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yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

Is there way to de-exalt a post?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

Is there way to de-exalt a post?

Put the user on ignore, idk :(

Honestly I dislike the look of the Warp hunters, I think they look kind of dumb (though the pole arm is nice), there is nothing preventing a company from creating and selling futuristic space elves.

yeah,

 judgedoug wrote:
Is there way to de-exalt a post?

You can't hide the truth.

Panic...

Yellow triangle of friendship works wonders in these cases, I'm told

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful

this statement is confusing. Eldar are the elves who left Middle Earth. Eldar means "the people of the stars".

so you're saying that Chapterhouse ripped off space-elves called Eldar from Tolkien? i guess that's fair, I know of at least one other company who ripped off space-elves called Eldar from Tolkien.

No, I think he's saying that those models look awful, and I have to agree; it's pretty obvious from their weapons and the detailing on the helmets that they're meant to be Banshee stand-ins, and as such they miss the mark by a fair degree.

I have no objection to Banshees being represented by obviously male figures, but they still need to have a certain lithness and grace that is lacking in these; too static and too blocky and the dog-faced helmets just don't work imo

Please CH hurry up with a better centurion! Do the devastator one first, no ones running the assault variant in a serious list.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

What exactly is it you don't like about them? And you do know that these were designed and sculpted up before the GW lawsuit, right?

And Chapterhouse, I would love to see some more alternative space elves. Some mantis themed Striking Scorpions, Wasp themed Warp Spiders, and maybe a unit based on tigers would all be really cool to see.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, Panic...

Honestly, and I'm sure this is no surprise, but I agree (I actually liked the female not-Farseer and Scorpion that they can no longer sell). I actually didn't know what they were supposed to be because, you know, nothing says "male banshee model" like a dude with a bear/lion/panther helmet.... I realize that's an aesthetic choice, so I also find that the proportions of the head to the body seem to be a bit off. I mean, they look like they've got some big head syndrome going on. Dude's hands and weapon also seem kinda gigantic as well....

Also, I don't think you need to triangle Panic simply for disagreeing with you..... that's kinda lame.

From the comments on this page I was expecting much worse from those sculpts. They look decent enough to me, not my cup of tea aesthetically, but there's nothing overly wrong with them imo.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, Panic...

Honestly, and I'm sure this is no surprise, but I agree (I actually liked the female not-Farseer and Scorpion that they can no longer sell). I actually didn't know what they were supposed to be because, you know, nothing says "male banshee model" like a dude with a bear/lion/panther helmet.... I realize that's an aesthetic choice, so I also find that the proportions of the head to the body seem to be a bit off. I mean, they look like they've got some big head syndrome going on. Dude's hands and weapon also seem kinda gigantic as well....

Also, I don't think you need to triangle Panic simply for disagreeing with you..... that's kinda lame.

I agree that they didn't jump out as 'male banshee models', I was talking with Cyporiean last night about them, and we were like, "are those banshees, I don't think they are, I don't remember Banshees having a polearm." etc... So I looked up the banshees and there is one holding a polearm. And much like you, I liked the female Doomseer.

I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Multiple companies have already been working on bulky armored models with integral missiles and drill/saw/claw hands. Hell, one such model is already on the market and Puppetswar has a 3D render done up. There is a serious double standard going on, obviously due to the fact that Chapterhouse was sued by Games Workshop. But Chapterhouse prevailed on over 70% of the asserted claims and is allowed to remain in business doing what it does.

You like the models, fine. You don't like the models, fine. You think the dog heads are stupid, great. You think the arms look funny, I agree with you. But treating everything Chapterhouse does as wrong just because Games Workshop filed a lawsuit is hypocritical nonsense.

The fact is that Games Workshop makes no distinction between Chapterhouse and any of the other similar companies out there. Andy Jones testified under oath that jetbikes from 6 different companies other than Chapterhouse Studios, including Kromlech and Puppetswar, were all copies of the same Games Workshop work of art Chapterhouse's bike was accused of infringing and that they all infringed Games Workshop's alleged Jetbike trademark.

Chapterhouse's product was found to infringe neither the asserted copyright nor the asserted trademark. So not only are you applying a double standard that Games Workshop itself does not adhere to, but Games Workshop utterly failed to prove that what these companies are doing is in any way inherently wrong.

So why not stick to the merits of the specific product and leave the hypocritical nonsense to Games Workshop. Lord knows Games Workshop brought enough of that to share with the whole class.

They don't fit any army I have or will have but I think they are pretty neat. I really don't see any real objective issues with the sculpts themselves. The leaders hands seem a bit large but that is really all I see.

The rest is just down to personal taste. I have seen worse sculpts (technically) receive high praise on these boards. The miniature crowd can't be tied down or pigeonholed. No sculpt will ever please everyone.


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weeble1000 wrote:
I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Multiple companies have already been working on bulky armored models with integral missiles and drill/saw/claw hands. Hell, one such model is already on the market and Puppetswar has a 3D render done up. There is a serious double standard going on, obviously due to the fact that Chapterhouse was sued by Games Workshop. But Chapterhouse prevailed on over 70% of the asserted claims and is allowed to remain in business doing what it does.

