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big mek boomsnikk wrote:oh and what happened to the black widows?

They're done. They won 3rd place last year at the Los Angeles Games Day. Got a big ol' trophy and everything.

cool...do you play with them in games? and will you ever make more? i like the B&C threads you made.

Doctor Thunder wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:
We are just saying their a novelty and should be treated as such.

The problem with terms like "novelty army" is that it implies that there is some sort of imaginary scale whereby some armies are more official or more valid then others.

Not only is this concept completely against the stated purpose of Games Workshop's Multiverse, but it sets up needless nerd elitism and posturing. It's basically a way of saying, "The way I make-believe is better then the way you make-believe," which is NOT what this hobby is supposed to be about.

Every army that any player has ever made has the exact same level of validity, official-ness, and fluffy-ness, which is zero. Whether you made hello kitty marines or you copied a GW paint scheme, your army is still just an army some player made, nothing more and nothing less.

The ONLY criteria that matters is this: Did the person have fun making it? If the answer is yes, then the army fulfilled the purpose of the hobby. We all enjoy the hobby in different ways and all ways are welcome, except one. If you go out of your way to crush the fun of someone else, then you have crossed the line, and are no longer welcome at the table.

Unless, say, you build an Ulthwe Strike Force. Or one of the armies in the back of the Imperial Armor series, or a Pre-Heresy Force. These things have defined outlines and a specific way to represent them. Dark Angels are Green, Black, or Bone, if I paint my Dark Angels Silver, then they are not Dark Angels. If I paint my Orks flesh-toned, they are not Orks. There is no, sometimes, it depends, and maybes, in these scenarios. Marc the BL guy doesn't get to set the policy on canon.

What you are doing is stopping the definition of the hobby at the army being built and on the table. The game has moved beyond that, its now a universe as much as it is a game. It is a 'setting' and it does have defined rules and situations. You can't just say the purpose of the hobby is to make you happy, that is unrealistic, maybe if you played in one small area. By joining the online community players agree to share their hobby with the world, and be influenced in return. It is an agreement to cooperate to help expand the universe and expand the hobby (in a adding more people kind of way). If I got on an internet forum and posted my Tau-aligned Emperor worshiping Space Marines with Striking Scorpion honor guard and Rangers with a Carifew Guard Pet, no one would take it seriously, because it couldn't happen, just like female space marines.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

If I got on an internet forum and posted my Tau-aligned Emperor worshiping Space Marines with Striking Scorpion honor guard and Rangers with a Carifew Guard Pet, no one would take it seriously, because it couldn't happen, just like female space marines.

I see you've decided to ignore my advice. That's a problem, because you still have not brought forth any evidence at all. At this point, you are just stating your opinion over and over again, and "nuh-uh" is hardly a convincing argument.

Official quotes from official sources trump anonymous internet guy every day of the week. Produce an official quote from an official source that back up your position of canon, or concede the point, those are your options.

Marc the BL guy doesn't get to set the policy on canon.

Actually he does. That is what it means when you work for GW and oversee what will and will not be included in official GW novels with the official GW logo on them, and work closely with the design team in regards to what will and will not make it into print.

Furthermore, you again are ignoring the 2nd quote from the design team published in White Dwarf. Are you claiming that the design team has no authority?

What you are doing is stopping the definition of the hobby at the army being built and on the table. The game has moved beyond that, its now a universe as much as it is a game.

Again, you claim a single shared universe, while Games Workshop declares a multiverse. Why should I listen to you instead of GW?

It is a 'setting' and it does have defined rules and situations.

Defined by who?
1) Games Workshop? If you claim that Games Workshop defines the rules of the universe, then you have defeated your own argument, because GW says we can do whatever we want, and that they WANT us to do whatever we want.

2) You? If you claim you define the rules of the universe, then you have defeated your own argument, because there is no reason we should listen to you over GW.

3) The online community? If you claim the online community defines the rules, then you have defeated your own argument, because you and I are both part o the online community, and we disagree.

So, which self-defeating argument are you referring to?

You can't just say the purpose of the hobby is to make you happy, that is unrealistic

Please tell me you are joking. This is a diversion from real life, a child's play-thing that we do in our spare time. It is a beer and pretzels game. We're playing make-believe with toy soldiers. Real life is serious and dire. If the escape from serious and dire has also become dire and serious, then what purpose does it serve?

