you look you can see the price of these falling by almost more than half. So why do GW need a price rise and will they explain it this time?

What are your thoughts on this and will you be put off buying GW stuff?

Increasing prices with an ever weakening demand = fail.

How many years in a row has GW been in the red? Why not try something that works, like decreasing prices enough to boost demand

No reason not to do all your GW shopping on eBay... just too expensive anywhere else.

There are 2 existing threads on this already .
started last week.

is there ah sorry, my search didnt bring anything up

Dude wrote:Increasing prices with an ever weakening demand = fail.

How many years in a row has GW been in the red? Why not try something that works, like decreasing prices enough to boost demand

No reason not to do all your GW shopping on eBay... just too expensive anywhere else.

Im not saying you are right or wrong, but you (or I, to be fair) have no idea what would be good for GW financially. I like how in these sorts of threads every IT vet and GameStop employee has a masters in business. Maybe they are doing what is best, you have no idea. Maybe they are doing worse than you think, you have no idea. Decreasing prices may not boost demand, you have no idea. As a general theory sure, but don't assume you can officially fix GW since you post on Dakka.

Sorry nothing personal it just happened to be you who posted something like this first.

Decreasing Prices is a very difficult thing to do. Store owners don't mind when prices go up, because their inventory gains greater value. Decreasing prices reduces the value of their inventory and essentially loses them money.

PanamaG wrote:

Dude wrote:Increasing prices with an ever weakening demand = fail.

How many years in a row has GW been in the red? Why not try something that works, like decreasing prices enough to boost demand

No reason not to do all your GW shopping on eBay... just too expensive anywhere else.

Im not saying you are right or wrong, but you (or I, to be fair) have no idea what would be good for GW financially. I like how in these sorts of threads every IT vet and GameStop employee has a masters in business. Maybe they are doing what is best, you have no idea. Maybe they are doing worse than you think, you have no idea. Decreasing prices may not boost demand, you have no idea. As a general theory sure, but don't assume you can officially fix GW since you post on Dakka.

Sorry nothing personal it just happened to be you who posted something like this first.

No offense taken! I have no clue how to fix GW, I just know that this has been the model they have followed for years and while it worked to a point, the last couple (not sure how many exactly) shareholder reports have them in the red. When all else fails, go back to basic economics

Decreasing Prices is a very difficult thing to do. Store owners don't mind when prices go up, because their inventory gains greater value. Decreasing prices reduces the value of their inventory and essentially loses them money.

Very true, but (I assume) store owners would rather see that inventory be sold instead of just sitting on the shelf... overpriced.

I spend the same amount of money on GW minis every month that I have for the last 4 years.
Yearly price rises and a delving into the Black Library meant I was almost buying no minis and just books and codii.

Then I found Maelstrom games (and there are plenty of other internet discount sellers, ebay etc) and now for the same money I get 30% more and I'm buying more volume wise than I did 4 years ago.

However my local GW store loses out and GWUK get the increased sales.

Like Gonads, I too use Maelstrom Games UK for virtually everything I buy. Just yesterday I pre-ordered duplicates of almost every new Guard release (including 6 Valks) plus a pair of Shadowswords.

To buy them here in Australia would have cost me close to AUD$1400. From Maelstrom it cost me just over AUD$900. GW can raise their prices, but as long as places like Maelstrom exist, I'll keep buying from them and not from GW direct.

Ebay, fellas, Ebay...

they have 50 million reserve in 40k alone
nuff said
gw get a life

JourneyPsycheOut wrote:Decreasing Prices is a very difficult thing to do.

Reaper doesn't seem to be having too many problems with it...

JourneyPsycheOut wrote:Store owners don't mind when prices go up, because their inventory gains greater value. Decreasing prices reduces the value of their inventory and essentially loses them money.

Fair enough, but stores also know customers understand value. Especially as the economy gets worse and worse. I know I just picked up five blisters of reaper, but only one blister of GW and a WD that was missing from my collection. Aside from my WD subcription, I know what little I am spending is going to go straight to Reaper.

