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Nurglitch wrote:Manchu:

I refuse to join the moderation team. Leave it at that.

No need to join the mod team. What I'm talking about is the actual organization or the tactics thread. As I said before, the work should be done, the idea tested, and then mods should be appointed if such proves necessary/helpful.

Nurglitch wrote:Manchu:

I refuse to join the moderation team. Leave it at that.

You still didn't answer how your plan would work on an example basis. To refresh your recollection:
Interesting but sounds a lot more like a tactical article than a thread.
Give us an example Calamari King. Note the thread on how to deal with demons that I cited (team event, nid/necrons against chaos/demons how beat them) How would such a thread work in this context?

I'm still trying to figure out why one couldn't just make a tactics article on their own and link to it in their signature, or something.

Seems like the path of least resistance, and one could still be able to get their points across. Without having to scream over the background noise.

Nurglitch wrote:Manchu:

I refuse to join the moderation team. Leave it at that.

I'm not sure you've much to worry about there...

So.

It really is up to the users to lead the charge.

If you guys want to, you will.

If you don't, well, it will still probably be OK.

Either way, everyone will survive and, I hope, be happy.

In the meantime, all of your cards and letters and suggestion are providing food for thought, so that's good too!

Alpharius wrote:It really is up to the users to lead the charge.

If you guys want to, you will.

If you don't, well, it will still probably be OK.

Looks like this is just going to be a lot of talk after all.

Alpharius:

Nope, never had much worry about that, considering the things I've said about how Yakface runs the site and the moderation team.

Frazzled wrote:
Give us an example Calamari King. Note the thread on how to deal with demons that I cited (team event, nid/necrons against chaos/demons how beat them) How would such a thread work in this context?

I'm neither an advocate for nor a detractor against the "like" function. However, I can see one use for it.

New player wants to know how to kit out his command squad. He goes to the tactics forum and does a search. he finds:

What is the best way to kit out a command squad? (43 likes)
What is a good command squad for Codex marines? (4 likes)
Check out my command squad! (2 likes)
Command squads suck! Here's why! (14 likes)

In that example, it's pretty clear which thread I'd look at (Pick 3, mi'lord!). 1 and 2 both seem to cover my topic, but 1 has a lot of feedback and is probably pretty helpful.

However, reading the titles in this particular case, without the "like" totals, was pretty easy. So, I'm not 100% sure why I'd need them. I could be talking out of my rear-end though.

Nurglitch wrote:Alpharius:

Nope, never had much worry about that, considering the things I've said about how Yakface runs the site and the moderation team.

I don't think anyone takes it too seriously or personally though.

(Mostly) anything that gets a discussion going will be a good thing in the end.

And no Manchu, I don't think this will be 'only a lot of talk' BUT any public free forum is going to be in the hands of its users more than anything else - especially when you factor in how the owners of Dakka Dakka WANT it to be run.

The Mods have (GASP!) real lives which include jobs and families - and so while many feel that the MOD ALERT button isn't working, believe me, it is.

Sadly, we can't be everywhere at all times.

If only being a Moderator also granted us more time in the day or the ability to be in more than one place at a time.

So, THAT is what I was getting at - participate by posting quality content yourself AND by reporting things that should be reported.

You still didn't answer the question Nurglitch. You brought up the format, how would you use it?


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Manchu wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It really is up to the users to lead the charge.

If you guys want to, you will.

If you don't, well, it will still probably be OK.

Looks like this is just going to be a lot of talk after all.

Things are being discussed actually. however there are several items that could be done...now.

Indifferent. I've lurked on this site for awhile and I've only registered for a few specific reasons. Other than that, I really don't care about this site and stopped reading this thread at about page 3. I'm mildly amused that the thread was locked, but that would have also confirmed everything we already know.

But just to confirm the "outsider view", this site is considered to be 99% trash and only worth any attention at all because it reaches a huge audience.