By joining the online community players agree to share their hobby with the world, and be influenced in return. It is an agreement to cooperate to help expand the universe and expand the hobby.

So, where in that agreement is the clause that players have to conform to your personal multiverse or be written off as a novelty army? Cause I don't remember that being in the contract.

What I do remember being in the contract is an obligation to be respectful and tolerant to the way other people approach the hobby, and not go out of your way to attempt to crush their fun. It's in the forum rules. Any chance I can convince you to live up to that one from now on?

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, the headswap makes the figures look really 'hulking'. That's a plus point for me, as it quite neatly highlights the sheer physical presence of a Space Marine.

Dangly bits or not.

Doctor Thunder wrote:What I do remember being in the contract is an obligation to be respectful and tolerant to the way other people approach the hobby, and not go out of your way to attempt to crush their fun. It's in the forum rules. Any chance I can convince you to live up to that one from now on?

The forum rules say that you must treat other posters with respect, and post in a polite manner.

They don't say prohibit criticizing the ideas of others, regardless of whether or not they think their "fun is being crushed" when people do so.

What sort of wildy feth up fantasies are you dreaming of ? a FEMALE SM???

FEMINISM !

Kidding , but nice conver...

Sidstyler wrote:

Mastiff wrote:Fantastic work, and kudos for not letting small minds bring you down. I'm always happy to see people have fun with their projects, rather than letting someone they've never met dictate what is and isn't acceptable. The heads work really well, and the vast gap between the legs always worked better for the female physiology than the male.

I'm now going to add a female marine or two to my chapter. Just for spite.

Okay, so now everyone that doesn't like them is just "small-minded"?

I'm talking about people who are so offended by the idea of female marines that they would prefer not to even be exposed to the idea. And then come back to express their righteous indignation over and over again, for ten pages.

People who have no chance of ever meeting the creator in person, yet still need to point out they would never place their minis on the same table, for fear of corruption, or "non-canon-cooties".

When people post their Star Wars themed marines, no one blinks. Females though? Heresy.

Yes. Small minded. There is a vast difference between "I think you could have done a better job of painting/modelling" vs. "You are wrong for starting this project".

Doctor Thunder wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

If I got on an internet forum and posted my Tau-aligned Emperor worshiping Space Marines with Striking Scorpion honor guard and Rangers with a Carifew Guard Pet, no one would take it seriously, because it couldn't happen, just like female space marines.

I see you've decided to ignore my advice. That's a problem, because you still have not brought forth any evidence at all. At this point, you are just stating your opinion over and over again, and "nuh-uh" is hardly a convincing argument.

Index Astartes isn't good enough for you?

Official quotes from official sources trump anonymous internet guy every day of the week. Produce an official quote from an official source that back up your position of canon, or concede the point, those are your options.

See earlier in the thread, when I word for word stated why women can't be marines.

Marc the BL guy doesn't get to set the policy on canon.

Actually he does. That is what it means when you work for GW and oversee what will and will not be included in official GW novels with the official GW logo on them, and work closely with the design team in regards to what will and will not make it into print.

Furthermore, you again are ignoring the 2nd quote from the design team published in White Dwarf. Are you claiming that the design team has no authority?

Standard Bearer wasn't around in those days, so I assume your talking about the forward by the guys who do White Dwarf. Not the Desgin Studio who makes canon. Just like BL, their is a heirarchy, studio first (Index Astartes, everything else falls in line)

What you are doing is stopping the definition of the hobby at the army being built and on the table. The game has moved beyond that, its now a universe as much as it is a game.

Again, you claim a single shared universe, while Games Workshop declares a multiverse. Why should I listen to you instead of GW?

You declare a multi-verse. GW says have fun with your miniatures, they don't say have fun with the recognized story. If you want to make Emperor Worshipping Eldar, no one will stop you, but you would not be playing 40K.

It is a 'setting' and it does have defined rules and situations.

Defined by who?
1) Games Workshop? If you claim that Games Workshop defines the rules of the universe, then you have defeated your own argument, because GW says we can do whatever we want, and that they WANT us to do whatever we want.

Again, GW says do what you want with you miniatures.

2) You? If you claim you define the rules of the universe, then you have defeated your own argument, because there is no reason we should listen to you over GW.

Who would claim they know better than GW? You know like, 'I know that making female marines must be possible'.

3) The online community? If you claim the online community defines the rules, then you have defeated your own argument, because you and I are both part o the online community, and we disagree.

