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My point was, Toyotas kill people. Alot of people. By randomly accelerating and crashing.

Then you would be right.

In fact. Water kills people too. Water is conspiring against us as we speak. I think we should punish the Water. Leave Dogs for later.

I propose the Dangerous Water Act.

I actually might be wrong, I lost what my original point was

Mr Hyena wrote:Its like cars. A car is a car. A car can be 'posh' and a sportscar.

But at the end of the day its still just a car; no different from a Toyota or an old banger of a car.

This is a categorically incorrect statement.

Different makes and models are actually pretty different.

This is a categorically incorrect statement.

Different makes and models are actually pretty different.

Oh it will have its own unique functions, gadgets etc. Of course.

Its still just a car though.

Dogs are the same. There are 'cute' dogs, 'smart' dogs and 'aggressive' dogs. Yet all dogs have the same capacity to be aggressive/violent/lethal much in the same way that all cars have the capacity to drive.

So I guess we shouldn't bother shopping around for safer cars then?

I suggest we all buy cars with spikes bolted to the insides. Pointing in, obviously. Also, seatbelts will be disallowed in this.

Actually allow seat belts I feel, but specially designed ones around the neck.

Deathrace is a beautiful thing.

But that brings up a good question. No, we shouldn't stop looking for 'safer' cars. What we should do; should also be tempered by the fact a car, like a wild animal; is a lethal device regardless of how many precautions are taken.

And having an un-neutered male dog is asking for trouble (As much as I disagree with the treatment)

Mr Hyena wrote:Deathrace is a beautiful thing.

I keep getting told I'm a bad person for liking Deathrace 2000.

I got people over that; by randomly shouting out "Ten points for that old lady!"; in a Harry Potter world-ish voice.

Mr Hyena wrote:I got people over that; by randomly shouting out "Ten points for that old lady!"; in a Harry Potter world-ish voice.

From now on I'm going to start referring to England as Harry Potter World.

Mr Hyena wrote:I got people over that; by randomly shouting out "Ten points for that old lady!"; in a Harry Potter world-ish voice.

"Ten points for Gryffindor!" announced Dumbledore, as Hermoine ran down her fifth muggle that day.

Perhaps thats how we solve violence in this world. Dogs, Humans, Cars whatever.

Toss a dart on a map once every 2-3 years or so...wherever it lands gets to host a Deathrace!. I can see it now; the headlines and the shock horror as a Pit Bull manages to win it (claims of the breed being aggressive again); just beating out Old Lady Maple down the street in her pimped out Rocket-Launcher wielding scooter.

I don't have time to read all post so I apologize if I repeat what someone else said, but has anyone mentioned breeding? There are many cases with pits and rots where puppy mills inter breed them repeatedly which creates mentally unstable dogs-which commonly results in aggressive dogs. It's very important to be able to trace their genealogy to ensure proper breeding. And as to a previous post about them not being safe around small children. That is true, but it also true about many dogs.

Mr Hyena wrote:Yet all dogs have the same capacity to be aggressive/violent/lethal much in the same way that all cars have the capacity to drive.

So all Chihuahuas are just as lethal as Pit Bulls? I always thought of them as fiercely annoying, but I didn't know they were equally as dangerous in a mortal sense. not all dogs are equally aggressive/violent/lethal, and they aren't equitable when it comes to practical capability to be lethal either.

The Toy breeds are VERY dangerous with children. (One wonders why someone would leave a dog unmonitored with a very young child...but then again; this is the world we're talking about)

I wouldn't put it past a chihuahua male to do that to a young child.

Still the whole "I have had two Pit Bulls in my life and they never did anything like this; they were the sweetest dogs I have ever seen", sounds very similar to "My Grandpa smoked cigarettes till he was 99 and was very healthy". Sure there are some pits out there that seem as sweet as a daschund, but for the most part the aggression that has been bred into the breed shows up more often than not.

Come on chaps, I don't wish to sound condescending, gak, I dont think I am an intellectual powerhouse, and I am more interested in titty movies and drinking cans than reading books, but some of what you lads type is almost so ridiculous it doesn't warrant a lengthy reply surely?

The car analogy is ridiculous, is an electric car as dangerous as a car that can do 0-60 in 3 seconds, and practically begs you to drive it fast!?

Can a Jack Russell realistically kill you? What would you rather have swinging off your bollocks?! A gakky little 10 inch dog or 150lbs of muscle and teeth?

Which would scare you more eh? A Jack Russell driving a milk float towards you or a Rottweiler drunk driving in a Ford Capri?

Hang on.. I'm confused.

Lord Scythican wrote:Still the whole "I have had two Pit Bulls in my life and they never did anything like this; they were the sweetest dogs I have ever seen", sounds very similar to "My Grandpa smoked cigarettes till he was 99 and was very healthy". Sure there are some pits out there that seem as sweet as a daschund, but for the most part the aggression that has been bred into the breed shows up more often than not.

