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At some point, people are going to say enough is enough and move their recreational dollars onto another product. Whilst this doesn't affect me it does leave a rather bad taste in my mouth.

I won't through out a grand "never buying from GW ever again" but prices and practices have severely curtailed my purchases. I only top up my Dark Elf and Ogre army now and have stopped playing 40k. Buy the occasional piece of scenery they release and that is about it. I had moved on to FOW, but BF are just as big a bunch of dicks as GW.

GW prices are now set where I think about what I buy and as I usually don't need what I pick up thinking about it causes me not to buy it. For example, wanted a pack of GK but 5 for $33 - nope, not doing that. Got tempted with GK Terms for that banner but no on $50 either.

Haven't started a new army in 3 years and don't see myself starting anytime soon. Won't happen unless something changes in management attitudes and that change isn't coming ever!

I am 42 with a high disposable income but as I am not the target my opinion and lack of purchasing won't count for anything.

Been looking at Everblight but dear god, can someone tell Werner Klock that not all elf woman need to sculpted with huge boobs, plunging cleavage and no armor in vital areas of the body.

I expected it, but now that it has happened, I'm even more incensed than I expected. I'm really sorry for Maelstrom (and Wayland who I hear are also good). I like to reward businesses that I feel give me good value with my money. Seems the Evil Empire doesn't want me to be able to do that. So I'm going to drop my full gaming budget for the year this month with Maelstrom, taking advantage of the gracious 18% discount. Then I'm going to figure out how I can best continue this hobby. After that, I am going to make it a priority to actively try to undermine GW's business in Japan by letting absolutely ever GW hobbyist I come across know about any alternatives I find. No more playing nice. I enjoy the models GW, and we have history but I don't think I can be in this relationship anymore.

I am looking forward to seeing how this brings the community together.

So, Maelstrom is not allowed to sell anywhere outside the EU anymore? this seems to be aimed at completely controlling online commerce on GW's part, not just screwing over the southern hemisphere. They don't deserve to get away with this, but they will.

(please note i have not read the entire thread)


I live in the southern hemisphere, and i want to know, what does this mean for online retailers based in the soutrhern hemisphere, and third party retail stores(like my comic store)?

Are they going to? if so, my new hobby just got removed...

Obsidian Raven wrote:(please note i have not read the entire thread)


I live in the southern hemisphere, and i want to know, what does this mean for online retailers based in the soutrhern hemisphere, and third party retail stores(like my comic store)?

Are they going to? if so, my new hobby just got removed...

No.

This is GW attempting to implement 'regional sales' and deal with the elephant in the room that is nobody buying from GWOZ(which likely won't happen unless they drop their prices) in the same stroke.

Obsidian Raven wrote:(please note i have not read the entire thread)


I live in the southern hemisphere, and i want to know, what does this mean for online retailers based in the soutrhern hemisphere, and third party retail stores(like my comic store)?

Are they going to? if so, my new hobby just got removed...

Pretty much nothing. This only affects you if you're outside of Europe and you order from stores in Europe. If you buy locally, this won't mean anything other than not allowing you to order from Europe directly in the future.

Obsidian Raven wrote:(please note i have not read the entire thread)


I live in the southern hemisphere, and i want to know, what does this mean for online retailers based in the soutrhern hemisphere, and third party retail stores(like my comic store)?

Are they going to? if so, my new hobby just got removed...

Nope, they just seem to be market restricting, probably because FLGS's in Auz and NZ have got fed up with being undercut by online retailers, which seems fair to me.

Agamemnon2 wrote:So, Maelstrom is not allowed to sell anywhere outside the EU anymore? this seems to be aimed at completely controlling online commerce on GW's part, not just screwing over the southern hemisphere. They don't deserve to get away with this, but they will.

Of-course they won't get away with it, this is obviously the final straw for many people - you are always far to cynical and just don't understand the passion for fair play that many GW gamers have. There will be a big shift to other games - PP, FOW Infinity will see a huge influx of gamers and therefore money that will allow them to increase their line up an improve casting. Already eBay prices for metal confrontation prices have risen based on this news and I have had 4 requests to start playing C3 again. Maybe even Rackham can phoenix out of the ashes - always loved those pre-painted models.