You and many, many other disagree on this topic. The consensus has always been: not possible in canon, but nice models.

You can't just say the purpose of the hobby is to make you happy, that is unrealistic

Please tell me you are joking. This is a diversion from real life, a child's play-thing that we do in our spare time. It is a beer and pretzels game. We're playing make-believe with toy soldiers. Real life is serious and dire. If the escape from serious and dire has also become dire and serious, then what purpose does it serve?

Your taking it out of context. The hobby doesn't revolve around you. It is here for everyone, and it must have some form of canon. Generally, for all of us to enjoy it, it requires other players who follow the same rules. It is like basketball, if traveling makes it more fun for me, how is that fair? You follow the rules so everything meshes.

By joining the online community players agree to share their hobby with the world, and be influenced in return. It is an agreement to cooperate to help expand the universe and expand the hobby.

So, where in that agreement is the clause that players have to conform to your personal multiverse or be written off as a novelty army? Cause I don't remember that being in the contract.

What I do remember being in the contract is an obligation to be respectful and tolerant to the way other people approach the hobby, and not go out of your way to attempt to crush their fun. It's in the forum rules. Any chance I can convince you to live up to that one from now on?

My personal universe conforms to GW's. That is all there is to it. No one is attempting to crush your fun, no one is going to your house and crunching your models. No one is banning you from the forums. This argument always starts with someone saying, 'female marines don't exist' and the other much smaller party freaking out and throwing science and the BL quote around. Then more official science people show up, and then people who still don't want to hear female marines don't exist ask for proof, that is where I can into this argument. I quoted the small blurb from Index Astartes. Then it just progresses from there.

And I am respectful and tolerant of your miniatures. I like the way you painted them. I like the way you avoided massive breasts on the models. I like the way the colors fit together. I just know female marines don't exist. I am not breaking any rules by providing quotes or offering/defending my opinion on the subject.

What about condescension? I believe that by saying 'its pretend' implies that the person you are responding to wouldn't be able to tellt he dfference between reality and fiction. That is offensive and mean spirited. You reply to all of these like some aristocrat who 'is in the know' on the true nature of the 40K universe and anyone who disagrees must be wrong. You don't know anymore about GW's intent than any of us. What we do know, is that in the article describing the most basic thing about Space Marines, their creation, says they must be male.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:You can't just say the purpose of the hobby is to make you happy, that is unrealistic, maybe if you played in one small area. By joining the online community players agree to share their hobby with the world, and be influenced in return. It is an agreement to cooperate to help expand the universe and expand the hobby (in a adding more people kind of way).

This is a painting project, posted in "Painting and Modelling". It was not posted in "New Rules GW Should Implement". Not even "I'm Bringin' my Fem-marines To Your Neck of the Woods to Corrupt Your Children and Menfolk Tour." Relax, close the thread, and thank God that beyond this forum, you have no chance of ever meeting this person.

If the purpose of this hobby was NOT to make people happy, it would not have survived 25 years. GW relies on hobbyists and gamers to take what they like of the game and run with it in whatever direction brings them the most joy, even if that means projects they had never conceived of. If a group chose to run a campaign where the Emperor had finally kicked it, and caused a massive civil war in the Imperium, do you believe GW would send a cease and desist order to protect their intellectual property? They merely provide a starting point for our imaginations.




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Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Your taking it out of context. The hobby doesn't revolve around you. It is here for everyone, and it must have some form of canon. Generally, for all of us to enjoy it, it requires other players who follow the same rules. It is like basketball, if traveling makes it more fun for me, how is that fair? You follow the rules so everything meshes.

You nailed the problem right here.

If Dr. Thunder said his bolters had a range of 36" inches, he would rightfully get tarred and feathered. That's against the rules, as is travelling. However, if his players were to wear a dinosaur on their jersies, they would not be thrown out of the game. They may not be taken seriously, but they would not be penalized for breaking the rules.

If your fun is diminished by the sight of female marines, that's your right. It puzzles me, but that's my problem, not yours. But to keep trying to convince another person to not use their imagination truley saddens me.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

Index Astartes isn't good enough for you?

You're trying to change the subject. The point is not what Index Astartes says, the point is how we are to interpret it. You say it says something so that must be true, but GW says that it may be propoganda, or a rumor, or a legend.

That's what I've been talking about all this time with a canonical reading. 40K fluff is always written so that you don't have to take everything at face value.

