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Oh and woman have boobs is an unchangeable fact and the fact that the guy who made them didn't even freaking paint them is great.

So you glued heads on male bodies and then sent them off to get painted. Then you posted on here to have people say you rock is really sad.

Next time please try to model them right and then paint them yourself.

MauleedlovesYakeface:

Your posts in this thread have been hostile, inflammatory and unacceptable by Dakka standards. You have insulted Doctor Thunder personally, which is strictly forbidden by Dakka Rule #1 (click on the link in my sig to see all the Dakka rules). I don't know why you feel the need to attack him simply because you don't like his work and other people do. Regardless of the reason, this behavior is strictly forbidden.

If you persist in this kind of post, you will receive a temporary suspension from Dakka.

Thank you.

Iorek wrote:MauleedlovesYakeface:

Your posts in this thread have been hostile, inflammatory and unacceptable by Dakka standards. You have insulted Doctor Thunder personally, which is strictly forbidden by Dakka Rule #1 (click on the link in my sig to see all the Dakka rules). I don't know why you feel the need to attack him simply because you don't like his work and other people do. Regardless of the reason, this behavior is strictly forbidden.

If you persist in this kind of post, you will receive a temporary suspension from Dakka.

Thank you.

Bow before the will of the almighty MOD EMPEROR, you Heretic scum! achem... sorry... couldn't resist.

Doc has some very good points in that last post, btw. I like the one were the GW design guys give a big thumbs up on female space marines. Maybe we'll get a line of them yet... heh heh heh...

BaronIveagh wrote:

Doc has some very good points in that last post, btw. I like the one were the GW guys give a big thumbs up on female space marines. Maybe we'll get a line of them yet... heh heh heh...

Oh, I seriously doubt it. But it does give us a really good insight into the tone and attitude that the GW guys have towards the hobby. They believe that there is room at the table for everyone, and so do I.

Doctor Thunder wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

Doc has some very good points in that last post, btw. I like the one were the GW guys give a big thumbs up on female space marines. Maybe we'll get a line of them yet... heh heh heh...

Oh, I seriously doubt it. But it does give us a really good insight into the tone and attitude that the GW guys have towards the hobby.

Eh, maybe not, but we might get some better modeled SoB though...

I really Like them especially after they have been painted. I find that the "normal" armor is far more realistic from an armoring perspective. Molding breasts on to armor would create a trap for projectiles. Historically, body and Tank armor, much of the benefit gained from armor was gained by making impacts glance from armor. Hello sloped armor. Plus I have always found that marine heads are always out of scale. The elf heads really make the armor look hulking. So while I do not have a desire to make my own female marines. I have no issues with them regarding Fluff, and I really like his models. Keep up the good work DR T.

Neil

P.S. @ the individuals who seem to have great issue at the conversions being a "mere" head swap, I say... Sometimes simplicity is a far more elegant solution.

neiltj1 wrote:I really Like them especially after they have been painted. I find that the "normal" armor is far more realistic from an armoring perspective.

I've tried it both ways. With the Black Widows, I tried resculpting their armor, and with these conversions, I just did a simple head swap.

Truth be told, I'm not completely pleased with either approach.

Doctor Thunder wrote:

neiltj1 wrote:I really Like them especially after they have been painted. I find that the "normal" armor is far more realistic from an armoring perspective.

I've tried it both ways. With the Black Widows, I tried resculpting their armor, and with these conversions, I just did a simple head swap.

Truth be told, I'm not completely pleased with either approach.

Did you try a slight alteration on the hip/torso ratio and a head swap? Might work.

Mastiff wrote:Fantastic work, and kudos for not letting small minds bring you down. I'm always happy to see people have fun with their projects, rather than letting someone they've never met dictate what is and isn't acceptable. The heads work really well, and the vast gap between the legs always worked better for the female physiology than the male.

I'm now going to add a female marine or two to my chapter. Just for spite.

Okay, so now everyone that doesn't like them is just "small-minded"?

bs. Whatever happened to the days when you could disagree with someone without being put down for it? Most people posting have had pretty good reasons for disliking the conversions*, in my opinion. Doesn't mean he can't make the models or that he has to change them at all, just means we aren't all sheep bleating the same damn thing at each other.

If all you want to hear is praise and don't want people to give you their honest opinions then don't post your work on a public forum.



