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NELS1031 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah that particular argument doesn't fly. GWOZ prices were not set based on wages, they were set based on exchange rates, and then never updated.

Try again.

Yes, and the prices that GW charge Australia for their product is no more out of whack then what Apple, Nike, Sony, Microsoft and most car manufacturers charge for their products when compared to US prices. Even with currency parity, you can't always have price parity, due to international shipping, tariff etc. Its complicated micro and macro economics at play.

I contemplated moving to Australia in the early 2000's and the recurring theme was that most goods are just plain more expensive over there, and its a begrudgingly accepted part of life. Why is GW evil or idiotic when they do what practically everyone else does in Australia?

I'm not trying to troll or anything, its just that I don't understand why in a land where its accepted to be paying extra then most of the world for anything, GW's business policy is such an absurdity.

May be because it is not so accepted as you believe it is?. Just a thought, generally speaking telling someone that they dont think what they think does not usually make for a good argument.

xxvaderxx wrote:May be because it is not so accepted as you believe it is?.

Then where are the large scale boycotts of companies that might be price discriminating? Such as Apple. Their stuff is made in china and shipped from there, yet there is a significant price difference between US and Aus prices even with shipping distances relatively the same, or in Australian favor.

xxvaderxx wrote: Just a thought, generally speaking telling someone that they dont think what they think does not usually make for a good argument.

I think there is a typo in there, or I'm reading it wrong, as I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. Elaborate?

Actually, just PM me. Don't want this thread derailed.

NELS1031 wrote:Then where are the large scale boycotts of companies that might be price discriminating?

There's a fairly wide gulf between being unhappy about something, and being upset enough about it to [a]do without it on principle and [b]put in the effort required to attempt to make a change.


Besides which, I don't think it started specifically as price discriminating. Not so very long ago, our dollar was worth half the US dollar... so everything that was imported (which is most things) was more expensive.

Now that the Oz dollar is going gangbusters, nobody's quite figured out what to do about it, or even whether anything should be done about it or if it's just going to settle itself down again later.

NELS1031 wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:May be because it is not so accepted as you believe it is?.

Then where are the large scale boycotts of companies that might be price discriminating? Such as Apple. Their stuff is made in china and shipped from there, yet there is a significant price difference between US and Aus prices even with shipping distances relatively the same, or in Australian favor.

What exactly do you call most of a country not buying local hiked prices? there is a reason GW is pulling this, its to brake the boycot you are asking for.

insaniak wrote:

NELS1031 wrote:Then where are the large scale boycotts of companies that might be price discriminating?

There's a fairly wide gulf between being unhappy about something, and being upset enough about it to [a]do without it on principle and [b]put in the effort required to attempt to make a change.


Besides which, I don't think it started specifically as price discriminating. Not so very long ago, our dollar was worth half the US dollar... so everything that was imported (which is most things) was more expensive.

Now that the Oz dollar is going gangbusters, nobody's quite figured out what to do about it, or even whether anything should be done about it or if it's just going to settle itself down again later.

There was a big furore over it recently wasn't there? When Gerry Harvey started complaining that Internet retailers were wrecking his business and he formed some sort of alliance with other retailers to try and convince the public that Internet Retailing had to go, inadvertently actually making the public aware of just how big the disparity was?

In fact it became quite a big issue for a while and then just died down.
But the common consensus was that after being price gouged for years people wanted the prices to drop, because even when our dollar wasn't as strong as it is now, we were still paying ridiculous prices.
Kinda fell to the wayside after the floods though,so I gues the retailers just wanted the issue to drop so they could keep continuing with their current practices.

Living in nz I am in te same boat as mu oz brothers. The other big 100-200% mark up here is games (PC, ps3...). I haven't sat down and worked it out but more than half my partners and my disposable income goes overseas. And most of our electronic items are imported as well. I never saw this as a boycott, we just make our money go as far as possible. If prices where within 10% of the uk we would buy locally again.

As would I deepeyes, as would most of those people buying from overseas.

Asuron wrote:
There was a big furore over it recently wasn't there? When Gerry Harvey started complaining that Internet retailers were wrecking his business and he formed some sort of alliance with other retailers to try and convince the public that Internet Retailing had to go, inadvertently actually making the public aware of just how big the disparity was?

In fact it became quite a big issue for a while and then just died down.
But the common consensus was that after being price gouged for years people wanted the prices to drop, because even when our dollar wasn't as strong as it is now, we were still paying ridiculous prices.
Kinda fell to the wayside after the floods though,so I gues the retailers just wanted the issue to drop so they could keep continuing with their current practices.