(Besides, you've forgotten a vital point. GW changed the fluff for geneseed when they reprinted it in Codex: Space Marine. The line about needing male tissue types no long appears in any current GW publication, so it is no longer part of the current fluff anyway)

See earlier in the thread, when I word for word stated why women can't be marines.

What you need to provide is evidence from GW that we are to read the fluff canonically. (Wheras I have provided evidence that we are not supposed to read the fluff canonically) Since you have been unable to do so, I can only assume that you have conceded the point.

Standard Bearer wasn't around in those days, so I assume your talking about the forward by the guys who do White Dwarf. Not the Desgin Studio who makes canon.

Nope, design team. Go look it up. I'm actually surprised that you are digging in your heels so hard. Isn't the point of your position that we are supposed to listen to GW? Why won't you listen to GW, Marshal?

You declare a multi-verse. GW says have fun with your miniatures, they don't say have fun with the recognized story. If you want to make Emperor Worshipping Eldar, no one will stop you, but you would not be playing 40K.

Sure you would. You would be playing your own 40k multiverse. Go read the quote from the design team again. "The background should be like Schrodinger's Cat-Nothing is defined until the players look into the box."

I'm sorry Marshal, but you just can't wiggle your way around that one.

Ultimately, Marshal, your beef is with Game Workshop, not me.

It is a 'setting' and it does have defined rules and situations.

Not according to the design team.

Who would claim they know better than GW? You know like, 'I know that making female marines must be possible'.

I think it would be disingenuous to compare my actions to yours. I am enjoying the hobby in my own way, and I allow you to do the same. If I were going into your threads and claiming that your way of enjoying the hobby is beneath my way, and if I tried to tell you that you must approach the hobby the way I do, then our actions would be similar.

But, I'm not in your threads, am I?

The consensus has always been: not possible in canon, but nice models.

The problem with saying consensus is that you automatically assume that the majority of players agree with you, which is something you do not actually know, nor it is something that can accurately be measured. I could just as easily claim, "The consensus has always been: Possible within the canon."

Simply typing it does not make it so.

it must have some form of canon.

No it doesn't. That's the whole point. You have DECIDED that it needs canon, but Games Workshop, the company that makes the games and the books, and myself, disagree with you.

Generally, for all of us to enjoy it, it requires other players who follow the same rules. It is like basketball, if traveling makes it more fun for me, how is that fair? You follow the rules so everything meshes.

Fluff is NOT rules and rules are NOT fluff. The only "rules" that are required in this hobby are the rules we use on the tabletop. Two players can have completely different versions of the background in their heads and still play the game without any hiccups at all.
In fact, both players can know absolutely nothing about the background and still play the game without any problems whatsoever.

My personal universe conforms to GW's. That is all there is to it.

So does mine.

No one is attempting to crush your fun

You're kidding, right?

You think after all the time, energy, money, and effort I put into my armies, that it gives me warm fuzzies to have someone come in and say that my army is nothing but an invalid novelty army?

You can't tell me that you are ignorant of the way your words affect people. You knew exactly what you were doing. You entered this thread and released a calculated barb.

You could have simply skipped over this thread. It's not like I tricked you with the title. You chose to click on it and come into this thread and release a little venom.


Don't get me wrong. It's not like I'm looking for an apology. Just be honest about your actions and motives. Truth be told, I'd respect you a lot more if you just came out and said, "I will attack anyone who deviates from what I deem acceptable." At least then, you'd be dealing with us honestly.

If there could be female marines, they should put them togheter with the male marines and creat geneticaly enhanced super babies witch can then get furter enhanced with growth hormones from birth to creat dreadnouth sized marines!! Just imagine the weapons they could cary around!

The Impireums should then have nothing to fear from anyone after that.
Just imagine one of these super-marines headbutting a carnifex to death

Marshal2Crusaders wrote: Dark Angels are Green, Black, or Bone, if I paint my Dark Angels Silver, then they are not Dark Angels.

...unless, of course, they're Dark Angels who have painted their armour silver for some reason... In the same way that the Deathwing painted their original Terminator armour white to retake their homeworld, or the rest of the Dark Angels Chapter painted their armour green before assaulting their brethren on Calliban.

And if we're going by older background (which is where the 'male only' thing comes from, after all) the Chapters all had multiple colour schemes, depending on where they were fighting at the time.

So not the best example, hey?

If I paint my Orks flesh-toned, they are not Orks.

