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Made in gb
Scuttling Genestealer





London

I'm in Carshalton/Sutton, not too far from sutton high street and Rosehill , at my other halfs place at the moment but phoned a friend who works in the high street and my sister who lives there, luckily she's got some sense and her and my niece are staying at my mums tonight but she said theres people gathering there too. Hopefully nothing will happen but its still worrying.
   
Made in gb
Bryan Ansell





Birmingham, UK

An interesting article. Basically, where sense of community and belonging doesn't exist something will rise up to fill the vacum.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/camila-batmanghelidjh-caring-costs-ndash-but-so-do-riots-2333991.html

Quoted below for those that cannot access the link.


Shops looted, cars and buildings burnt out, young adults in hoods on the rampage.

London has woken up to street violence, and the usual narratives have emerged – punish those responsible for the violence because they are "opportunist criminals" and "disgusting thieves". The slightly more intellectually curious might blame the trouble on poor police relations or lack of policing.

My own view is that the police in this country do an impressive job and unjustly carry the consequences of a much wider social dysfunction. Before you take a breath of sarcasm thinking "here she goes, excusing the criminals with some sob story", I want to begin by stating two things. First, violence and looting can never be justified. Second, for those of us working at street level, we're not surprised by these events.

Twitter and Facebook have kept the perverse momentum going, transmitting invitations such as: "Bare shops are gonna get smashed up. So come, get some (free stuff!!!!) F... the feds we will send them back with OUR riot! Dead the ends and colour war for now. So If you see a brother... SALUTE! If you see a fed... SHOOT!"

If this is a war, the enemy, on the face of it, are the "lawless", the defenders are the law-abiding. An absence of morality can easily be found in the rioters and looters. How, we ask, could they attack their own community with such disregard? But the young people would reply "easily", because they feel they don't actually belong to the community. Community, they would say, has nothing to offer them. Instead, for years they have experienced themselves cut adrift from civil society's legitimate structures. Society relies on collaborative behaviour; individuals are held accountable because belonging brings personal benefit. Fear or shame of being alienated keeps most of us pro-social.

Working at street level in London, over a number of years, many of us have been concerned about large groups of young adults creating their own parallel antisocial communities with different rules. The individual is responsible for their own survival because the established community is perceived to provide nothing. Acquisition of goods through violence is justified in neighbourhoods where the notion of dog eat dog pervades and the top dog survives the best. The drug economy facilitates a parallel subculture with the drug dealer producing more fiscally efficient solutions than the social care agencies who are too under-resourced to compete.

The insidious flourishing of anti-establishment attitudes is paradoxically helped by the establishment. It grows when a child is dragged by their mother to social services screaming for help and security guards remove both; or in the shiny academies which, quietly, rid themselves of the most disturbed kids. Walk into the mental hospitals and there is nothing for the patients to do except peel the wallpaper. Go to the youth centre and you will find the staff have locked themselves up in the office because disturbed young men are dominating the space with their violent dogs. Walk on the estate stairwells with your baby in a buggy manoeuvring past the condoms, the needles, into the lift where the best outcome is that you will survive the urine stench and the worst is that you will be raped. The border police arrive at the neighbour's door to grab an "over-stayer" and his kids are screaming. British children with no legal papers have mothers surviving through prostitution and still there's not enough food on the table.

It's not one occasional attack on dignity, it's a repeated humiliation, being continuously dispossessed in a society rich with possession. Young, intelligent citizens of the ghetto seek an explanation for why they are at the receiving end of bleak Britain, condemned to a darkness where their humanity is not even valued enough to be helped. Savagery is a possibility within us all. Some of us have been lucky enough not to have to call upon it for survival; others, exhausted from failure, can justify resorting to it.

Our leaders still speak about how protecting the community is vital. The trouble is, the deal has gone sour. The community has selected who is worthy of help and who is not. In this false moral economy where the poor are described as dysfunctional, the community fails. One dimension of this failure is being acted out in the riots; the lawlessness is, suddenly, there for all to see. Less visible is the perverse insidious violence delivered through legitimate societal structures. Check out the price of failing to care.