Gerry Harvey is a rip off witch who was whinging ebcause poeple had stopped buying his overpriced gak. A lot of other retailers distanced themselves from the dill weed who described avoiding taxes by buying o/s as "UnAustralian".

the fact is that even if you had added the 10% gst (same applies for GW stuff) buying from o/s is still significantly cheaper than buying local in a lot of instances.

I dont buy armies to play, i just paint, so if GW want to be witches and go through with this rumour i can boycott their stuff and not be affected, i feel for those who have already spent hundreds, if not thousands building their armeis and playing their game.

whats interesting to me is that Forge World (as yet) dont discriminate becuase you buy something from o/s, the price is the same no matter where you are

This wouldn't stop me playing 40k, nor my friends, as none of them buy online and I've only recently started looking at it. In our gaming group, honestly, I'd only be affected since I was planning on buying a new Fantasy army. Seeing as I can get it from Wayland games for about 50% of the price, I would have bought the start of it from there and then bought from my FLGS for the rest.

All this means is I'll be collecting my Vampire Counts a lot slower.

Special 'meeting' in some GW stores today (about this? hmm).

What i undestand is that GW will stop supplying indies that refuse to tow the GW line.

So if Maelstrom or Wayland decide that they won't tow the GW line they are dropped as customers and thus they no longer sell GW products.

Achaylus72 wrote:What i undestand is that GW will stop supplying indies that refuse to tow the GW line.

So if Maelstrom or Wayland decide that they won't tow the GW line they are dropped as customers and thus they no longer sell GW products.

Welcome to Dakka,

Pretty much that is one possible way it might go. However we are all waiting for the report today with should shed some light as to what is actualy happening, for reals.

when are we going to get the announcement? Nothing on the website as of yet, at 11:23pm AEST, which is 2:23pm GMT.

What BS! i would buy probably 20% of what i do now if this ever happened.

Or just start a different wargame.

ChocolateGork wrote:What BS! i would buy probably 20% of what i do now if this ever happened.

Or just start a different wargame.

I know what you mean. Though US retailers may still be available, and considering how well the AUD is doing against the dollar ATM, it may be worth it.

But if not, then my planned IG and DE army go down the drain, as does my new Tomb Kings army.

*IF* this is true it is possibly the most idiotic business decisions I have ever heard GW make, and they have made some stinkers in the past. If they do this they may as well write off the entire southern hemisphere market segment completely.

L. Wrex

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369106.page#2806527

Meetings weren't about this, seems they were about the resin rumours. Oh, and the models transfered over got a nice 10-15% price rise too. Thats on UK prices, not sure how Aus will weather it.

Vain wrote:

Achaylus72 wrote:What i undestand is that GW will stop supplying indies that refuse to tow the GW line.

So if Maelstrom or Wayland decide that they won't tow the GW line they are dropped as customers and thus they no longer sell GW products.

Welcome to Dakka,

Pretty much that is one possible way it might go. However we are all waiting for the report today with should shed some light as to what is actualy happening, for reals.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

I once spoke to a person in GW Australia Management as he was visiting one of the local stores in my extended area and i asked him why GW sells stuff here in Australia at 45% more than Europe and US and he arrogantly smiled at me and said, "Because we can". So that it is in a nutshell.

Maelstrom/Wayland are my option, i can't support the local shelf price, i refuse to blatantly ripped off by an arrogant organization such as GW Australia.

Case in point with the current value of the Aussie Dollar i bought two Chaos Space Marines Battleforces at Maelstrom at $148 Australian Dollars (with free delivery), while a single Chaos Space Marine Battleforce at GW is $150 Au shelf price, if you include the cost of travel that is a further $12.50 making it $162.50.


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Homunkulus wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369106.page#2806527

Meetings weren't about this, seems they were about the resin rumours. Oh, and the models transfered over got a nice 10-15% price rise too. Thats on UK prices, not sure how Aus will weather it.

Probably in accordance to GW Australia policy most likely a 30% rise, May is traditionally the Price hike season for GW Australia.

Achaylus72 wrote:I once spoke to a person in GW Australia Management as he was visiting one of the local stores in my extended area and i asked him why GW sells stuff here in Australia at 45% more than Europe and US and he arrogantly smiled at me and said, "Because we can". So that it is in a nutshell.

