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@Caseys Law. Can't unsee that now... Thanks for putting that image in my head!

To be fair I think that the art for the Goliath was probably rushed out fairly quickly. The KS went from not mentioning it at all, to having artwork in... less than 24 hours?

Right now it looks like we're at $117 of minis for Host, $184 for Swarm, and $305 for Queen... Queen is finally starting to pull ahead of the other pledge levels in terms of 'free' miniatures you get in absolute terms ($105 vs $74 and $67 for Queen, Swarm, and Host respectively), and host is still kicking butt in relative terms (234% vs 167% and 153% for Host, Swarm, and Queen.)

...okay, so maybe I saw the Wordpress table and decided I had to make a spreadsheet. I'm a nerd. I can't help it.

Yeah, pretty amazed at how fast the art is coming out myself! Ed just replied to me in the ks and said that the Goliath will probably have lamprey-like teeth and some mini mouths as well. Sounds like fun!

Okay, I am going to bed with it at 34.5K. Hoping to wake up to around 36K, and maybe push for those last few goals!

 Lansirill wrote:
...okay, so maybe I saw the Wordpress table and decided I had to make a spreadsheet. I'm a nerd. I can't help it.

Nothing wrong with being a savvy consumer. I'm just glad they put the Trade Restriction on the KS, without that, one is better off just getting multiple hosts and trading out for the rest.

Urgh, by the time I get back from work there will only be a few hours left. Not much time to work out my pledge. Am I right in thinking that 4xHosts are better value than 1xQueen? It looks like if I get 4 hosts I can trade in for everything in Queen and then some.

No, as the guy said above, you can't trade in miniatures from more than one kickstarter level for other miniatures. This is deliberately done to ensure that TFM aren't shooting themselves in the foot over this KS.

Go for the Queen level if it has all you want, or less and just add in some cash for what else you need.

I think he put a limit on trading so that you can only trade one "host pledge's worth" of items. Does anyone know where he specified this?

Ed has had to change the trade in as it was to easy to abuse you are now only permitted to trade a maximum of half the value of your selected pledge level for other miniatures including add ons or bases - basically if your trading more than half the value why are you picking that pledge level when you don't want the majority of it and are only using it for it's trade value. So if you get a host level you can trade $25 worth of minis, swarm gets $55 worth and Queen level a max of $100. Sounds more than fair to me.

Eds post in full

Ok, ok. Due to trade in abuse I'm adding the 1/2 a pledge trade value only. This means you can only trade 1/2 the value of the pledge in to swap items. Many of you are not abusing this but a few want to and it's not fair to limit the host pledge but also abuses the trade in values. You can still stack pledges and various items trade etc. but you can't take more than 1/2 of a single pledge and trade it in for something different. It's getting out of hand at that point. I still want the values to be there for you but also can't get ripped off with a loop hole out of generosity. If your pledging $700 or more, and some are, your going to have no problem any way it goes but your not going to be able to drop in get one host and trade for $200 worth of other stuff now. It's just something well beyond what the pledge was aimed for. I'm sorry but I had to add this, it's a shame but people always look to abuse any weakness.

 DaveC wrote:
Ed has had to change the trade in as it was to easy to abuse you are now only permitted to trade a maximum of half the value of your selected pledge level for other miniatures including add ons or bases - basically if your trading more than half the value why are you picking that pledge level when you don't want the majority of it and are only using it for it's trade value. So if you get a host level you can trade $25 worth of minis, swarm gets $55 worth and Queen level a max of $100. Sounds more than fair to me.

It is more than fair; I totally agree. The trading loophole could have really gotten out of hand as things were stated. "OK, I'll get a Host level pledge for $50, and I'd like to trade that in for 4 dreadnoughts and a new Host level pledge... Now I'm good. Wait, can I do it again?" You get the picture. I just hope not to many people will be pissed off, and it was a bit unfortunate that this kind of stuff had to be stated on the last day.

Still, though, even without absurd levels of trading, there are some really awesome deals to be had. We're less than $500 away from the Overlord/Cthulhu at $36K, with new stretch goals at $38K and $40K. If we get through these, this Queen pledge of mine is looking really, really good. Exciting!

New art:


The resounding opinion is that the previous attempt was better and i must say i agree.

