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**Azazelx**

Casey's Law wrote:
Good job, Tides!

As promised, i said i'd find my 'dex and write a 'Nid list. Slight change of plan is that i'm going to give you the best options i can think of and allow you to make your own army list with my inventory.
NB. This is in no way a list of every option you have but in my opinion it's the best fits. Prices are bare bones and include no upgrades even though i'd often suggest taking some.

Spoiler:

Quantity of model
[Force organization category] Maximum quantity of listing (number of units x number of listing within groups + number left over to be squeezed in) = Points for listing
NB. Please note.

43 Grubs
[Troops] 43 Termagants (4x10/2x20 +3) = 215pts
[Troops] 43 Hormagaunts (4x10/2x20 +3) = 258pts
NB. If you are taking a Tervigon then you should hold back some Grubs to use as spawning 'gants. Although the 'gaunts are most appropriate because they don't have a ranged attack, 'gants with Devourers(+5pts each) are considered one of the better troops choices.

1 Limited Edition Grub
[Elites] 1 Zoanthrope = 60pts
[Elites] The Doom Of Malan'tai = 90pts
[Fast Attack] 1 Ravener = 30pts
NB. If you want to use this Grub as a Ravener you'll have to get some more of them as you need a minimum of 3 for each unit. If i was taking Zoanthropes i'd want at least three at this points level i think so i'd consider getting more of these for both of these choices.

15 Swarm Adults
[HQ] 2 Tyranid Primes = 160pts
[HQ+] 6 Tyrant Guard (2x3) = 360pts
[Troops] 15 Tyranid Warriors (5x3/3x5) = 450pts
NB. You can only take 1-3 Tyrant Guard for each Hive Tyrant you have Included.

15 Swarm Warriors
[HQ] 2 Tyranid Primes = 160pts
[Elites] 9 Hive Guard (3x3) = 450pts
[Troops] 15 Tyranid Warriors (5x3/3x5) = 450pts

5 Stealth Swarm Adults
[HQ] 2 Tyranid Primes = 160pts
[Elites] 5 Lictors (2x2 +1) = 325pts
[Elites] 1 Deathleaper = 140pts
[Elites] 5 Ymgarl Genestealers (1x5) = 115pts
[Troops] 5 Tyranid Warriors (1x5) = 150pts
[Troops] 5 Genestealers (1x5) = 70pts

15 Hosts + 1 Limited Edition Host
[HQ] 2 Tyranid Primes = 160pts
[HQ+] 6 Tyrant Guard (2x3) = 360pts
[Troops] 16 Tyranid Warriors (5x3/3x5 +1) = 480pts
NB. You can only take 1-3 Tyrant Guard for each Hive Tyrant you have Included.

5 Hounds
[Elites] 5 Ymgarl Genestealers (1x5) = 115pts
[Troops] 5 Genestealers (1x5) = 70pts
[Fast Attack] 5 Raveners (1x5) = 150pts

3 Sky Hunters
[HQ] The Parasite Of Mortrex = 160pts
[Elites] 3 Zoanthropes = 180pts
[Elites] The Doom Of Malan'tai = 90pts
[Fast Attack] 3 Tyranid Shrikes (1x3) = 105pts
[Fast Attack] 3 Harpy = 480pts
NB. Considering we only get 3 of these they probably size up somewhere in between a Shrike and Harpy so you might be able to go either way.

5 Larvae Swarm
[Troops] 5 Ripper Swarms (1x5) = 50pts

1 Queen
[HQ] Hive Tyrant = 170pts
[HQ] Swarmlord = 280pts
[HQ/Troops] Tervigon = 160pts
NB. Size-wise the Queen sounds like it might struggle to match the Tervigon but we haven't seen a green yet.

1 Wyrm
[Heavy Support] Trygon = 200pts
[Heavy Support] Trygon Prime = 240pts
[Heavy Support] Mawloc = 170pts

1 Fiend
[HQ/Troops] Tervigon = 160pts
[Heavy Support] Carnifex = 160pts
[Heavy Support] Tyrannofex = 250pts
NB. Size-wise the Fiend sounds like it might be too big to pass as a Carnifex and it doesn't have a ranged weapon in the art so it might be hard to call it a Tyrannofex.

1 Drone
[HQ/Troops] Tervigon = 160pts
[Heavy Support] Carnifex = 160pts
[Heavy Support] Tyrannofex = 250pts
NB. Size-wise the Fiend sounds like it might be too big to pass as a Carnifex and it doesn't have a ranged weapon in the art so it might be hard to call it a Tyrannofex.