Why not? Because Orks are generally green? They're a type of super-advanced fungus. So this particular Ork clan is from an irradiated Deathworld, where environmental conditions mutated their spores...

There is no, sometimes, it depends, and maybes, in these scenarios.

Of course there is. The 'canon' sets the scene. Nothing more. It doesn't set in stone that 'this' is the only way things can be... it simply sets the general rules. Those rules can be bent or broken at whim... it generally doesn't take a lot of thought to come up with a feasable explanation, even staying within the rest of the established background.

Heck, so far as the Imperium is concerned, pretty much any variant you want to think of can be explained simply by calling it a 'Secret Inquisition experiment that nobody else knows about...'

It is an agreement to cooperate to help expand the universe and expand the hobby

You're assuming that everyone is in the hobby for the exact same reasons.

There is no 'contract' that we sign when you start painting Space Marines, that says that we will stay within established boundaries. Nor is there any requirement for anyone else to feel as strongly about sticking rigidly to 15 year old fluff as you apparently do.

Sharing what you're working on in no way includes a requirement to participate in a worldwide universe-building club. For most people, at least from my experience, it's simply a way of sharing ideas.

If I got on an internet forum and posted my Tau-aligned Emperor worshiping Space Marines with Striking Scorpion honor guard and Rangers with a Carifew Guard Pet, no one would take it seriously, because it couldn't happen, just like female space marines.

Sitting here with my first cup of coffee of the morning, I just came up with a story explaining this situation in my head in the space of about 45 seconds. So, in my hobby at least, it most certainly could happen. What you do with your hobby, obviously, is up to you.

Big thumbs up on the conversions and paint jobs.

Given that GW has creatively concocted its fluff from Tolkien, Moorcock, Anime, the Terminator franchise, and god knows what else, it makes sense that we hobbyists should approach the game creatively as well. That was the real beauty of Rogue Trader when it came out - you were SUPPOSED to make your flying vehicle out of a deodorant bottle and call it a space marine transport. The game is brittle and dry without model conversions and players coming up with new ways of adapting and making the fluff our own.

You know, I don't even like SMs, but the silliness of this argument kinda makes me want to put together a Gynomarines army.

However, if his players were to wear a dinosaur on their jersies, they would not be thrown out of the game. They may not be taken seriously, but they would not be penalized for breaking the rules.

Good God, if you don't like female marines then just call them homo marines (so they're still guys) who can afford boob jobs!! So there no more female marines? Happy now?

So if I make a male ork then that would not be canon as well right? Coz GW says that orks are plants/fungus and they don't have private parts.

Even if they are girlish looking marines it's not gonna make his to wound rolls into 6's right?

The Red Barney has came and dunked this thread is officially done and done. Take it to a new area or.......


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Man I am not sure how to contact mods... Which button?

Doc please end this... please

While some people seem to think that all space marines must be male, I think that all space marines must be bald and constantly screaming.

Seriously though, I like these better than the Black Widows, and I thought those were very very good.

JOHIRA wrote:You know, I don't even like SMs, but the silliness of this argument kinda makes me want to put together a Gynomarines army.

nice

Breasts or not? I have it on good athourity that having large fat and tisue filled mounds infront of you while running jumpping and genrely doing stuff that a SM may have to do all day everyday is a real bummer.

look at femail athleats. they are genrely low in body fat content therefor reducing the size of their breasts. look at female body builders. their bodys in most respects start to resemble thoes of male body builders.

so with all that genetic inhancment and excercie i think a female SM would not need a breast plate with breast shaped lumps to acomidate her outward expretion of femininity.

as to whether female SMs can exsist at all needs some thought. women play a role in modern armys so why not 40k armies. you may not see them leading the assult on that bunker full of baddies but they are there somwhere.

most of my SM have helmets on anyway iv no idea if its male or female under it coz sofar every time iv cut though it find out they seem to have made a sneeky gettaway leaving only plastic and metal behind. sly devils.

i like my one woman IG she is a sargent of some elits. she is slightly more curved in the right places. so a little moding of SM armor for hips and such would make for a better fit and slightly more belivability (if thats a word) of female SMs.

EDIT Ah i seem to have slightly contridicted myself here saying breast plats with breasts is not needed but curvyer armor is. oh well its all up to whoever whats to take the chalange. GW prob wont because i belive the want to leave us some space for our own ambishuse projects instead of handing us everything on a plate.

Oddly enough, most women I've met who serve in the military do not look like female athletes. They're not fat, though some of them have nice curves in all the right places.