It's a shame the trade ins have changed and become more confusing but it's totally understandable though

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's a shame the trade ins have changed and become more confusing but it's totally understandable though

Yeah, I'm not sure allowing trading at all was a great idea; probably a case of Ed simply being too customer friendly. Well, actually, maybe it was a good thing since these minis are rather specific; some people might be interested in just hosts but not grubs at all, for example. Maybe it helped to attract a lot of people, I dunno.

On another note; the $36K stretch goal is behind us and we're a couple of hundred on our way towards $38K! Looking good this morning!

Now that 36k has been hit i'm happy to be honest, although the more awesome shizzle the better!

Alright, I'm in. Is there a trade-in map that's current and updated? I need to figure out what I'm doing...

Use this i think:
http://trollforged.wordpress.com/kickstarter-stretch-goal-table/

Did that 'nid list work for you, scipio?

Thanks for the link. I've copied the lists that people have posted, and will go over them more carefully later when Ed makes his final call for trade-ins and such. The main reason being I want to keep as many of the different greeblies on offer as possible while also having a reasonable and fun army. (not worried about being hyper-competitive or anything).

I'd do it now, but work is melting my brain lately. 5 long days in every week plus a day of work-at-home means my brain is like jelly when it comes to working out this kind of thing right now..

More pics!

Almost at 38K Already, and the unlocking of the Cannon Drone! After that it will be just one more stretch

I do not mind the Goliath Wyrm art as I know it was rushed. I'm just glad to see it will have multiple "maws" (if one large one) and not just look like a larger Wyrm/Fiend. Personally I am probably going to want 3, as I will use them for Trygons instead of the Fiend . And I'll be getting 2 "free" with my Queen pledges, so just need to trade in for one.

Oh, and at 40K everyone gets a limited edition kickstarter larger grub, in addition to unlocking the Goliath Wyrm and Queen getting it free, with Swarm getting a free Cannon Drone. Woot for freebies

Very awesome! The coming months Ed will probably be overloaded in sculpting and casting work!

Very curious if he'll do a similar kind of Kickstarter next year or something

The ability to trade things in is great as people will be able to tailor the models to their individuals needs. Although yes at first glance its confusing moving all those numbers around it is greatly appreciated option to have.

Ed is proposing an alternative Paypal option for those interested in the KS, but without a Credit Card as follows

"Ed and I are contemplating a special PayPal Kickstarter page for the store, for when this all ends. This will allow those without credit cards to grab some amazing deals. This page will the same pledge deals as here on the Kickstarter, *but* the shipping is the same as the store, and you wont be able to make trades using it. I'm posting here to ask if there is a demand for this - please ask in forums and such. There is not much time, this page link has to go in before the Kickstarter ends and the main page locks. The only link to this special page will be via the Kickstarter main page (that's if the link goes up).

Prototype, no buttons as yet;

http://trollforged.com/kickstarter-paypal-1.html




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If anybody is interested post here & I'll pass the info back to Ed, and if enough folk are (between this board and others) he'll make it happen

HE NEEDS TO KNOW BEFORE THE KS ENDS!

I'm surprised that the Dreadnoughts and the Alien Alien Hunters haven't generated more excitement...

Still, so far so good!

Looks like I'll have a really good Tyranid army soon - and one that looks amazing!

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm surprised that the Dreadnoughts and the Alien Alien Hunters haven't generated more excitement...

I think they're big hits! I'm getting them for sure; in fact, I'm getting that whole Alien hunter deal for $105 and putting it on top of my Queen pledge. Getting expensive this is...

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm surprised that the Dreadnoughts and the Alien Alien Hunters haven't generated more excitement...

Still, so far so good!

Looks like I'll have a really good Tyranid army soon - and one that looks amazing!

I think it's because the main emphasis of the Kickstarter were those aliens. Would be cool if Ed would do a Kickstarter for those human soldiers next and include little alien add-ons.

BLAM!!! That was stretch goal #10 ($38,000) and the unlocking of a bigass bug gun. We'll hit $40,000 shortly too at this pace, I'm sure.

Oh
and anybody who posts on other boards following the KS can you pass the question about whether Ed should bother setting up a Paypal option.... he wants to know what the demand is like

I'd say a PayPal option would be greatly appreciated!

OK, in light that I won't be able to trade in the wyrm and the fiend from Host level, I may have to consider starting a 'nid army and look at Swarm level

Although that may just get my bank manager hunting me

There, look at that - considering another army for a game I don't play - Oh the power of freebies to cloud one's mind

Oh, and I meant the ALIEN Alien Hunters - the Not Predators!

They look great!