But as i have pointed out before, GW Australia is now in a position to begin to slam prices through the roof and we in Australia and those affected countries can not do a damn thing.

I expect that within the next 12 months that GW prices will rise exponentialy at least 30%. It is a sad day for all.

No not FLGS, GW OZ.
Though one of the close GWs I would consider a FLGS the other is quite the opposite.

Achaylus72 wrote:But as i have pointed out before, GW Australia is now in a position to begin to slam prices through the roof and we in Australia and those affected countries can not do a damn thing.

I expect that within the next 12 months that GW prices will rise exponentialy at least 30%. It is a sad day for all.

Don't buy then, I still have a catalogue/WD (though they did have how to build terrain and conversion articles) from 2005, it's depressing to see the prices in there at times compared to the current.

Land Raider was only $85 back then, whereas it's now at the nice price of $103.

Maelstrom Games wrote:Guys,
And remember - the wargaming world does not revolve around Games Workshop's products, so I'll still be seeing you all for our very own BaneLegions as well as Hordes and Warmachine

End of the day that is correct.....bet a few company's e.g. PP are popping corks tho

Achaylus72 wrote:But as i have pointed out before, GW Australia is now in a position to begin to slam prices through the roof and we in Australia and those affected countries can not do a damn thing.

You didn't "point out" anything. You posted an anecdote that doesn't sound remotely feasible and more like a charicture of a supervillain running GWOZ more than making a point.

fullheadofhair wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:So, Maelstrom is not allowed to sell anywhere outside the EU anymore? this seems to be aimed at completely controlling online commerce on GW's part, not just screwing over the southern hemisphere. They don't deserve to get away with this, but they will.

Of-course they won't get away with it, this is obviously the final straw for many people - you are always far to cynical and just don't understand the passion for fair play that many GW gamers have. There will be a big shift to other games - PP, FOW Infinity will see a huge influx of gamers and therefore money that will allow them to increase their line up an improve casting. Already eBay prices for metal confrontation prices have risen based on this news and I have had 4 requests to start playing C3 again. Maybe even Rackham can phoenix out of the ashes - always loved those pre-painted models.

I can't tell if you're being serious. The Rackham part at the end is most throwing me off.

fullheadofhair wrote:
Been looking at Everblight but dear god, can someone tell Werner Klock that not all elf woman need to sculpted with huge boobs, plunging cleavage and no armor in vital areas of the body.

Once again, I don't think you are the target demographic here either...

As for GW retail practices: I have played GW games for close to two decades, and have produced a second generation of consumers in my two sons.

I haven't payed full retail for GW in many years.

The closes "LGS" is 45 minutes each way.

If they banned all on-line sales I would be done with GW as I can't see myself going back to paying full retail and thus so would my sons be done.

GW would be losing many thousands of dollars of sales a week i would think.

Do they really think they can make up for this loss? Do they think most of these people will start paying full retail?

What about those with no local GW or LGS who would be effectively kicked out of the hobby?

Bad bad idea GW...

Achaylus72 wrote:But as i have pointed out before, GW Australia is now in a position to begin to slam prices through the roof and we in Australia and those affected countries can not do a damn thing.

...you could stop buying GW miniatures?

Or use other methods to get around this restriction. A few have been posted in this thread.

I know my case is very different from the majority here, but I buy from Maelstrom AND Wayland because they have free shipping and discount. There is not a single store in Brazil (used to have but charging 3 times the value of the product, do the math). There is a store in Chile that when I got in touch they said to buy from maelstron because it was difficult for them to sell outside the country... anyway.... My scenario is buy from GW or other store that do not have the good policy os Maelstrom AND Wayland...

What a pain in the @ss... What a ridiculous act.

I am not against the models the background the rules etc, but this wqas the last straw...

[Achaylus72]...those affected countries can not do a damn thing.

Look into the "UK forwarding address" per Legoburner's comment.

Paul wrote:Nope, they just seem to be market restricting, probably because FLGS's in Auz and NZ have got fed up with being undercut by online retailers, which seems fair to me.

Or would be if GW's prices weren't so completely screwed up. If GW were to change around the pricing structure I could see the sense, but as it is? Nope, completely borked.

Not sure how this works out cheaper.