I got a call yesterday morning. The kids gave me a run-down of what had happened in Brixton. A street party had been invaded by a group of young men out to grab. A few years ago, the kids who called me would have joined in, because they had nothing to lose. One had been permanently excluded from six schools. When he first arrived at Kids Company he cared so little that he would smash his head into a pane of glass and bite his own flesh off with rage. He'd think nothing of hurting others. After intensive social care and support he walked away when the riots began because he held more value in his membership of a community that has embraced him than a community that demanded his dark side.

It costs money to care. But it also costs money to clear up riots, savagery and antisocial behaviour. I leave it to you to do the financial and moral sums.




   
Made in us
Imperial Agent Provocateur




Mississippi

This is why I like living in the country - you usually know when strangers are up to no good. Country living also affords better fields of fire.

Anyway, haven't seen it listed anywhere here but with all the looting and burning going on I was wondering about any GW stores being hit. Its not right in any way, but you can see why looters target certain types of stores like electronics stores and such as its high dollar merchandise. GW stores wouldn't normally be something that a looter would typically target - set on fire maybe. Just wondering because of the number of GW stores that are supposed to be in your larger cities.

Good luck and stay safe.
   
Made in ca
Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Surely, the UK has some sort of "Riot Act" that can be enacted now?

 
   
Made in gb
Stabbin' Skarboy





England


(Yes, he's stealing the clothes off his back. People like this don't deserve to live)

The question isn't why do I kill. The question is, why I don't kill everybody. 
   
Made in gb
Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

Archaro - no idea about how the riots have affected GW stores, but my FLGS manager was telling me about a break in at Bradford (a big indian / pakistani area) where they broke in and nicked the crappy tv that was on the wall. An old thing that you'd flog for a fiver at a carboot sale.

They then came back a few days later and stole a calculator from bhind the till, probably thinking it was the remote control, completely ignoring the £100s of miniatures that were there out for the taking! Lol at stupid people.

Kanuck - just found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Act_1986 not a riot act as such, which was dropped in 1973 (forbidding groups of more than 12 people). Like I say, not a riot act per se, just the only thing I could find in a few minutes of googling.

Anyway, my garage was broken into a few weeks ago (completely unrelated, obviously).

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Made in gb
Dakka Veteran






United Kingdom

Anyway, haven't seen it listed anywhere here but with all the looting and burning going on I was wondering about any GW stores being hit.


Yeah somehow I don't think the looter's will take a Land Raider over a pair of Nike's. Yet they probably would bust one up if they felt like it, it seems to be random enough. We'll have to wait and see what happens tonight. Only time will tell if the 16,000 officers can control it - not to mention the rest of the UK. I hope it's enough, I fear it might not be and they should have brought the army in, just to send a psychological message more than anything else. Sadly if the police started to break limbs there'd be an uncountable amount of investigations and the 'victims' would no doubt sue...

Would it be possible to seek asylum from Britain? Can you do that or does it have to be a literal warzone?

Surely, the UK has some sort of "Riot Act" that can be enacted now?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act

Wishful thinking my friend, wishful thinking

   
Made in jp
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

All my office got sent home from work at 4 today, in case of trouble.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




Happen all this rioting is threatening supplies of beer to pubs.

That's war that is....KILL THEM ALL!
   
Made in gb
Jealous that Horus is Warmaster






KamikazeCanuck wrote:Surely, the UK has some sort of "Riot Act" that can be enacted now?
But the thing is that the police will not do much because if they do come down hard on the rioters they would properly get sued.


 
   
Made in us
Imperial Agent Provocateur




Mississippi

warspawned wrote:Yeah somehow I don't think the looter's will take a Land Raider over a pair of Nike's.


Kind of what I was getting at. Breaking into a gaming store would probably not be high on a looters list unless the store had DVD's or a TV/Gaming system around. The crappy TV and calculator that Kitch102 mentioned being stolen - now thats desperate and lame. How long before Nerd-rage takes over and a GW store does get looted for their high priced models though?

Sad times all over.
   
