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Mistress of Minis here's a fun fact for you. Golden Retrievers are susceptible to having "Addison's Disease", which causes them to have hypersensitivity and become agitated far easier than normal. I've owned two Goldens, and the first one(Rusty, male who lived to be 18) was very lazy and easygoing.
The second one, Annie, has Addison's. Annie is a radically different situation. Whereas Rusty was perfectly safe to have around children, I don't let Annie spend too much time around strangers simply because it agitates her and gets her all strung out and increases the chance she might snap at someone simply for petting her. According to the vet, that's not uncommon in Goldens with Addison's so it's taken a lot of getting used to.

I am surrounded by a bunch of wimps who are afraid of a animal

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:So i am just a lucky one who has never been ripped apart by the 4 pits i have lived with seems like a hundred percent chance i should be dead by now but whatever AMERICAN TERRIERS /PITS will just kill you. Until you own one i don't wanna hear your opinion

And until you get attacked by one I don't want to hear yours.

I'm glad that you weren't attacked by your own dogs but that doesn't mean that others have had the stellar experiences with the breed you have had. Just ask the woman in the story... oh, wait.. we can't... because her gentle pitbull killed her in her sleep. Why would I want to own a dog from a breed that personally attacked me unprovoked and that constantly gets bad press? Just to prove you wrong at the expense of my own well being? Pass.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:I am surrounded by a bunch of wimps who are afraid of a animal

You use the 'thumbs up' icon a lot... anyways, German Shepherds are better because they can bite the hell out of you and then proceed to beat you up with blunt force from their tail.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:I am surrounded by a bunch of wimps who are afraid of a animal

How many bears do you own?

How many armed men would you let into your house?

warboss wrote:

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:So i am just a lucky one who has never been ripped apart by the 4 pits i have lived with seems like a hundred percent chance i should be dead by now but whatever AMERICAN TERRIERS /PITS will just kill you. Until you own one i don't wanna hear your opinion

And until you get attacked by one I don't want to hear yours.

I'm glad that you weren't attacked by your own dogs but that doesn't mean that others have had the stellar experiences with the breed you have had. Just ask the woman in the story... oh, wait.. we can't... because her gentle pitbull killed her in her sleep. Why would I want to own a dog from a breed that personally attacked me unprovoked and that constantly gets bad press? Just to prove you wrong at the expense of my own well being? Pass.

But..would you suggest an entire breed be wiped out ( as some do advocate), simply because some have proven to be dangerous??...

Have i been attacked by a pit yeah not my own and plenty of other dogs who were just running free .. yepper i like the thumbs up icon. Willl i wipe out a entire species of animals hell no whats wrong with you. Yall are just hating on a isolated attack i am sure if we looked hard enough any other breed of aggressive dog tragedy can be found I would not let any armed men in my house and my dogs make sure i do not.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Have i been attacked by a pit yeah not my own and plenty of other dogs who were just running free .. yepper i like the thumbs up icon. Willl i wipe out a entire species of animals hell no whats wrong with you. Yall are just hating on a isolated attack i am sure if we looked hard enough any other breed of aggressive dog tragedy can be found I would not let any armed men in my house and my dogs make sure i do not.

So you don't understand what danger is.

This seems like another conversation I've had.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Have i been attacked by a pit yeah not my own and plenty of other dogs who were just running free .. yepper i like the thumbs up icon. Willl i wipe out a entire species of animals hell no whats wrong with you. Yall are just hating on a isolated attack i am sure if we looked hard enough any other breed of aggressive dog tragedy can be found

Translation Software Active wrote: Have I been attacked by a pit bull? Yeah, not my own--and plenty of other dogs who were just running free! Yep, I like the thumbs up icon. Will I wipe out an entire species of animals? Hell no, what's wrong with you? You all are just disrespecting because of an isolated attack. I am sure if we looked hard enough, any other breed of aggressive dog tragedy can be found.

Here's the problem, Wiley. It's not an "isolated attack". While "pit bull" is a broad category, as demonstrated by the CDC dog bite information--they are responsible for the majority of fatal attacks. You likely have more of a chance to be attacked and killed by a pit bull than a shark.

Yes is is isolated there are several dogs above pits for number one attacks . It is only a danger if it is wild or if you don't know how to own a big dog i have been only attacked by mutt breeds and one wild pit who was running the street by herself...Period

But your experiences are not the experiences of every single individual. Your experiences are what is referred to as "anecdotal evidence".

