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Liquidwulfe wrote:

Blackarandras wrote:The problem with the KFF bubble is that it is a cover save and IG have pie plates that ignore cover.

IG has one pie plate that ignores cover. I highly doubt that you will see it very often.

Vendettas can take two str4 ap5 pies that ignore cover
Leman Russ Eradicator has a str6 ap4 pie that ignores cover
Collosus has a str6 ap3 pie that ignores cover

also
Hellounds can move 12" and place a str6 ap4 template 12" away that ignores cover
Banewolf can move 12" and fire a str1 ap3 poison template + str5 ap4 heavy flamer
Deathstrike has a D3 + 3" blast that ignores cover.

also there is the "Fire on my target" order that makes the target unit re-roll successful cover saves