PanzerSmurf wrote:Ebay, fellas, Ebay...

Ebay's kinda quiet. From what I've seen, everyone has sold off what they have, and it's just turnover of current releases at a bit less more than 20% off.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I'm going to have me a shiny new Guard Codex for all my old minis. No plans on buying anthing new, I have all I need. Possibly a Valk or two for the Stormtroopers in a year when the hype is over and there's a stockpile of them on Ebay.

/agree GW is getting way way too expensive. It's been a long time since I even considered buying new GW products for anything besides filling in small gaps in my collection. I still buy stuff from my local shop from time to time just because a) sometimes I just want something right now and b) I want to support them. Gone are the days of walking into the store when I want to start a new army, though. The price of GW products has far outpaced the perceived value as far as I'm concerned. Now I cringe every time I have to buy anything new off of the shelf.

Dead Memories wrote:is there ah sorry, my search didnt bring anything up

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What's the closest thing to Maelstrom games in the US? There are plenty of discount stores; but none that are as cheap as Maelstrom. At least not that I can find.

I think Maelstrom will deliver to the US, seeing as our Antipodean Contempories can make massive savings from them!

As for GW and prices, it's not as black and white as you might think.

Being a PLC (Public Limited Company) they have a legal obligation to their share holders to maximise profit potential, which of course means keeping overheads down, and upping prices. Maelstrom Games adjusted their prices back down not only due to the materials getting cheaper, but also because they had a drop off in orders. Their price drop might work, but of course it might not, in respect to the latter.

And to be fair to GW, in working to move more models into plastic rather than metal they are keeping prices surprisingly static. Thus far the only repackaging to fly in the face of this are the Catachans and Cadians, which I am puzzled by. I can see some wisdom in splitting it down to 10 models rather than 20 (less chance of unused models knocking around) but making them £12? Derp!

And worry not, GW will still get the usual incoming players. Pretty much always have done. It's been that has been defeating them of late!

jflesch wrote:What's the closest thing to Maelstrom games in the US? There are plenty of discount stores; but none that are as cheap as Maelstrom. At least not that I can find.

There doesn't need to be a Maelstrom in the US. Maelstrom deliver to the US for free. And with your current exchange rate, there's no reason not to.

Grotsnik wrote:I can see some wisdom in splitting it down to 10 models rather than 20 (less chance of unused models knocking around)

Unused models kicking around? Do you think GW actually cares about that? You think that's even part of the 'wisdom' that went into the 20-to-10 conversion idea? Really?

Again with the selective quoting. Instead of trying to make a point where there is none, why not just read all I typed instead of looking for offence.

I believe the closest thing the Maelstrom games is Neil at the Warstore.. I think that's his site.

I've bought things besides 40K from Neal. BTech stuff, sabol trays, but not 40K. Yes, as petty as it may sound, the complete lack of shopping cart is a turn off (not that that's Neal's fault). Besides, it is really hard to complete with free shipping when you live as far away from the rest of the world as I do.

Grotsnik - The rest of your post was your standard GW apologist stuff. No sense in replying to that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:



Unused models kicking around? Do you think GW actually cares about that? You think that's even part of the 'wisdom' that went into the 20-to-10 conversion idea? Really?

Wow i actually agree with hbmc

If GW cares about extra bits they would for example split ork boys into 2 boxes

1 for slugga and 1 for ....... forgot the other one's name lol

Why they didnt , imo is why GW is so ineffective at managing their prices. Just look back and see how much extra bits we all have
from every other army. There is always atleast 25-30% worth in bits left. Now wouldnt that be nice if all GW price are 30% off their current price.

Decreasing Prices is a very difficult thing to do. Store owners don't mind when prices go up, because their inventory gains greater value. Decreasing prices reduces the value of their inventory and essentially loses them money.

Yip, my LGS owner was downright pissed at the last price drop (cause I live in Canada and we were paying nearly an half again what the Americans right next door were) because he had to sell a bunch of stuff at prices lower than what he bought them whole sale for. He got really pissed at you if you bought a Scouts box for instance.