1 Swarm Master
[HQ] Hive Tyrant = 170pts
[HQ] Swarmlord = 280pts
[Heavy Support] Carnifex = 160pts

1 Overlord
[HQ] Winged Hive Tyrant = 230pts
[HQ] The Parasite Of Mortrex = 160pts
[Fast Attack] Harpy = 160pts

Well that's what i came up with, it's now where near all the info but it's already taken forever to go through and type up and it'll just get more complex the more information i give you. I'm happy to answer any questions or help you work on a list. Hope this helps!

Thanks a heap for putting that together. I really appreciate the effort. - It makes it all make a lot more sense. Someone else was talking about needing unit minimums of threes for some of the models. Are there any particular swaps/trade-ins you'd recommend? (If buying just Queen and also if buying Queen + Host?)

**Trodax**

scipio.au wrote:
Someone else was talking about needing unit minimums of threes for some of the models. Are there any particular swaps/trade-ins you'd recommend? (If buying just Queen and also if buying Queen + Host?)

Well I'm no 40K expert, but for Tyranids I think I would want a few extra of the Limited edition Grub to use as Raveners, they just look like they might be a really good fit, especially if you're using Grubs as Hormagaunts. You only get one with a Queen pledge, and they're a $6 add-on, so a bit pricey. I think Raveners have a unit size minimum of three.

Using either Hounds or Stealth swarm adults as Genestealers also sounds perfect; you only get five of each, so these I would probaby try to boost up quite a bit. I think Genestealers have a unit size minimum of six.

Drone as Tervigon, Wyrm as Trygon and Overlord as Winged Hive Tyrant sound like really good matches to me. Maybe trade in the Queen and Fiend? Also maybe dump all the Hosts and the Swarm adults (using the Swarm adult warriors as Tyranid warriors)?

Tacking on a Host pledge to your Queen pledge is a really, really good deal as you'll now be getting a Queen, a Wyrm and a Fiend with each Host pledge; trade in the ones you don't want, double up on the others. You'd also get an extra of the Hound, Flyer and Limited edition Grub to boost up your numbers on those a bit.

**Casey's Law**

Glad that helped, with the unit minimum i think i've covered the important ones in the notes.

There is a massive amount of scope with the current 'nid 'dex but here is a quick shooty, spawning army for about 2500pts.

Spoiler:

You'll need lots of grubs(maybe 100+) but as far as i can tell you may still have a cash left over even with the Queen level alone.
It's not a great list but if it's not what you are looking for just tell me what sort of thing you'd rather field and i'll put something else together. Also, the points are nowhere near exact, there is room for scope either way. I'm not a competitive list builder but if you're thinking along those lines you might want to diversify a bit with Biovores, Venomthropes, Zoanthropes, Warriors and Genestealers, if you can find proxies.

**Trodax**

The Troll Forged Miniatures blog has a real handy table where you can see what's included in the Host, Swarm and Queen level pledges, and what the add-on price for each miniature is. It'll be updated as further stretch goals are achieved.

Check out that Host level pledge; at this point it includes a total of $108 worth of miniatures for $50, and it's growing... A good deal, that is.

**Fenriswulf**

Yeah it seems kind of ludicrous to not take an offer like that up. The sheer amount of miniatures you get for the price is extraordinary.

Looking to see if they add anything more to the Host level as they progress. A damn good kickstarter. Really looking forward to the Dreadnoughts.

**Trodax**

Fenriswulf wrote:
Looking to see if they add anything more to the Host level as they progress. A damn good kickstarter. Really looking forward to the Dreadnoughts.

Host will get 3 Swarm adult warriors at $33,000 and 1 Stealth swarm warrior and 2 additional Swarm adult warriors at $36,000, but I'm pretty sure that'll be it; it's an insanely good deal already (those additions will put it at $132 worth of minis, and that's counting with these cheap add-on prices!).

**RiTides**

I just typed up a giant overhaul for the OP with updated info for Alph to edit in

Time to run to work!

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Tyranid players, do you think the Overlord at 6-8" tall is better as a Harpy than a Hive Tyrant?

**Casey's Law**

It depends on the green but i think it might suit the Harpy better by size.

http://www.kicktraq.com/hotlist/

**Commander Cain**

I went from pledging $20 to $240, decided I have enough human infantry to last a lifetime from various other ks so what do I do? Buy an alien army to give them something to shoot!

**Trodax**

A new stretch goal! And its another huge beast, mounted on a 120mm base... and included for free in Queen pledges!