... ...So, what's the solution then?...( that will be a freaking novelty to see down here in the OT), legaslation passed against ownership of Pits?...Breeding them out of existance?...putting them in a zoo and charging people to look at the vicious doggy ...what " Bubble wrap" gets used to make this a "safer world to live in"?

Field Marshal Wiley wrote: Willl i wipe out a entire species of animals hell no whats wrong with you.

I certainly didn't suggest anything like that. Did I miss someone in this thread advocating that? If so, can you quote the person for me?

FITZZ wrote: But..would you suggest an entire breed be wiped out ( as some do advocate), simply because some have proven to be dangerous??...

Again, no, I don't suggest anything of the sort, just like I don't suggest wiping out any (wild) breed or species that has a propensity or reputation of attacking humans like raccoons, sharks, or manbearpigs. What I suggest is that they don't make the greatest choice for an average owner as a household pet due to matters that are outside of that individual owner's control (like breeding for aggression for the past century by ignorant people who are just as inbred as their pets). Don't treat it like you would a small lap dog that is capable of far less harm. If that dog had slept away from its masters instead of being left alone with a vulnerable person (whether a child or sleeping adult), the woman in the story would be alive. If the idiot owner of the dog in my story had left the dog at home instead of leaving a large, powerful breed unattended in a car with half open windows capable of admitting most of its body out, I wouldn't have been attacked.

warboss wrote:

Field Marshal Wiley wrote: Willl i wipe out a entire species of animals hell no whats wrong with you.

I certainly didn't suggest anything like that. Did I miss someone in this thread advocating that? If so, can you quote the person for me?

FITZZ wrote: But..would you suggest an entire breed be wiped out ( as some do advocate), simply because some have proven to be dangerous??...

Again, no, I don't suggest anything of the sort, just like I don't suggest wiping out any (wild) breed or species that has a propensity or reputation of attacking humans like raccoons, sharks, or manbearpigs. What I suggest is that they don't make the greatest choice for an average owner as a household pet due to matters that are outside of that individual owner's control (like breeding for aggression for the past century by ignorant people who are just as inbred as their pets). Don't treat it like you would a small lap dog that is capable of far less harm. If that dog had slept away from its masters instead of being left alone with a vulnerable person (whether a child or sleeping adult), the woman in the story would be alive. If the idiot owner of the dog in my story had left the dog at home instead of leaving a large, powerful breed unattended in a car with half open windows capable of admitting most of its body out, I wouldn't have been attacked.

ANd that makes perfect sense, they are a potentialy dangerous breed, and knowing this and taking resposibility and properly training them goes hand in hand with ownership.

FITZZ wrote:... ...So, what's the solution then?...( that will be a freaking novelty to see down here in the OT), legaslation passed against ownership of Pits?...Breeding them out of existance?...putting them in a zoo and charging people to look at the vicious doggy ...what " Bubble wrap" gets used to make this a "safer world to live in"?

How about a special license needed to own one? One that requires you register the dog and its breeding (to prove its not an inbred fighting dog from a disreputable breeder) as well as take courses on how to properly raise and train the dog from a breed that is (however incorrectly you may think) categorized as high risk. Don't want to take the course? Then don't own an animal capable of killing an adult human. Can't verify your dog hasn't been inbred for multiple generations leading to erratic behavior? Should have asked for proof before buying it. There are reasonable solutions between "do nothing" and "kill them all". You may be surprised to hear that some people think doing the former is just as idiotic as the latter.

The bubble wrap idea sounds really cool but frankly would do nothing to protect against a full grown pitbull. Dogs in general don't seem to have the same fascination with the squishiness and popping sound of bubblewrap as humans. My terrier was downright skittish at the noise.

warboss wrote:

FITZZ wrote:... ...So, what's the solution then?...( that will be a freaking novelty to see down here in the OT), legaslation passed against ownership of Pits?...Breeding them out of existance?...putting them in a zoo and charging people to look at the vicious doggy ...what " Bubble wrap" gets used to make this a "safer world to live in"?

How about a special license needed to own one? One that requires you register the dog and its breeding (to prove its not an inbred fighting dog from a disreputable breeder) as well as take courses on how to properly raise and train the dog from a breed that is (however incorrectly you may think) categorized as high risk. Don't want to take the course? Then don't own an animal capable of killing an adult human. Can't verify your dog hasn't been inbred for multiple generations leading to erratic behavior? Should have asked for proof before buying it. There are reasonable solutions between "do nothing" and "kill them all". You may be surprised to hear that some people think doing the former is just as idiotic as the latter.