More bad news in the price rise. If anyone has been on the GW website thats interested in the new empire models. The greatswords will cost £25 a box. Also for the US users terminator boxes $60 which is about 30 to 35 GBP`s

Let's be honest about this guys, although there will be a lot of moaning about the prices, most on the board will still buy GW models. It's something I can't my head around why you keep on doing it, but you do. I have nothing against GW or their business practice, I just like variety, which although you can have with GW forces, the variety comes at a high price. Think about it, you build a 1500 - 2000pt force, then another force grabs your attention (which is a default mode for us gamers ), so you have to spend the same amount of money to build up a similar force in your new chosen race... and repeat.

For me games like Urban War, Rules of Engagement, Infinity, Hell Dorado, AK47 allow me to build decent armies (for pleasure & tourny's), but also if I want to try another faction/force/army I can do without having to spend a fortune. For the cost of building a 40k force I can have 4 - 5 Urban War factions, or 3 RoE armies. This gives me variety and keeps me interested.

People say that recession is a silly time to put their prices up... why? If you are in a job and earning money your disposible income is likely to of increased. Interest rates are down, so paying less on the mortgage, fuel prices are down on what they were, same with food, electic & gas. Most people are only spending less because they are concerned that they may lose their jobs, not because they don't have any money.

OT slighty, but I can't see the real logic in that. I mean how many people can save enough in a month to cover their bills? If you are able to put away £300 a month (to cover job loss) how long will it take thes people to give them enough to cover a normal months bills? Lets be generous here and say 3 months to raise £900. So you lose your job next month, how long do you think it will take for you to find a job in a recession? For a years saving you maybe lucky enough to give yourselves 3 - 4 months to find a job before you use up those savings. However if you spent some of those saving in the high street, you are potentially saving jobs by keeping businesses going. Just a thought.

I'm good on Termis for a while, so no worries there.

But the new IG battleforces, while the price has been raised 5 bucks, now include a command squad as well. The Cadian battleforce had two squads, three heavy weapons teams, and a Russ, and now they've switched out the Russ for a Sentinel and a command team. And raised the price. It's a cop-out, I'll say, but still a pretty good deal.

Plus, there's always the Warstore for us Yankees. That'll save you some money.

I agree there with you there wolfstan, people still buy no matter what. But now on seeing some of the new rises people will stop buying, it has went beyond a joke. For a new guard player for instance at the minute you can buy 20 for £18, when the new guard come out you can get 10 for £12 but when the prices go up in june you pay £15 for 10 guardsmen with the same heads, bodies and 2 special weapons. Empire players can buy 2 greatsword boxes metal ones for the same price as a plastic squad of 10. Do you see yourself paying £40 plus for a land raider for instance or £35 for a box of terminators. I have spent some money on this hobby but there comes a time when you have to look at your priorities. I wont quit the hobby as i enjoy it, i just wont be buying. As you said there are plenty other wargames out there and many are better than GW and far, far cheaper. RIP GW

Don't all the new infantry kits come in £12 boxes now? IG were repackaged to fit this pattern.

Has it been confirmed if they come wiith a heavy weapon or not? because if they don't there's a whole bunch of figure redundancy right there.

No Heavy Weapon. Odd isn't it!

I wonder though. The new Empire Archers are listed as £15. The other Empire Infantry are £12. So perhaps there is a price rise in the offing?

I don't think the Guard will go up though. Their Battlforce is already advertised at the higher price, to put the price up on one release, and not the other, seems somewhat arse about face?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:No Heavy Weapon. Odd isn't it!

I wonder though. The new Empire Archers are listed as £15. The other Empire Infantry are £12. So perhaps there is a price rise in the offing?

I don't think the Guard will go up though. Their Battlforce is already advertised at the higher price, to put the price up on one release, and not the other, seems somewhat arse about face?

...and slowly piece by piece we break Mad Doc's programming...