I'd also point out that the mods are generally the worst of the trolls on this site and there are other sanctioned trolls that get away with stupid crap, flames and trolling and then run to their moderator minions when they get called on it. How many threads were started by Moderators mocking and trolling off of this thread? But don't you dare use a "Spess Mahreens" joke around here without approval, that get s you a stern warning.

And I fully expect a "if you don't like it leave" message.

In Closing,
"Spess Mahreens"

@Frazz: I meant regarding the lead-up user volunteer work aimed at the tactics board. But I think I'll try working a little on it and see if I can even put together a detailed, feasible plan.

So, the message I'm getting from the Mods is that they:
1) don't see any problems,
2) Dont' want to in any way help those that aren't happy with Dakka, and
3) Feel comfortable urging people to put time and effort into something for which they'll receive no credit or respect, on the off chance that that will help.

I mean, I keep hearing the "if you want quality posts write them" mantra, but I think what DoP, Reecius, Nurglitch and I have discovered is that even when you do write quality posts, you don't really get any benefit. I work the 5th ed IG codex review, which took hours, and it's not like I got anything for it. I could have started dozens of which House at Hogwarts is each primarch thread and gotten a bigger post count and saves myself some effort.

I don't care about the garbage threads and posts, but I feel that one problem is that there really isn't a ton of incentive to post well right now. The staff's current attitude of "don't let the door hit your ass" isn't exactly helping, of course.

Well, I know it seems thankless to you Polonius but I have read and re-read and re-re-read your Guard review and to this day consult it whenever an IG list starts to form in my head. So . . . THANKS! If there was a view count associated with the articles, I think you'd see some confirmation that your articles have made a big impact on many users.

What benefit would you hope to see for writing good posts?

Athera wrote:Indifferent. I've lurked on this site for awhile and I've only registered for a few specific reasons. Other than that, I really don't care about this site and stopped reading this thread at about page 3. I'm mildly amused that the thread was locked, but that would have also confirmed everything we already know.

But just to confirm the "outsider view", this site is considered to be 99% trash and only worth any attention at all because it reaches a huge audience.

I'd also point out that the mods are generally the worst of the trolls on this site and there are other sanctioned trolls that get away with stupid crap, flames and trolling and then run to their moderator minions when they get called on it. How many threads were started by Moderators mocking and trolling off of this thread? But don't you dare use a "Spess Mahreens" joke around here without approval, that get s you a stern warning.

And I fully expect a "if you don't like it leave" message.

In Closing,
"Spess Mahreens"

Wait you've been around a month and have this view. I sense sockpuppet or donkey-cave alert.


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Manchu wrote:@Frazz: I meant regarding the lead-up user volunteer work aimed at the tactics board. But I think I'll try working a little on it and see if I can even put together a detailed, feasible plan.

I just want to see how it can be used in real world examples Manchu. Seriously a lot of Murglitch's schema sounded like an articles format, which might be really where thats going (and is a reason I originally liked the concept of articles). There's time.

Polonius:
I mean, what exactly did you expect for writing the 5th edition IG codex review?

A great big outpouring of thanks and a cash prize? Big hugs? A kudos from Dakka?

Posting well shouldn't be about rewards or for gratefulness from the staff/posters.
For every time you've posted a well-crafted review or an actual legible post, versus the Captain Solons of the site posting whatever crap popped into their head at that minute to post you're pretty much guaranteed to get a bit of "street cred" with the posters who actually would appreciate your posts here.
People like that know you're not going to post dribble that they're going to just roll their eyes at, and ignore the posts.
Will they necessarily reply?
Probably not, unless they have something to add or a question to ask.

So, any chance someone knows who the main account of Athera is?
Pretty much 95% of all of the users posts are trolling, or just plain offensive to other users.

Polonius wrote:So, the message I'm getting from the Mods is that they:
1) don't see any problems,
2) Dont' want to in any way help those that aren't happy with Dakka, and
3) Feel comfortable urging people to put time and effort into something for which they'll receive no credit or respect, on the off chance that that will help.