The bubble wrap idea sounds really cool but frankly would do nothing to protect against a full grown pitbull. Dogs in general don't seem to have the same fascination with the squishiness and popping sound of bubblewrap as humans. My terrier was downright skittish at the noise.

Again, sensible ...perhaps a bit intrusive...but sensible, I'd not balk at the idea of insuring a pup I got wasn't an inbred " fighting dog", nor have a problem with courses ( might learn a few things)...

...The " Bubble wrap" comment was a bit of a rant, I tend to get a bit testy with " safety nazi's" at times, and " Bubble wrapping the world...for your own good" is a bit of a...thing with me and some friends.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Yes is is isolated there are several dogs above pits for number one attacks . It is only a danger if it is wild or if you don't know how to own a big dog i have been only attacked by mutt breeds and one wild pit who was running the street by herself...Period

No, its a danger because it can become wild, and has demonstrated a propensity to do so, making it a particular danger.

If you cannot accept the shortcomings of a thing which you advocate the, quite honestly, you're not doing that thing any justice; you're just lying.

Quite honestly, you're part of the problem. People that say X is not dangerous because they have not experienced the threat of X are part of the reason X gets restricted; and gets people killed.

You want people to accept Pits, then admit they're dangerous. It isn't hard.

Pits use to be used to hunt Bears and Boars and yes they can kill can mine sure ..But Have they not BECAUSE IAM A RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER WHO TRAINS DOGS PROPERLY will they ever i dont think so.

Dogs are not naturally insane, but inbreeding by humans has turned them into something that needs to be stopped, by not breeding any more of the fanged little gits that are likely to bite you.

Carrots used to be purple.

Poodles used to be really HUGE, working dogs, not tiny little things the size of a cat.

We, as humans have produced bastardized versions of what exists in nature.

I've seen idiots turn their pits into killing machines so that they can look so damned cool, and I have seen owners with their pits whom their babies sleep with them.

The owner who lets their pitbull sleep with their baby is just as much of an idiot as the owner who turned theirs into a killing machine. Perhaps not as much of a nasty person, but definitely just as stupid.

Even sensible owners of well-trained dogs absolutely DO NOT leave them alone with young children or babies. That's just downright mentally slowed by any measure of the words.

I am of the opinion that the place for a dog, is outside, in a kennel, not indoors and treated like a human.

Owners do this far too much these days, they treat their animals as if they were humans, let them in their house and beds, feed them the same food they eat etc. and this absolutely should not be done, dogs are pack animals and if you start allowing them every luxury that they want they will begin to think that they are the alpha of the pack and that's when you start getting problems.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Pits use to be used to hunt Bears and Boars and yes they can kill can mine sure ..But Have they not BECAUSE IAM A RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER WHO TRAINS DOGS PROPERLY will they ever i dont think so.

No, you know how to train Pits properly. People that can train, say, Labs, cannot necessarily train Pits.

They are different dogs, and part of the difference is the increased aggression, which makes Pits more dangerous.

Forget that the problem Dogma is people dont know how to handle animals that can lean towards a aggressive nature and then decide to wipe them out. or continue to raise them to be aggessive monsters !

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Because Jerks make jerk dogs i lived with a guy who was into weight training and trying to make guard dogs...But i kicked him out for not paying rent and guess what the scumbag left his two dogs and after less than 4 month of rehab at not being aggressive they became calm dogs and Once again never turned on me or any one of my friends or children or cats or anything. Why do i want to have a pit because i love big dogs and i love pits

But you can't train a dog to absolutely never freak out and panic. You can't do it. Nope, don't pretend otherwise, because you're not magic. Just like it doesn't matter how careful and skillful a driver you are, you can't guarantee that you'll never have a crash.

At which point, everyone realises that given there's hundreds of models of cars out there that don't have a chance of exploding when they crash but are just as capable of driving you around, so they ignore the Pinto and go and buy one of the non-explodey cars.

And yet, despite there being hundreds of breeds of dog that are just loving and affectionate as pitbulls but can't gore people to death, people keep talking about how their pit would never ever freak out, and every pit that did freak out must have been mistreated. It's fething ridiculous.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Forget that the problem Dogma is people dont know how to handle animals that can lean towards a aggressive nature and then decide to wipe them out. or continue to raise them to be aggessive monsters !

This, again, is an example of why you're part of the problem. Instead of reading what I'm saying you're assuming that I want Pits banned/eradicated because I think they are particularly dangerous dogs. I don't. I just want Pit advocates to actually be honest about their animal of choice.