Do I really have to go through this again?

PS the car analogy does seem pretty stupid.

Kragura wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Still the whole "I have had two Pit Bulls in my life and they never did anything like this; they were the sweetest dogs I have ever seen", sounds very similar to "My Grandpa smoked cigarettes till he was 99 and was very healthy". Sure there are some pits out there that seem as sweet as a daschund, but for the most part the aggression that has been bred into the breed shows up more often than not.

Do I really have to go through this again?

PS the car analogy does seem pretty stupid.

Probably, I skipped like 8 pages.

Mr Hyena wrote:The Toy breeds are VERY dangerous with children.

Of course a great many things that wouldn't be dangerous to an adult can be fatal to a child, so that isn't saying much.

Ahhh, the amusing irony some humans can bring.

KingCracker wrote:My point was, Toyotas kill people. Alot of people. By randomly accelerating and crashing.

I just don't understand why no one thought to put the car in neutral.

Yea me neither. Or shut the ignition off. OR is that an older car thing?

Just curious with this article. Have they actually analyzed how the owners treated this dog?

Do you also take into account why most people who own pittbulls own pittbulls. Sure some of them own them because they really think they are great and beautifull dogs. I But i am willig to bet 50 bucks on the fact that most own them because of the history of the breed. The fact they are fighters. A sort of my dog can kill your dog kind of thing. Coupled with the fact that most owners who i know that have bulls with anger issues are new to the dog owner thing and such do not handle the dogs as they should be kills more bulls then the fact of bulls themselfs

Why is everyone talking about the dogs? Has it gone unnoticed that the fact here is that a woman and her unborn baby were killed? People are supposed to be responsible for and towards their dogs. Not the other way around. Main reason obviously being the dogs can't be responsible for the person. (Don't ask me why, if you don't know, I can't tell you) Instead of doing something about the pitbull's, there should be something done to prevent something like this from happening again. I feel very sorry for the death of that woman and the child, and I understand I'm being insensitive when I say this. But they should have known better when they bought the dog, they should have known better when they had the dog in the same room as them. They bought the dog, they should've known the history of tendencies behind the dog. What happened was their fault. With that being said, a gentle dog does not equal a non violent dog and vice versa. Yes, it is the owners responsibility to train the dog, but it is the people that need to be protected from the violent tendencies of the animal, not the other way around. Meaning a person that did not train their dog well; still must be protected from the animal. You can't just naively say that pitbull's are not dangerous animals if you know about the history of attacks they've committed.

LumenPraebeo wrote:Why is everyone talking about the dogs? Has it gone unnoticed that the fact here is that a woman and her unborn baby were killed? People are supposed to be responsible for and towards their dogs. Not the other way around. Main reason obviously being the dogs can't be responsible for the person. (Don't ask me why, if you don't know, I can't tell you) Instead of doing something about the pitbull's, there should be something done to prevent something like this from happening again. I feel very sorry for the death of that woman and the child, and I understand I'm being insensitive when I say this. But they should have known better when they bought the dog, they should have known better when they had the dog in the same room as them. They bought the dog, they should've known the history of tendencies behind the dog. What happened was their fault. With that being said, a gentle dog does not equal a non violent dog and vice versa. Yes, it is the owners responsibility to train the dog, but it is the people that need to be protected from the violent tendencies of the animal, not the other way around. Meaning a person that did not train their dog well; still must be protected from the animal. You can't just naively say that pitbull's are not dangerous animals if you know about the history of attacks they've committed.

As the wise Hanlon's Razor states: 'Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.'

LumenPraebeo wrote:Why is everyone talking about the dogs? Has it gone unnoticed that the fact here is that a woman and her unborn baby were killed? People are supposed to be responsible for and towards their dogs. Not the other way around. Main reason obviously being the dogs can't be responsible for the person. (Don't ask me why, if you don't know, I can't tell you) Instead of doing something about the pitbull's, there should be something done to prevent something like this from happening again. I feel very sorry for the death of that woman and the child, and I understand I'm being insensitive when I say this. But they should have known better when they bought the dog, they should have known better when they had the dog in the same room as them. They bought the dog, they should've known the history of tendencies behind the dog. What happened was their fault. With that being said, a gentle dog does not equal a non violent dog and vice versa. Yes, it is the owners responsibility to train the dog, but it is the people that need to be protected from the violent tendencies of the animal, not the other way around. Meaning a person that did not train their dog well; still must be protected from the animal. You can't just naively say that pitbull's are not dangerous animals if you know about the history of attacks they've committed.

Look in the first page, myself and a few others mentioned the woman. I asked about her and the baby, they both died. What else is there to talk about after that?

Red Comet wrote:Just curious with this article. Have they actually analyzed how the owners treated this dog?

I think the fact that the Husband plans to bury the cremated ashes of the dog that killed his wife and unborn child, with them, is a pretty good indicator.