*Except for whatshisname's argument, "OMG put b00bs on them or they aren't girLS!!1"...I'm wiling to buy that a woman in hulking Space Marine armor wouldn't have to have breasts fashioned onto her breastplate. If you've ever seen a woman in modern day military garb, body armor and all, it's not always that easy to tell they're girls. It makes perfect sense that the armor would be big enough to hide everything.

Sidstyler wrote:

Mastiff wrote:Fantastic work, and kudos for not letting small minds bring you down. I'm always happy to see people have fun with their projects, rather than letting someone they've never met dictate what is and isn't acceptable. The heads work really well, and the vast gap between the legs always worked better for the female physiology than the male.

I'm now going to add a female marine or two to my chapter. Just for spite.

Okay, so now everyone that doesn't like them is just "small-minded"?

bs. Whatever happened to the days when you could disagree with someone without being put down for it? Most people posting have had pretty good reasons for disliking the conversions, in my opinion. Doesn't mean he can't make the models or that he has to change them at all, just means we aren't all sheep bleating the same damn thing at each other.

If all you want to hear is praise and don't want people to give you their honest opinions then don't post your work on a public forum.

The point I think why they were called small minded was that the majority of the complaints were in the vein of "OMG MAREENZ CANNOT BE CHIXORSZ!!!!!!1111oneoneone" rather then "I'm not happy with the alteration to 2nd marine from left, you should try adjusting the neck with GS."

For the record and for those who don't understand English. I never once said anything to the guy that has put the post on here. Never once mentioned him or her by name. Now I did say something about people that like transgendered people. Which I take full responsibility for.

HOWEVER.

Someone glueing elf heads to a male space marine body should not be looked at as some revolutionary thinker. This is my point which has been lost.

If the said person didn't paint these models then there is something wrong. Him or her has not said anything about the issue so that leads to the conclussion that he/she did not.

As posted above this is a public forum and people are asking for opinions. Mine is not any more important then anyone elses. But I'm going to speak my mind when someone is praised for no good reason.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:But I'm going to speak my mind when someone is praised for no good reason.

Yes, how DARE someone be praised for anything less then Golden Demon worthy work!

Look, yakee, that you don't like his work, that's cool. Not everyone has the same taste. But instead of running around to all sorts of forums dissing Docs stuff like an asshat, make constructive criticisms of the work so that the next batch are improvements. Saying something sucks and explaining how to fix what sucks about it is a critique. You don't like the elf heads, cool, what would you suggest be used then?

Saying it sucks just because you don't like that they got praise for it is just being a dick.

well painted and modeled.


but .... i don't like them. if they hadda been more unique,to your models, instead of SM's with womens heads it would have been a lot more interesting

But i do like the paintjobs.

Spacegoat wrote:I think that even though we all play a game about screaming bald men fighting slightly spikier angry bald men atop a pile of skulls, said bald men are all rolling their eyes at the guy in a corner going "tee hee boobs".

Look, almost every project this guy has put out has been centred around the same thing. Each and every valkyrie, guardswoman, black widow and whatever else I've missed, is the result of hours of planning. sculpting and converting oversized breasts. Think about that for a minute.

I have thought about it long and hard. Not enough oversized breasts in my 40k. I for one was rather disappointed not to see more of em in this offering by the awesome Dr T.

Keep it up bro. Some people are just too stuck up their own donkey-caves to be able to let a man have his foibles.

Not a fan of female space marines at all, but your paint jobs are very well executed.

Egads man! You post all of your threads, EVERYWHERE.
All my regular 40k modelling forums have a copy of each of your threads, don't you think that's a little too much?

Specially the projects that boil the water a little, if you know what I mean.
Causing nerd rage on multiple forums can't be good for the internet community.

Lordhat wrote:

Spacegoat wrote:I think that even though we all play a game about screaming bald men fighting slightly spikier angry bald men atop a pile of skulls, said bald men are all rolling their eyes at the guy in a corner going "tee hee boobs".

Look, almost every project this guy has put out has been centred around the same thing. Each and every valkyrie, guardswoman, black widow and whatever else I've missed, is the result of hours of planning. sculpting and converting oversized breasts. Think about that for a minute.

I have thought about it long and hard. Not enough oversized breasts in my 40k. I for one was rather disappointed not to see more of em in this offering by the awesome Dr T.

Keep it up bro. Some people are just too stuck up their own donkey-caves to be able to let a man have his foibles.

No one is grabbing pitchforks and going to his house to burn the models...

We are just saying their a novelty and should be treated as such.

Group:

Try to keep the discussion on topic.

