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I don't see the appeal of communal painting. It seems a course to be unproductive and make mistakes.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I don't see the appeal of communal painting. It seems a course to be unproductive and make mistakes.

only if the blind are leading the blind.

the painting skills course we put out was very well received. and if some of the better painters were there, they were great at keeping things flowing.

I remember one non-horror story from GW (more of a ROFL story)

For some reason there used to be two GW's in my city. I think it was the product of their own error, and it was a fact we abused because the systems weren't connected. When they were handing out free stuff, we got extra.... Anyway, one of the stores was adjacent to an upper class conservative clothing store staffed by right-wing snooty pro-Christians. I think you can see the breadth and depth of the problem that's going to happen here. There were frequent complaints about the uncouth characters and delinquents that frequented the hobby shop, and how it was damaging their own customer base. Never mind that mommy always sent her boys next door to amuse themselves while she shopped. The complaints and accusations leveled against GW kept escalating, and GW staffers are trying to do their best to take it in stride, but its starting to get very confrontational. Finally, having had enough, they went and held a large event (as GW usually does), packing close to 80 people into that teeny mall store(auctions and free stuff involved... oodles of fun) Now this clothing store was getting annoyed by this event, it was noisy, and raucous, and the worst one yet. The GW staff managed to pull a coup-de-grace this day that left the clothing store staffers pale, and saw the GW store get punted into a corner of the mall. Part of the event entailed all 80+ attendees to shout "Blood for the blood god" as loud as they could on the count of 3.

When did the store shut down?

poda_t wrote:I remember one non-horror story from GW (more of a ROFL story)

For some reason there used to be two GW's in my city. I think it was the product of their own error, and it was a fact we abused because the systems weren't connected. When they were handing out free stuff, we got extra.... Anyway, one of the stores was adjacent to an upper class conservative clothing store staffed by right-wing snooty pro-Christians. I think you can see the breadth and depth of the problem that's going to happen here. There were frequent complaints about the uncouth characters and delinquents that frequented the hobby shop, and how it was damaging their own customer base. Never mind that mommy always sent her boys next door to amuse themselves while she shopped. The complaints and accusations leveled against GW kept escalating, and GW staffers are trying to do their best to take it in stride, but its starting to get very confrontational. Finally, having had enough, they went and held a large event (as GW usually does), packing close to 80 people into that teeny mall store(auctions and free stuff involved... oodles of fun) Now this clothing store was getting annoyed by this event, it was noisy, and raucous, and the worst one yet. The GW staff managed to pull a coup-de-grace this day that left the clothing store staffers pale, and saw the GW store get punted into a corner of the mall. Part of the event entailed all 80+ attendees to shout "Blood for the blood god" as loud as they could on the count of 3.

Only one thing to say to that (in reference to the store, not to the post I am quoting. What the store did was excellent, btw).



I wish the store stayed there though. The uptight snobs should have just shut it and minded their own business, like they should.

Awww my picture got broken.

-Loki- wrote: for free access to the whole range of paints

They let you paint with their paint for free? I'll just add this to the list of reasons I find it mind-boggling that people complain about this company.

If you refer to me? geeze... the store got relocated to a different part of sun-ridge mall at around 2006/2007. I think the store closed around early summer 2008? (I got one of the 4x4 tabletops and the terrain on it for keeps) The one in Chinook has been where it's been at for.... i think pretty much forever.

@cthulhu
and the store wasn't shut down, it was just relocated. It was part of a mall refurb as well as the GW location issue. They punted it to a corner where the stores across were just as noisy and had entries from the outside, weren't staffed by crazies. I think the mall managers were sick of the complaints too so moved GW over.
also, your pic isn't working

So it got moved and then not long thereafter closed permanently? It may just have been GW lowering its rent via going for cheaper space.

Total aside to the topic. Not sure why I bring it up.

Rimmy wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Nobody would try no crap with me in a GW because I'm an ex-Green Beret, French Foreign Legion Veteran and genetically modified super-astronaut.

the troll is strong with this one LOL

Luke, use the troll

I paint at GW because painting at home, with nobody to talk to, is really, really boring.

No denying that some gamers are dirty and smelly but there are some red shirts that need to stop eating s sandwiches on their lunch breaks.