Sadly that is the case for a lot of our luxury and recreational things, specifically our man dollies and video games. Here is the same bitch from a videogame perspective http://games.on.net/article/12462/Get_Off_My_Lawn_Aussie_Game_Prices

Embargo confirmed:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5513351&postcount=180

Guys,
I've just received word from Games Workshop that I am ok to talk about the new changes.

I'm afraid it is bad news. This is all you need to know in a nutshell: independent retailers supplied from GW Northern Europe cannot sell GW products outside the EU, plus countries like Norway and Switzerland. I will be posting a list of all the countries we will be allowed to sell GW products to on a news article on our website shortly.

I will refrain from commenting about GW's decision, but suffice to say that I am very sad for all of you Rest of the World customers - and for our own business, of course. However, we're offering you an 18% off UK RRP voucher for all Games Workshop products until the 30th of May - check out our webstore for details.

I would like to thank you all for your support, now and in the future. And remember - the wargaming world does not revolve around Games Workshop's products, so I'll still be seeing you all for our very own BaneLegions as well as Hordes and Warmachine and suchlike!

Cheers

Rob Lane
MD, Maelstrom Games


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Bloody hell Baragash, how did you beat me that quickly!

I can imagine that Wayland and Maelstrom are quietly fuming right now. No idea what the percentage volume of their sales that Australasia makes up but I assume its not insignificant.

I'm not usually one for bold sweeping statements but in this case I feel it is justified, combined with the thinly veiled resin price rises. Well, feth GW and feth their strategy. I'm done with them. Completely. No more. And quite frankly, I imagine I won't be alone. They really are incompetent.

Wow... Way to pull the pin on a live grenade and then not throw it.

Welp, Mantic sure has my undivided attention now! And lots of other suppliers. If this is the way GW thinks they can operate, they can get stuffed.

Will definitely be buying through Maelstrom in the future though. They're still fantastic value for myself and my friends. And he's right, the Banelegions stuff is awesome.

Maelstrom Games wrote:Guys,
I've just received word from Games Workshop that I am ok to talk about the new changes.

I'm afraid it is bad news. This is all you need to know in a nutshell: independent retailers supplied from GW Northern Europe cannot sell GW products outside the EU, plus countries like Norway and Switzerland. I will be posting a list of all the countries we will be allowed to sell GW products to on a news article on our website shortly.

I will refrain from commenting about GW's decision, but suffice to say that I am very sad for all of you Rest of the World customers - and for our own business, of course. However, we're offering you an 18% off UK RRP voucher for all Games Workshop products until the 30th of May - check out our webstore for details.

I would like to thank you all for your support, now and in the future. And remember - the wargaming world does not revolve around Games Workshop's products, so I'll still be seeing you all for our very own BaneLegions as well as Hordes and Warmachine and suchlike!

Cheers

Rob Lane
MD, Maelstrom Games

Please say you at least brought up the fact that the Oceanic gamers are paying prices that were set during an inflated exchange rate during your conversations with GW?

This wasn't a case of people just bargainhunting for the best prices. This was a case of people are royally(no pun intended) boned simply because of the stupidity of setting prices during an exchange boom.

You gotta be kidding me. Screw this, I'm outta here until GW gets their head out of their ass. I'm just going to finish off what I have already, then switch over to Warmahordes. If they ever decide to lower prices, gimme a call, then we'll talk.

Are GW trying to go under while wanting PP to out-profit them?

OPk I just saw the post Maelstromgames put in their website. Counrtries that will say goodbye to Maelstrom: Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States - as well as those from Brazil, Chile, Peru, Russia, Japan and South Korea.

I´m from Brazil, Maelstrom and Wayland are my choice, thanks a lot GW.

Just a quick note, there are loads of UK mail forwarding companies which will give you a UK address, then will send on to any where in the world for a moderate cost. Obviously it is an increase in prices over free, but it would still work out cheaper for aussies and similar places with crazy price discrepancies. If anything, using one with one of the online distributors would lead to a pretty penny to be made on ebay now! (enough to pay for more models anyway).

Google 'UK forwarding address' for more info and some of the providers.

Well I'm sorry to hear about this. I only went to Maelstrom for GW stuff, as a FLGS opened here and it's either support that or go back to GWs only.

I hope they realise that this is a rather stupid idea so I can continue business soon.

All GW will get out of me until this is gone or the prices are sane is a $25 gift certificate, as they don't seem to believe in refunds. >_>

No doubt my friend will be mad, as he was a Tyranid player waiting for that second wave to come and already seemed bordering on just forgetting about it.

This is probably a silly question but... the war store is fine, right? They'll still ship to me in Canada, right?