Of course dogs get scared and freakout my pit is scarred of all loud noises or raise voices fire works, a party next door etc. No i am not a dog wizard but GOD they are not all that killing machine they are made out to be. Dammit thats all i am trying to say !

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Ahtman ever owned a pit then i dont wanna hear it i have had little dogs tear me up more than a random street dog

As I pointed out in my post earlier that you vaguely kind of responded to, every dog can freak out and bite. It's less likely in some, more likely in others, but every dog no matter how well raised has a chance of doing so.

But when that does happen, the severity of the freak varies a hell of a lot from breed to breed. A Cavalier King Charles won't break the skin, and will likely just leave a massive blob saliva, which is gross but not lethal. A pitbull is likely to kill a person.

Running that risk, when a person is free to pick any breed of dog and they can all be described as lovable and great with kids is absolutely fething bonkers, just as it is absolutely fething bonkers to drive around in a Ford Pinto when there's so many other cars out there that will get you from A to B without ever exploding.

sebster wrote:And yet, despite there being hundreds of breeds of dog that are just loving and affectionate as pitbulls but can't gore people to death, people keep talking about how their pit would never ever freak out, and every pit that did freak out must have been mistreated. It's fething ridiculous.

This. I have had a pet dog, but would I have let it sleep in my bed, or sit at my table or have anything other than ZERO tolerance for any aggressive behaviour it displayed whatsoever?

No, I wouldn't.

Yet, all these namby-pamby liberal "pitbulls are so lovely, let them sleep with you!" morons would probably tell me that I was being cruel for raising my voice to my dog and sending it outside, in the rain on one of the few occasions when it snapped at someone. Or that I was being a "cruel dog hater" for not letting an animal with:

- Sharp jaws and teeth.
- All sorts of natural parasites.
- Potential for soiling itself.

.. roam around in my house and sleep in my bed all the time. Just because a dog is unlikely to cause you harm, you cannot guarantee it under any circumstances... history is full of examples of people that have been killed or mauled by their beloved pets, or had their loved ones killed/mauled.

To all you liberal cotton-wool pitbull owners:

- By keeping my dog in a kennel, outside, was I somehow acting "cruel" in your eyes?
- By not letting it sleep with little toddlers or laze around on the couch, was I also being "cruel"?

I really just don't get it, some of you posting on here are far, far too emotionally attached and it's completely blinding you to the fact that dogs actually have teeth and are mostly fully capable of killing any human at any point in time should they desire to.

How much you train the animal, or how much you love it and it loves you, *doesn't change that fact* and you're a sentimental fool if you think otherwise.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Of course dogs get scared and freakout my pit is scarred of all loud noises or raise voices fire works, a party next door etc. No i am not a dog wizard but GOD they are not all that killing machine they are made out to be. Dammit thats all i am trying to say !

Relative to other dogs, yes they are.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:I am surrounded by a bunch of wimps who are afraid of a animal

I'm not afraid. If a friend had a pit, I would treat that dog like any other, because the chances of it freaking out and attacking anyone are extremely low.

If that dog passed on and my friend said they intended to get another pit, I would ask them why, and suggest they consider a breed that doesn't have a record of freaking out and killing people, because there is no fething reason beyond macho posturing and sheer bloody minded stupidity to pick a breed with a noted record of freaking out and killing people.


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FITZZ wrote: But..would you suggest an entire breed be wiped out ( as some do advocate), simply because some have proven to be dangerous??...

Depends what you mean by 'wiped out'. I don't believe people owning pits should have them destroyed, they bought their dogs in good faith and their loved family pets. But I don't think we need to keep breeding them, they serve no purpose that isn't met by other breeds that don't freak out and kill people.

sebster wrote:At which point, everyone realises that given there's hundreds of models of cars out there that don't have a chance of exploding when they crash but are just as capable of driving you around, so they ignore the Pinto and go and buy one of the non-explodey cars.

But...but... I've owned 2 pintos and I've never had one explode on me over 15 years and 100,000 miles! The people whose pintos exploded must have not kept up on their regularly scheduled maintenance and driven the car in conditions it wasn't intended, like over boulders! Or perhaps bought them used from people who did! My limited personal experience means that there is no chance of a fundamental problem with the object in question overall compared to similar objects (despite other people's just as "valid" anecdotal evidence that points to the contrary as well as objective data)! [/sarcasm]

Seriously, where is Fraz? Someone turned on the weiner-symbol twice already (three times if you count this post) and he still hasn't shown up. I thought he had some tweet/text message alert system set up on dakka in case they were mentioned.

How many of you have actually been attacked by a Pitbull ?