When buying from UK resellers a small amount at a time, then having to pay the shipping cost of having it sent to places like Australia and works out cheaper than buying it from local resellers who would be getting goods from the UK in bulk. (Maybe even cheaper if it's coming from a factory closer by.)

This is me assuming there are resellers in the southern hemisphere too. Does GW not sell their stuff to resellers down there?

GW sells to resellers at nearly half the price they sell in store within the UK. There shouldn't be a great difference for southern resellers forcing them to sell it so expenisvely should there?

It'd be interesting to see how much it costs for southern H resellers to buy from GW (if they do at all)

... unless some gamers refuse to continue to be the sheep they are all i see is GW getting their lost sales back by charging the few who buy exorbitant prices

i really hate to be the cynic here but history has taught us that people will keep buying GW.

Well I just put a largish order through Wayland games and will do another one at the end of the month (get what I can now) and that should be my army built (a hell of a lot sooner than I wanted to). I only got into 40k in January and even I felt as if GW has done nothing but slap me in the face at every turn since I decided to play the game.

The FLGS are being undercut because the prices are just not reasonable (not their fault). Banning us from online retailers isn't going to fix the problem.

What ever. I have friends in the UK. I'm not going to be dictated by GW to pay their overly inflated prices.

Not likely to see any companies breaking this embargo are we ?

I've been playing GW games since 1997 and have always enjoyed their games and models. I've branched out to other systems over the years and have been playing WM/H a lot recently. I've always stuck by GW even as their prices skyrocketed, I just bought less.

Even though I live in America, and almost all of my purchases are at my FLGS, this news bothers me much more than I thought it would. Now I'm not going to go crazy and say I'm done with GW or anything like that, but I do think it's time to box up my GW stuff and put it in storage for a long while and wait to see if sanity returns to the company. For now I'll concentrate on PP's products, and it's a good time as a new expansion is coming out for WM and one in the pipeline for Hordes. Maybe I'll try out some other new systems too.

Maybe GW will get some sanity back some day. :(

Achaylus72 wrote:But as i have pointed out before, GW Australia is now in a position to begin to slam prices through the roof and we in Australia and those affected countries can not do a damn thing.

I expect that within the next 12 months that GW prices will rise exponentialy at least 30%. It is a sad day for all.

Sure you can. Don't buy from them any more.

So GW is mad at non-GW retailers because it isn't pricing its products competitively and they are?

What a shocker.

I liked someone's plan of an eBay store and some sweet OZ discounting...

Any one got a US online store that ships international? i am not paying local prices, if i can not get US/UK $ then that is it for the hobby i guess.

xxvaderxx wrote:Any one got a US online store that ships international? i am not paying local prices, if i can not get US/UK $ then that is it for the hobby i guess.

http://www.thewarstore.com/
http://miniaturemarket.com/
http://battleroadgames.com/

Okay, now that this action has been taken by GW, who are the winners and losers

Let us start with the winners………………………(cricket heard chirping in the background)

Okay, now the losers

European retailers – Just had GW artificially slash their income at the whip of a pen with nothing to offset the loss of income either in the short term or long term. What a way to screw over your best retailers GW and what a great message to send to the entire retail chain.

Non-European retailers – May see some increase, but won’t get the large groundswell of new customers as pricing and general dissatisfaction from GW dictating who and where your customers can buy from and not addressing the real root cause will drive off people. Furthermore, if those local stores were also sourcing their product from outside their region, they just found out they are now restricted to local distributor as well thus likely cutting into their margins such as they were.

GW – Making it harder for your customers to buy stuff, restricting consumer choice, and making your product much more expensive and not addressing the root cause only gets you bad PR, lower sales, and lower profits. Sure, you will get better margin on each box sold, but you well sell fewer boxes overall, resulting in lower revenue.

Customers – fewer choices, higher prices. Nuff said.

So there you have it. Nobody is a winner.

Instead of addressing the root cause (pricing way out of line with long trending exchange rates) and adapting to the realities of the global economy, GW instead has tried to turn back the clock and resort to outright pricing fixing through restrictive trade practices. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb………

Has there been any supporting evidence provided on any of this yet? From page one this sounded anecdotal and I'm not sure anything has changed 10 pages later.

And as an ignorant american, can you explain just why the Australian prices are so inflated? Is there a fee GW is passing onto the consumers for exporting to AUS?