This thread is starting to get a lot of reports, and this is the P&M Forum, not the Detective Forum, the Who Painted What Forum, etc.

These threads are pretty much to discuss the models at hand as the OP wishes to discuss them.

RedSarge wrote:Egads man! You post all of your threads, EVERYWHERE.
All my regular 40k modelling forums have a copy of each of your threads, don't you think that's a little too much?

Specially the projects that boil the water a little, if you know what I mean.
Causing nerd rage on multiple forums can't be good for the internet community.

(Looks at his work table) If Docs stuff causes Nerd Rage... I should dub this project Gamma-Irradiated Nerd PCP...

The Blood God will be pleased, I think...

BaronIveagh wrote:I say that whatever the eight foot tall woman with the thunder hammer says is beautiful is beautiful.

LOL
Yeah, (wipe away tear from laughing), I guess it would be wouldn't it?

Thunder Woman: That orks Douche is a piece of art!
Guard: Yes maam! It certainly is!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:I say that whatever the eight foot tall woman with the thunder hammer says is beautiful is beautiful.

LOL
Yeah, (wipe away tear from laughing), I guess it would be wouldn't it?

Thunder Woman: That orks Douche is a piece of art!
Guard: Yes maam! It certainly is!

Given that the other project that I'm working on is a bunch of TPC's female IG... that statement takes on a whole new and even more bizarre context...

BaronIveagh wrote:
Given that the other project that I'm working on is a bunch of TPC's female IG... that statement takes on a whole new and even more bizarre context...

TPC's? Whats that?
And how are female IG related to ork douches? (And do I want to know?)

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

insaniak wrote:So... if I make a plate out of baked clay, and then make another plate out of cast aluminium... which one is really a plate, and which one is something else?

Are you seriously saying the difference between men and women is the same as the difference between clay and aluminum?

No, I'm saying that it's possible for there to be more than one way to produce different things that serve the same purpose.

The fact that the majority of the known (ie: established in canon) Space Marine Chapters are produced through a given process that only works on males does not mean that every Chapter uses the same process, or that other processes couldn't produce a female equivalent that isn't significantly different, abilities-wise, to a normal marine.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
Given that the other project that I'm working on is a bunch of TPC's female IG... that statement takes on a whole new and even more bizarre context...

TPC's? Whats that?
And how are female IG related to ork douches? (And do I want to know?)

The Phoenix Club. They did a bunch of resin Ican'tBeliveIt'sNotCadian IG parts to make female IG.

Just reading that brought to mind the idea of a female Commissar and a Female Space Marine standing on a wall saying that.

I still don't see the ork douche connection...

Emperors Faithful wrote:I still don't see the ork douche connection...

Think on two possible versions of that: the scared male IG agreeing, and the much creepier female commissar actually just agreeing...

huh?
You have actually lost me...

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:
We are just saying their a novelty and should be treated as such.

The problem with terms like "novelty army" is that it implies that there is some sort of imaginary scale whereby some armies are more official or more valid then others.

Not only is this concept completely against the stated purpose of Games Workshop's Multiverse, but it sets up needless nerd elitism and posturing. It's basically a way of saying, "The way I make-believe is better then the way you make-believe," which is NOT what this hobby is supposed to be about.

Every army that any player has ever made has the exact same level of validity, official-ness, and fluffy-ness, which is zero. Whether you made hello kitty marines or you copied a GW paint scheme, your army is still just an army some player made, nothing more and nothing less.

The ONLY criteria that matters is this: Did the person have fun making it? If the answer is yes, then the army fulfilled the purpose of the hobby. We all enjoy the hobby in different ways and all ways are welcome, except one. If you go out of your way to crush the fun of someone else, then you have crossed the line, and are no longer welcome at the table.

oh and what happened to the black widows?

I always imagined Female space marines to be more in lines with Sisters of battle. I mean they are women in Power Armor.

Just sisters of battle that are bigger, perhaps some with clean shaven scalps, and in general an amazon appearance to them.

That said, I like what you have done. On some level the fact they are females of first and second founding chapters bugs me, but it's only a game, one in which creativity is a major aspect.

My only question being why a Crimson Fist female instead of an Imperial Fist? Unless I missed it you got both the Dorn second foundings, without doing he 1st. Just curious.

I had been toying with the idea of doing Female Chaos Space Marines, but just as a Squad of Possessed. Something along the lines of having them be deamonhosts to Deamonettes or something like that.

Keep up the creative work, it gives everyone something to debate over.