Made in gb
Stabbin' Skarboy





England

I can imagine the looters breaking into a GW and seeing the poor quality of the Finecast models and just walking out in disgust.

The question isn't why do I kill. The question is, why I don't kill everybody. 
   
Made in us
Imperial Agent Provocateur




Mississippi

MrH wrote:I can imagine the looters breaking into a GW and seeing the poor quality of the Finecast models and just walking out in disgust.


Wouldn't that be a kick in the GW nuggets.
   
Made in gb
Barpharanges







Just listened to the BBC recording of two 17 year old girls who claimed anyone who had a business was rich (excuse to destroy local property and loot) and said it was to tell the Police and rich people that they could do what they want. What a bunch off idiots.

The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.  
   
Made in ca
Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






I miss the good ole' days when all looters would be shot on site.

 
   
Made in gb
Barpharanges







That would be considered "Wrong" now, even if they destroyed peoples lives, homes and businesses but no just let them get on with it.

The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.  
   
Made in gb
Stabbin' Skarboy





England

We care more about the criminals than the innocent public. Put those MP5s to good use I say.

The question isn't why do I kill. The question is, why I don't kill everybody. 
   
Made in nl
Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings






North of your position

My solution is get in the army, and do the Russian way; either use bullets or rubber bullets on those criminal scum.

   
Made in gb
Barpharanges







Lets infect them with the zombie virus that the government has, always goes well in the films. But seriously just use bullets, rubber, plastic or real I don't care.

The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.  
   
Made in us
Crafty Bray Shaman





Watching the live videos of this is truly depressing. Stay safe dakkanauts.

 
   
Made in gb
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle





Oxfordshire UK

Can any of you Dakkanauts that are based in London let me know how it is in Hammersmith/Shepherds Bush?
My wife works in Hammersmith on a Friday and Saturday. Just want to gauge the mood there somehow before I tell her to phone in sick!


 
   
Made in us
Crafty Bray Shaman





The live footage also shows all the vandalists run as soon as riot police show up. If they feel so strong and want their voices heard, you'd think they'd actually not flee in fear.

 
   
Made in us
Dive-Bombin' Fighta-Bomba Pilot






thenoobbomb wrote:My solution is get in the army, and do the Russian way.





-walks away brushing hands off-
   
Made in nl
Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings






North of your position

Nicely done WARORK.

   
Made in ca
Executing Exarch






Hopefully you guys have some sound cannons and the balls to use them, the hippies bitched to the high heavens when we had them for the G20...

Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
 
   
Made in us
Hangin' with Gork & Mork






A lot of the people posting in this thread don't seem much better than the people they are calling for violence against.

Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
 
   
Made in gb
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle





Oxfordshire UK

Ahtman wrote:A lot of the people posting in this thread don't seem much better than the people they are calling for violence against.


Really? Could it be because most of the people who live in England, especially London, are fed up with the culture that seems to be rife here at the moment? Or maybe it's because our Gov't and Police are so hamstrung by their own laws (stand up Human Rights Act 1998, I'm talking to you) that they are next to useless? Or maybe it's just because we are fed up with little gaks wandering around thinking that the world owes them something......

Not to mention that if anyone of us were to actually clout one of these little 'darlings' that we caught looting our shop, we would be the ones put in prison and/or sued. Thankyou America for that awesome addition to our lives!


 
   
Made in ca
Executing Exarch






I dont think asking for a quick resolution is comparable to the rioters. If anything its a great testing ground for anti riot technology, might as well take advantage of it while you can justify it.

Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
 
   
Made in gb
Stealthy Space Wolves Scout





Lincolnshire

heacy hitter wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Surely, the UK has some sort of "Riot Act" that can be enacted now?
But the thing is that the police will not do much because if they do come down hard on the rioters they would properly get sued.


It's ridiculous.

Anyone doing gak like this should automatically give up their human rights, and thus be punished by the full extent of the law.

Kill'em all, I say.
   
Made in gb
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle





Oxfordshire UK

And for those of you advocating sound cannons......bring em on!



 
   
 
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