You like the models, fine. You don't like the models, fine. You think the dog heads are stupid, great. You think the arms look funny, I agree with you. But treating everything Chapterhouse does as wrong just because Games Workshop filed a lawsuit is hypocritical nonsense.

The fact is that Games Workshop makes no distinction between Chapterhouse and any of the other similar companies out there. Andy Jones testified under oath that jetbikes from 6 different companies other than Chapterhouse Studios, including Kromlech and Puppetswar, were all copies of the same Games Workshop work of art Chapterhouse's bike was accused of infringing and that they all infringed Games Workshop's alleged Jetbike trademark.

Chapterhouse's product was found to infringe neither the asserted copyright nor the asserted trademark. So not only are you applying a double standard that Games Workshop itself does not adhere to, but Games Workshop utterly failed to prove that what these companies are doing is in any way inherently wrong.

So why not stick to the merits of the specific product and leave the hypocritical nonsense to Games Workshop. Lord knows Games Workshop brought enough of that to share with the whole class.

Exalted.

I agree to sticking to discussing the products on their own merit. However, I think the quality is just OK on these.

I think the eldar guys look kind of cool - in-between all of the different Eldar Craftworlds, phoenix worlds and other off-shoots (pre-heresy etc.) I've always thought it a little odd that every warrior of a particular aspect looks exactly the same. This would be cool for Eldar players who want something a little different.

As for the not-centurions? Well, think we could be seeing a lot of this kind of thing. No idea at all about how good the Centurions are in terms of rules, but think the miniatures are pretty awful and ripe for 'counts as' and conversions.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

I'm with you
I enjoyed some of the previous CHS stuff, but this kickstarter is IMHO not up to the quality I would expect. It just oozes amateur hour, the models look like they were put together with milkshape primitives, have no surface texturing or misc details and just plain dont look like they are being done by a person who really knows their stuff, it looks like someone got a general idea of the shape they wanted, added in the particular symbol for the 40k army they are ape-ing and called it a day.

ENOUGH. --Janthkin

 Barzam wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

What exactly is it you don't like about them? And you do know that these were designed and sculpted up before the GW lawsuit, right?

And Chapterhouse, I would love to see some more alternative space elves. Some mantis themed Striking Scorpions, Wasp themed Warp Spiders, and maybe a unit based on tigers would all be really cool to see.

I also like the prospect of alternative models. But as a personal preference I prefer Eldar to not be designed after Terra's wildlife. I know that much of the naming conventions Falcon, Wasp, striking scorpion etc use the terminology but I like when the designs appear primarily alien.

Panic, you've voiced your opinions about the models and that you don't like them. That is all the input that is needed in this thread.

This thread is not here for you to bash on CHS, nor is it here for anyone else to sing their praises. If you don't like the models, then say so and move on.

If you'd like to ramble on about how much you don't like a company for X, then make a thread about it in the appropriate forum.

Side note, let's not pretend that GW hasn't released crap looking models, or that 40k can only be played with GW models.

I don't care for the lion headed things, but then I'm not the target customer for them since I don't play any army they apply to.

Well, those look better than most things Chapterhouse has put out, but by and large I agree with Panic. At least the detail is above the "Spongebob Squarepants fruit snacks" soft standard.

I actually thought the leader of the unit looked more like a lions head.

But I'm likening that more because of the color and less because of the shape.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I actually thought the leader of the unit looked more like a lions head.

But I'm likening that more because of the color and less because of the shape.

I thought it looked like a tiger, lol. Well, it is at least animal shaped.

 Panic wrote:
Which brings me Finally to the last thing I hate about Chapter house.
I'm bothered by the core chapterhouse fan base that craps on everything that GW puts out but somehow honestly praises crap like these 'warp hunters'

With their lackluster recent releases, GW and Chapterhouse deserve each other. I think I said back when the lawsuit started that it was a pity that one of them was going to win it, and I still stand by that assessment. These models are awful, with questionable proportions, ridiculous poses, topped off by a hideous color scheme halfheartedly executed, or what's known among connoisseurs as the "Mantic trifecta".

ENOUGH.

You can like the models & comment.
You can dislike the models & comment.
You can like the models and not comment.
You can dislike the models and not comment (heretical thought, I know).
You can dislike the company and avoid their threads (even more so).

What you cannot do is intentionally drag the thread off-topic by discussing things OTHER than the models.

A nice set, but it would make for a better one if it has more pouches, bedrolls, packs and other parts. If this is supposed to go towards a squad, not even close to detailing half a squad IMHO, it needs more stuff in it.

yeah,

 BrookM wrote:
but it would make for a better one if it has more pouches, bedrolls, packs and other parts.... it needs more stuff in it.

What like this one?


Panic...

weeble1000 wrote:
I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Some people are still upset the law supports CH, and can't let it go.

Anyways, I love to get my hand on just the 3 blade sword thing.

I like the Warp Stalker models, but I was expecting counts-as Warp Spiders, not Howling Banshees. Were these models sculpted before the new Eldar codex? No one takes Banshees, but Spiders are incredible.

I don't get the complaint on the price point of the IG accessory pack.

Yeah, it has about half the items of the forge world one.

It also costs less than half the cost.