Just remembered something that happened a while back, not really counting as a horror story, but one of the most discomforting moments I've had in my LGS:

In the middle of a 1500 point game with a friend, a middle-aged guy walks in and starts curiously looking at all the models in the store (which is normal)- obviously a new guy. He waddles over (not the skinniest guy) and once he got in a 1-metre-radius, his stench hit us. It was literally revolting. I just said I was gonna get some reinforcements from my case at the other side of the shop and pretended to look around in it until the guy left my table. If I wasn't in the middle of a game, I'd have probably left straight away. The only real example of "gamer B.O." I've encountered IRL.

Ahh, good ole gamer funk...

poda_t wrote:If you refer to me? geeze... the store got relocated to a different part of sun-ridge mall at around 2006/2007. I think the store closed around early summer 2008? (I got one of the 4x4 tabletops and the terrain on it for keeps) The one in Chinook has been where it's been at for.... i think pretty much forever.

@cthulhu
and the store wasn't shut down, it was just relocated. It was part of a mall refurb as well as the GW location issue. They punted it to a corner where the stores across were just as noisy and had entries from the outside, weren't staffed by crazies. I think the mall managers were sick of the complaints too so moved GW over.
also, your pic isn't working

Oh, that's ok then.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I think the admins cracked down on it.


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Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:I paint at GW because painting at home, with nobody to talk to, is really, really boring.

Really? I find painting at home to be really relaxing. Its like meditation to me.

DarknessEternal wrote:I'll just add this to the list of reasons I find it mind-boggling that people complain about this company.

You're being intentionally ignorant now aren't you, right?

I created a Orc faction I made with home brewed rules for Space Hulk, my friends and I played it 3 or 4 days a week for over a month and got a bit bored.

I posted up my rules on board game geek. I also added images of Orcs I was using from GW's site along with a link to their official web site. I wasn't making any money off this, nor was I claiming any of the art work was my own.

I got a threat to take it before the pursue any legal action.

Before I could even take it down myself, BGG took it down for me.


Sheeeesh.

I think GW is a bit over the top with protecting their IP. But hey, they must be doing something right, they are the most popular table top game around and have been for how long?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I got a story of my own, though it is fairly old (and poorly remembered)

When I was starting WHFB, around the age of 14 or so, I was playing a game at the games workshop over at Melbourne central (I was in AUS at the time). Anyway, its a fairly small store in a mall, and one of the tables was like halfway out. Not on the street obviously, it was in a mall after all, but anyway.

So yeah, I was playing with someguy, and then I felt something poking me. So I turned around and I saw these kids looking at me. I didn't say anything and went back to playing, and I thought nothing of it. Anyway, at the end of the game I noticed that I was missing a skink. I asked the store staff, and after looking under the tables and such we didn't find it. I forgot what happened next, but I think the one of the staff members suspected that it may been been those kids. Said he thought he saw them teasing me or something. So yeah, some bastards may have nicked one of my skinks.

And there are more nasty stories. We always got jerks passing by GW over in aus. We had jocks walk by calling us satanists and whatever. The fact there's no bloody door doesn't help matters.
I am sure there are more, but I can't remember them that well.

Reminds me of a time when I was in high school there were several kids who played yu-gi-oh or some other card game just about every day. There was some jerk kid who use to give them a rough time everyday. Try to take their cards, throw their cards on the floor, throw wads of paper at them.

Then when day one of the kids at the table gave him the most epic bitch slap I have ever seen.

I'm generally not one to say use your fists, but it is nice to see a bully get his.


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poda_t wrote:I remember one non-horror story from GW (more of a ROFL story)

For some reason there used to be two GW's in my city. I think it was the product of their own error, and it was a fact we abused because the systems weren't connected. When they were handing out free stuff, we got extra.... Anyway, one of the stores was adjacent to an upper class conservative clothing store staffed by right-wing snooty pro-Christians. I think you can see the breadth and depth of the problem that's going to happen here. There were frequent complaints about the uncouth characters and delinquents that frequented the hobby shop, and how it was damaging their own customer base. Never mind that mommy always sent her boys next door to amuse themselves while she shopped. The complaints and accusations leveled against GW kept escalating, and GW staffers are trying to do their best to take it in stride, but its starting to get very confrontational. Finally, having had enough, they went and held a large event (as GW usually does), packing close to 80 people into that teeny mall store(auctions and free stuff involved... oodles of fun) Now this clothing store was getting annoyed by this event, it was noisy, and raucous, and the worst one yet. The GW staff managed to pull a coup-de-grace this day that left the clothing store staffers pale, and saw the GW store get punted into a corner of the mall. Part of the event entailed all 80+ attendees to shout "Blood for the blood god" as loud as they could on the count of 3.