Stretch Goal #10 $38,000
I will unlock and get the design fleshed out more for the massive Artillery beast. The Cannon drone will be massive at 3-4 inches long and need a 120mm base. The kit as an add will be $30 for everyone while swarm level pledges add a drone free while the queen gets a free Cannon drone!

Basic art work by Des for an example art work will be further developed.

**RiTides**

Wow, that'd be great! Tyrannofex, amirite?

CommanderCain, I'm in the same boat. Alien invaders for my Dreamforge troops to repel

**Casey's Law**

Maybe more the size of a Biovore? Or more likely in between the two so you could play it as either maybe.

**monkeytroll**

On a 120mm base? Don't think a biovore needs that much space

Still managing to keep close to Host pledge here, added $20 dollars so that with some swap-outs I can grab the dreads and some hunters.

**Lansirill**

I'm more and more tempted to use this as an opportunity to rebuild my Tyranid army. Only downside is I can't use the darn thing at a GW shop, and I probably play 75% of my 40k games there. (Other local shops seem to have more of an emphasis on other games.)

**Casey's Law**

monkeytroll wrote:
On a 120mm base? Don't think a biovore needs that much space

Fair point.

**plastictrees**

Looks almost certain to break 40k now, which is awesome.
I'm only in for the alien hunters, although I've been tempted by the aliens. If I hadn't just splurged on X-Wing I might have been in for more.

**Casey's Law**

Don't want to stray too far off topic but while we are talking about what lists we are going to run these guys as...

Can someone tell me the benefit of:
Daemons + Chaos Space Marines
over
Daemons + Imperial Guard?

And does it matter which one is the ally? i.e.
Daemons + Chaos Space Marines
or
Chaos Space Marines + Daemons

I'm probably going to go with the first option anyway but it's worth knowing.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I think your Warlord has to come from your primary army,

so if you want to use some of the new codex specific trait charts so that'll make a difference

**Casey's Law**

Warlords, trait charts... I think i need the new rulebook sooner rather than later!

**Bolognesus**

also allies only get a few FOC slots open (1 HQ, 1-2 Troops, 1 FA, 1 HS and 1 Elites) as opposed to the regular, 'full' FOC.

**DaveC**

"Alien" Alien Hunter (or not Predator) Artwork just added

**Commander Cain**

Now that is just too cool looking!

**Casey's Law**

Thanks Bolognesus, so for me the choice would be whether i want to run more daemons or 'possessed civilians'/cultists. The answer is probably daemons so i'll likely be better running Daemons + Chaos Space Marines.

The new art rocks! I've always been a fan of how not Predator looked.

**Alpharius**

Quick question!

Can you trade in anything from within a level for credit to get other things?

For example, if I'm in for QUEEN, can I trade in all of the grubs for $43 in credit to use to buy other stuff?

**Bolognesus**

anything on the trade-in list, yes. (so on the blog, the prices to the right, yeah, you can buy from that list).

as far as I can understand we can't use credit from mini's to buy the scenic bases for a pledge level, though

**RiTides**

Overlord looks like an absolute LOCK now, which is great! Might even have it by morning.

Then it will be very interesting if we can get the Cannon Drone (38K) and Goliath Worm (40K, and final stretch). With all of them being on 120mm bases, that makes the big bugs that come with Queen insane:

Overlord
Drone
Cannon Drone
Goliath Worm

And Swarm gets Drone and Cannon Drone. So that ($110 level) becomes pretty darn good, too. Host doesn't get add-ons after the 36K level for the 38K and 40K, but it's already such an insane deal for only $50

**Casey's Law**

Here is the wyrm in question btw!

Goliath wyrm surfaces. Huge beast, 120mm base 6-8 inches tall. Monstrous maw to swallow whole even the Fiend! Add on at $40 while swarm level adds a cannon drone and queen adds the goliath wyrm free! I will also give everyone in the kickstarter a free limited grub worm!

**Commander Cain**

Not the most inspiring bit of artwork. Looks a little shapeless for my taste. I would have liked a hydra type thing with multiple heads or something!

**Casey's Law**

I'm seeing a rather impressive Nurgle possessed tree but the green will tell us more. The large tentacle on the bottom right is making me gag though.

**RiTides**

Well, it's a bit rushed due to it being the final stretch (as the 38K art was, too) but it gets the idea across. Personally, I really like it

he said the mouth would be tweaked, though.

Not sure if we'll get there but once Overlord is in the bag it's all graaaaaaaaaavy