I mean, I keep hearing the "if you want quality posts write them" mantra, but I think what DoP, Reecius, Nurglitch and I have discovered is that even when you do write quality posts, you don't really get any benefit. I work the 5th ed IG codex review, which took hours, and it's not like I got anything for it. I could have started dozens of which House at Hogwarts is each primarch thread and gotten a bigger post count and saves myself some effort.

I don't care about the garbage threads and posts, but I feel that one problem is that there really isn't a ton of incentive to post well right now. The staff's current attitude of "don't let the door hit your ass" isn't exactly helping, of course.

What did you want actually Polonius. You got the same exact pay rate we did. I heard even a bonus. Unfortunately 125% of $0 is well, $0. For the love of the game.

If you guys are going to do the like/dislike button, I recommend the admins take a look at board game geek to see how well such a thing can be instituted.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Recommended&redirectedfrom=thumbs-up#
In fact, I recommend you copy as much from that site as possible regarding how their site works.

Ultimately though, the like/recommend/whatever button is about as futile as looking at post count to see if a person knows what the hell they are talking about.

Its just a vanity thing at the end of the day.

Not that any of this really matters, since useful contributions here are secondary to cash.

Nope, not ever gonna let dakka live that one down.

Just posted this in another thread before realising I meant to post it here. Sorry.

I would suggest a rep system without any dislike options. Where users can reward good posts with points.
- Limit the amount of points a user can give per week to make people put a bit of thought into who they reward.
- Limit the amount of points a particular post can receive, to prevent the eventually that someone gets a ton of rep for one particular post and the rest of his/her posts are awfull.
- Make it so users with a higher rep can give more points per week. Considering they have a higher rep it can be assumed they know a good post, therefore weight the power to reward in their direction.
- Limit the ammount of points a user can give to another particular user per month. To stop favouritism and people grouping together/only rewarding their friends etc.

Then get rid of the post count, totally or at the least stop it being displayed under a users avatar in threads, display their rep instead.


With any luck you may then get a forum with users focused on making good posts, rather than topping up their post count. Less spam, more substance. Win win.

Any good?

I know a lot of other forums do have ways to give kudos, or karma, or whatnot to quality posts. That's a way of separating pure posts from quality stuff.

Ideally I'd like to have Frazz stop flame baiting me constantly in the OT, but we know that'll never happen.

But yeah, I think that good posters deserve some recognition or respect from the staff. I don't think it's totally out of line to expect that.


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Kanluwen wrote:Polonius:
I mean, what exactly did you expect for writing the 5th edition IG codex review?

A great big outpouring of thanks and a cash prize? Big hugs? A kudos from Dakka?

Yeah, kind of. I think if I create something of value, I should at least get recognition.

Polonius: Do keep in mind that while he may be doing that to you, your post does indeed leave him open for a comment

Ideally I'd like to have Frazz stop flame baiting me constantly in the OT, but we know that'll never happen.

Again, its a pretty nasty circle that needs to stop somewhere.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Polonius: Do keep in mind that while he may be doing that to you, your post does indeed leave him open for a comment

Ideally I'd like to have Frazz stop flame baiting me constantly in the OT, but we know that'll never happen.

Again, its a pretty nasty circle that needs to stop somewhere.

Yeah, I know that disagreeing with any of his well thought out positions is ground for flaming and intimidation. One day I'll learn to behave myself better.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Polonius: Do keep in mind that while he may be doing that to you, your post does indeed leave him open for a comment

Ideally I'd like to have Frazz stop flame baiting me constantly in the OT, but we know that'll never happen.

Again, its a pretty nasty circle that needs to stop somewhere.

Gee...you would think that would be the job of the administration. Ya know, calming disputes in a reasonable manner and not giving the excuse "I'm human" over and over again until it loses any meaning, not being a fething dick. that sort of thing.