lol. Lost a friend back in elementary school because of pokemon, his parents thought they were the Devil's minions or something to that degree. Can't tell parents how to raise their kids, and I had no problem with a religious house hold but, that was over the top parenting.

I talked to him for the first time in about 13 years around this time last year when I joined face book. He is now an atheist and is involved with the legalization of pot movement. What happened there?

Piston Honda wrote:
I talked to him for the first time in about 13 years around this time last year when I joined face book. He is now an atheist and is involved with the legalization of pot movement. What happened there?

What happens to the children of many controlling households...

I don't really have any horror stories. One time I was asked to drink my juice outside the store and the other was said that I'm not allowed to use (anymore) my csm rhinos as counts as trukks. Third time was when somebody accidentally bumbed into my water bottle (I had it put on the gaming table for some reason) and the bottle snapped one of my noise marines off its' base.

Overall my gw is a really nice place with maybe a little spiky (when defending gw products and ideals) people. I've even used non gw models ( http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/8/17/259620_md-Orks%2C%20Trukk.jpg ), painted with non gw paints, used non gw brushes and used non gw glue. I even rarely buy anything from the store ( box savage orks, finecast zagstrukk, bottle of liquid gs and some tools). And I'm pretty sure they are fully aware of my heretical actions.

There's always been 1 thing that's really turned me against GW.

It was a LOTR tournament at GW Glasgow, I think around the time that ROTK was being played, or just after The One Ring rulebook was released, so around 2004-2006ish.

GW Glasgow is a pretty big store, around 12 tables or so (A battle bunker? I was on course for winning this mini tournament. Pretty much my first time I was close to it.

Then comes the last game...

Since there were an odd number of players, I ended up being paired against one of the store staff. I start off thinking 'yay, if I win this, it's gonna be epic.'

He takes a tooled up army, one of the kinds with a massive killy character in it (maybe Gothmog? I can't remember). He charges this hero and an orc into Faramir.

"Ok, I think, I can handle that, I've prepared for that eventuality." And counter charge an infantry man into Gothmog (or whoever it was).

Now, one of The big rules of LOTR is(was?) "there shalt be no multiple on multiple combats." (Page 16, foot of the one ring rulebook.

So, basically, since only the infantry dude charged Gothmog, the fight was split up and Faramir (who I had to keep alive for the scenario) would be saved, right?

Nope, the staffmember claimed I was making the rule up when I moved to split up the models. Completely ignored any points I was trying to make when showing him the rulebook page. All the other players around were saying 'yeah, he's the LOTR guy, he knows his stuff.' The manager wouldn't listen to me at all, then I got threatened with. "Either get over it and play it, or leave the store and don't come back."


Of course, Faramir died, I lost the game and I didn't win the tournament, or the prize... Plus, everyone at the store now thought I was a lying little...Because the 'LOTR guy' could do no wrong, despite not knowing one of the fundamental things about the game.

Yup, still bitter about it 7 years later....

And I haven't won any gaming related thing since, really.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I'll just add this to the list of reasons I find it mind-boggling that people complain about this company.

You're being intentionally ignorant now aren't you, right?

Ouch, let's not turn this into a debate whether Games Workshop is a good Company or not. Keep it,civil HBMC. Also, Darkness, the mainreason why people don't like Games Workshop is the pricing of GW minatures and the attitudes of some Red Shirts which have worked at a GW store. I'm personally Neutral towards Games Workshop, they have their good and bad point towards the company and let's leave it at that.

Look I can take it if people don't have the same feeling towards GW as a lot of us do, but it's another thing entirely to act as if you have no idea why people might be upset with them.

Hence "intentionally ignorant".

Compel wrote:There's always been 1 thing that's really turned me against GW.