Though having ginormus breasts would be problematical, I suppose that power armor might lift and support?

wonder armor? stylish and practical? protects and supports? the wonder bra company have a lot of work ahead of them.

i dont no any women in the army. hell i dont no any men in the army. but modern lean army men would be weedy compared to geneticly inhanced SMs. thats why i think more along the lines of body builders.

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only ceramite underwire support!

Awesome! Fantastic job. Although I don't agree with the idea of female marines existing on the whole, humorous/lighthearted projects are great. Has anyone else ever seen the Hello Kitty marines chapter ?

My only (small) criticisms lie with: the raven guard, the white scars and the salamanders models.
White scars +salamanders: Whats with the crotch shields? Not like they have anything to protect...
and raven guard: I personally would have gone for a more iconic Jump Pack + Claws look.
I'm not sure if its just not showing up in the pics, but a lot of the faces look like they could use a little more shading. (The Salamanders face looks great tho and i love the darker tone on the crimson fists one)

What is the black and gold chapter? I seem to have forgotten them... But i absolutely love the work you've done on her shoulderpad.

(sorry if this has been said before but i just jumped in as soon is i saw the pics)

I recdon male SM dont have anything to protect with crotch shields either. think of what all that genetic mutation has done to there labido. I think its more wishfull thinking by the SM armory.

O, and I am SO GLAD that you did not sculpt BREAST-plates onto them. Has anyone considered just how stupid they would actually be? How much they would restrict reaching across your body? Most women would bind their breasts closer to their bodies when fighting. Boobieplates were just invented for guys who think boobs == sexy and all females must be obviously feminine (also I am boycotting the Shadowsun model just because of her Tau face being so ... humanly female). Seriously, do modern-day soldiers get issued bullet-proof bra?.
/rant

Trasvi wrote:O, and I am SO GLAD that you did not sculpt BREAST-plates onto them. Has anyone considered just how stupid they would actually be? How much they would restrict reaching across your body? Most women would bind their breasts closer to their bodies when fighting. Boobieplates were just invented for guys who think boobs == sexy and all females must be obviously feminine (also I am boycotting the Shadowsun model just because of her Tau face being so ... humanly female). Seriously, do modern-day soldiers get issued bullet-proof bra?.
/rant

Way to go! But, not to rain on your parade, the chick space marines would be so ugly and scarred that the only way to tell if they were chicks would probably be the breast-plate.

This is jsut becoming such a difficult thred for me to make my mind up on. i would realy like some closer for myself. everytime i make up my mind that one idea is best some one goes and points out a pracality vs stylistic point.

Im getting there though. as 40k is our and others fantacy relm a SM is a super human soldier that we (by this i mean me) fantasise about being even though nothing about there armor looks that practical to fight in. so if there are fantacy female SMs the same probable aplys to them. so id go for making them look femine to a degree hopefuly without them needing to surgecly enhance themselves just to look female.

its getting to difficult to way up everyting id need some sort of flow diagram that spand the 10 pages of this thred just to remember what i started out thinking and ended up disagreeing with

Trasvi wrote:O, and I am SO GLAD that you did not sculpt BREAST-plates onto them. Has anyone considered just how stupid they would actually be? How much they would restrict reaching across your body? Most women would bind their breasts closer to their bodies when fighting. Boobieplates were just invented for guys who think boobs == sexy and all females must be obviously feminine (also I am boycotting the Shadowsun model just because of her Tau face being so ... humanly female). Seriously, do modern-day soldiers get issued bullet-proof bra?.
/rant

Actually, back in the day, some armor for women (not that very much has been made for women, period) was made thus, but it was understated IE small bumps, not huge torpedoes. And for stupidly restrictive, please see Gothic full plate, particularly some of the ones with large ornamental metal bits.

Also, the bras aren't bulletproof, at least not the regular military ones (I've seen some on civilian contractors that would stop a .50), but the uniform is definitely not the same cut.

On space marine sexuality: according to BL books they can get laid. Either that or Ultramarines recruit some VERY sexually precocious children.


BTW: Thanks, Doc, I had forgotten to point out that gene-seed had been retconned earlier.

And Am I hallucinating due to lack of sleep or did Hauptmann Marshell2Crusader just suggest that the only way to have fun playing this game was his way and that Black Library does not write fluff for GW? I thought the whole point of GW opening BL was to have a Fluff organ of state?