Polonius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Polonius:
I mean, what exactly did you expect for writing the 5th edition IG codex review?

A great big outpouring of thanks and a cash prize? Big hugs? A kudos from Dakka?

Yeah, kind of. I think if I create something of value, I should at least get recognition.

What, knowing you wrote a good post and didn't pull a Solon isn't enough?

Heathen!

But seriously. I can't really think of much that can be done, without Yakface sending out money or "thank you gifts" to people for "good posts/articles".

And I really can't think of any way that's happening, unless he maybe starts giving people who write consistently excellent posts free DCM memberships.

Also: I totally appreciate your posts. They're always well-written and easily comprehensible. I like that. No BS, just information or your opinion explained simply.

Hellfury wrote:If you guys are going to do the like/dislike button, I recommend the admins take a look at board game geek to see how well such a thing can be instituted.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Recommended&redirectedfrom=thumbs-up#
In fact, I recommend you copy as much from that site as possible regarding how their site works.

Ultimately though, the like/recommend/whatever button is about as futile as looking at post count to see if a person knows what the hell they are talking about.

Its just a vanity thing at the end of the day.

Not that any of this really matters, since useful contributions here are secondary to cash.

Nope, not ever gonna let dakka live that one down.

What?

BGG is the site that charges people even to have an avatar.

I would agree a Like only button is better than Like/Dislike, however I don't find it any use on BGG. I read threads that interest me, not ones that interest other people. THere is an overlap, of course.

Hellfury wrote:
Not that any of this really matters, since useful contributions here are secondary to cash.

Nope, not ever gonna let dakka live that one down.

Cash, chocolate, or rum.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Hellfury wrote:If you guys are going to do the like/dislike button, I recommend the admins take a look at board game geek to see how well such a thing can be instituted.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Recommended&redirectedfrom=thumbs-up#
In fact, I recommend you copy as much from that site as possible regarding how their site works.

Ultimately though, the like/recommend/whatever button is about as futile as looking at post count to see if a person knows what the hell they are talking about.

Its just a vanity thing at the end of the day.

Not that any of this really matters, since useful contributions here are secondary to cash.

Nope, not ever gonna let dakka live that one down.

What?

BGG is the site that charges people even to have an avatar.

I would agree a Like only button is better than Like/Dislike, however I don't find it any use on BGG. I read threads that interest me, not ones that interest other people. THere is an overlap, of course.

I know youre a member there kilkrazy, but you dont even have the slightest clue how that works.
In your defense I dont blame you because the interface is pants.

What I am talking about is the actual content behind the horrible interface.
You are rewarded for useful contributions to the site. Thats where the geekgold comes in. Sure you can buy it, but thats the lazy pants way to get things done.

Scrubs lie fallow, useful contributors are lauded. Unlike dakka.

Here is a link to how it works:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/GeekGold

Polonius - Dont get me wrong, i more than see your point of view here as previous posts on this thread and the other one show.
However, if you either ignore his posts or respond to them (minus giving him any ground to stand on) its actually quite amusing at the result you can get.
Infact, you seem to get an even better result as they proceed to moan about something, and you sit there with a halo and avoid any bother.



Hellfury - Sad, but true i guess.
However, if some people try and calm down a situation it might actually have a better result than a MOD storming in and throwing in edits/warnings everywhere.

Polonius wrote:

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Polonius: Do keep in mind that while he may be doing that to you, your post does indeed leave him open for a comment

Ideally I'd like to have Frazz stop flame baiting me constantly in the OT, but we know that'll never happen.

Again, its a pretty nasty circle that needs to stop somewhere.

Yeah, I know that disagreeing with any of his well thought out positions is ground for flaming and intimidation. One day I'll learn to behave myself better.

Exactly. Agree...or else!

I personally and this is just me personally appreciate the guys who contribute articles. Good, bad or indifferent they are appreciated, but would hope others note it as I'm not the popular guy around here.