It was a LOTR tournament at GW Glasgow, I think around the time that ROTK was being played, or just after The One Ring rulebook was released, so around 2004-2006ish.

GW Glasgow is a pretty big store, around 12 tables or so (A battle bunker? I was on course for winning this mini tournament. Pretty much my first time I was close to it.

Then comes the last game...

Since there were an odd number of players, I ended up being paired against one of the store staff. I start off thinking 'yay, if I win this, it's gonna be epic.'

He takes a tooled up army, one of the kinds with a massive killy character in it (maybe Gothmog? I can't remember). He charges this hero and an orc into Faramir.

"Ok, I think, I can handle that, I've prepared for that eventuality." And counter charge an infantry man into Gothmog (or whoever it was).

Now, one of The big rules of LOTR is(was?) "there shalt be no multiple on multiple combats." (Page 16, foot of the one ring rulebook.

So, basically, since only the infantry dude charged Gothmog, the fight was split up and Faramir (who I had to keep alive for the scenario) would be saved, right?

Nope, the staffmember claimed I was making the rule up when I moved to split up the models. Completely ignored any points I was trying to make when showing him the rulebook page. All the other players around were saying 'yeah, he's the LOTR guy, he knows his stuff.' The manager wouldn't listen to me at all, then I got threatened with. "Either get over it and play it, or leave the store and don't come back."


Of course, Faramir died, I lost the game and I didn't win the tournament, or the prize... Plus, everyone at the store now thought I was a lying little...Because the 'LOTR guy' could do no wrong, despite not knowing one of the fundamental things about the game.

Yup, still bitter about it 7 years later....

And I haven't won any gaming related thing since, really.

You mean the dispossed staff members from GW Braihead? Or are you referring to the redshirts that all ended up being made redundant within two years because of their attitudes? I can't recall when that shop had decent staff members (ok now they may be more amicable, but all they care about is shoving their products down your throat in the nicest manner). =/

And its four tables, with an additional three reserved for starter games that they have now. Definately shows where their priorities are.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look I can take it if people don't have the same feeling towards GW as a lot of us do, but it's another thing entirely to act as if you have no idea why people might be upset with them.

Hence "intentionally ignorant".

True. True. Some people just lack empathy for others. I for one have no choice but to play at a GW Store because I refuse to play at Good Games.

DarknessEternal wrote:

-Loki- wrote: for free access to the whole range of paints

They let you paint with their paint for free? I'll just add this to the list of reasons I find it mind-boggling that people complain about this company.

Every FLGS I've found, if it has a paint station, lets you use it for free. GW stores do it for free, because they're GW stores. They all have from as far back as I can remember. I haven't found an FLGS yet with a paint station that doesn't let you use it for free.

It's not like you're going to use hundreds of dollars worth of paint unless you're sitting there painting an entire army in a few days.

Funnily enough, my own FLGS is one of the best I've seen (good crowd, official 40k night, good selection of games and models), and it doesn't have any sort of free painting station. They've got a huge selection of paints (I've seen about 5 different racks, each full of a different company's line of paints) but that's about it.

My FLGS has a painting station but you have to be a member of their store membership ($20 a year, it gets you a good discount on tournament fees and other things) in order to use their supplies. You are of course welcome to use the station if you brought some of your own supplies.

DarknessEternal wrote:

-Loki- wrote: for free access to the whole range of paints

They let you paint with their paint for free? I'll just add this to the list of reasons I find it mind-boggling that people complain about this company.

I have to legally pay a 100% surcharge on everything you buy simply because they can get away with it?

You know it's bad when said people who have the 50% discount over us are still complaining about the price.

GW aren't the only hobby company to do it either, Vallejo paints cost $3 from maelstrom with free shipping, P3? $3.50

Note that in Australia we 'have' to be charged over $4 for vallejo.

At least I can measure good amounts for thinning paints out and I'm a poor uni student who has to go to the lowest bidder.

What he said x 10

The fact that i go to the lowest bidder atm has led me to a new game. The skirmish value of Warmachine is awesome. There i was staring down buying/painting 180 orks and i found PP 20 mins later i have 40 points of warmachine. Realistically a 25 point army.

And on topic, i seriously think they should ban the shouting of crud instore, it's fekkin lame

Less price comparisons, more horror stories please. They're funny (both behind and in front of the counter!)