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**Dreadclaw69**

d-usa wrote:

We have lots of people talking about how it is completely unreasonable to assume that every man could be a potential rapist and others who even go as far as to say that thinking anything like that is a sign of psychological imbalance.

If that is indeed the case, then anybody that carries concealed would be just as unreasonable and psychologically imbalanced because the reason we carry is that anybody is a potential attacker and we don't know who is actually going to attack or when it is actually going to happen.

Both groups (people who carry and women who don't want to be raped, and often that is the same group) operate on the same principle: Anybody could be a potential harm. Be aware, be prepared, don't put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation, and be ready to defend yourself if you have to. Don't assume that you are safe and let your guard down.

The difference as I see it is that the majority of gun owners that I have interacted with do not see every other human being as a threat. Instead they know that the vast majority of people don't harbor ill intent, but that there is a small minority that do and that there may be the need to defend yourself. What this means is that you don't live your life in fear of other people, you are instead judge a threat based on actions. In a similar vein that would shift the focus from all men are potential rapists to being wary of the guy who has been following you for three blocks, keeping a steady pace a short distance behind you, and who crosses the street every time that you do, even when unnecessarily.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
What this means is that you don't live your life in fear of other people, you are instead judge a threat based on actions. In a similar vein that would shift the focus from all men are potential rapists to being wary of the guy who has been following you for three blocks, keeping a steady pace a short distance behind you, and who crosses the street every time that you do, even when unnecessarily.

That is exactly the problem. If you do that, you are ignoring people that are statistically the most likely to rape you. How stupid is that?

**Asherian Command**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
d-usa wrote:

We have lots of people talking about how it is completely unreasonable to assume that every man could be a potential rapist and others who even go as far as to say that thinking anything like that is a sign of psychological imbalance.

If that is indeed the case, then anybody that carries concealed would be just as unreasonable and psychologically imbalanced because the reason we carry is that anybody is a potential attacker and we don't know who is actually going to attack or when it is actually going to happen.

Both groups (people who carry and women who don't want to be raped, and often that is the same group) operate on the same principle: Anybody could be a potential harm. Be aware, be prepared, don't put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation, and be ready to defend yourself if you have to. Don't assume that you are safe and let your guard down.

The difference as I see it is that the majority of gun owners that I have interacted with do not see every other human being as a threat. Instead they know that the vast majority of people don't harbor ill intent, but that there is a small minority that do and that there may be the need to defend yourself. What this means is that you don't live your life in fear of other people, you are instead judge a threat based on actions. In a similar vein that would shift the focus from all men are potential rapists to being wary of the guy who has been following you for three blocks, keeping a steady pace a short distance behind you, and who crosses the street every time that you do, even when unnecessarily.

You are correct.

I think if someone saw another person getting raped by a guy, they would just walk past. (I.E. The Bystander Effect)

The problem is people ignore things like that. They just walk on by. There are the oddities who say. "NO I AM STANDING UP FOR THAT WOMAN."

But its rare.

**Sigvatr**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

So your idea is to just dismiss the testimony as “Hey, it is never going to happen to me, right? This only ever happens to other people”. And statistics be damned too.

100% of men are rapists.

- Statistics, 2014

**Asherian Command**

Sigvatr wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

So your idea is to just dismiss the testimony as “Hey, it is never going to happen to me, right? This only ever happens to other people”. And statistics be damned too.

100% of men are rapists.

- Statistics, 2014

You mean.

-Woman Radical Feminists who are sexists

(yes they exist)

**-Shrike-**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
I agree. The line between it happening to someone close to you and reading about it on the internet certainly is fine and blurry.

So your idea is to just dismiss the testimony as “Hey, it is never going to happen to me, right? This only ever happens to other people”. And statistics be damned too.

I'd like to see those damned statistics then.

-Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Do you see a difference between considering every man could be a rapist, and considering every man is a rapist?

**Sigvatr**

Asherian Command wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

So your idea is to just dismiss the testimony as “Hey, it is never going to happen to me, right? This only ever happens to other people”. And statistics be damned too.

100% of men are rapists.

- Statistics, 2014

You mean.

-Woman Radical Feminists who are sexists

(yes they exist)

So misandrists?

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

What was that statistic again? Oh, it is here. Apparently, “nearly 1 in 5 women – or nearly 22 million – have been raped in their lifetimes”, and “One study found that 7% of college men admitted to committing rape or attempted rape”
So, if about one out of 14 college men are rapists, are you going to just assume those you know are not? Maybe because they are nice guys, and you know them, and they would not do that… oh yeah, I forgot the testimonies showed that meant nothing

.

**Asherian Command**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What was that statistic again? Oh, it is here. Apparently, “nearly 1 in 5 women – or nearly 22 million – have been raped in their lifetimes”, and “One study found that 7% of college men admitted to committing rape or attempted rape”
So, if about one out of 14 college men are rapists, are you going to just assume those you know are not? Maybe because they are nice guys, and you know them, and they would not do that… oh yeah, I forgot the testimonies showed that meant nothing .

Well, It really matters on the guy. What do they look like.

**Grey Templar**

Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

**d-usa**

Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

**Sigvatr**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What was that statistic again? Oh, it is here. Apparently, “nearly 1 in 5 women – or nearly 22 million – have been raped in their lifetimes”, and “One study found that 7% of college men admitted to committing rape or attempted rape”
So, if about one out of 14 college men are rapists, are you going to just assume those you know are not? Maybe because they are nice guys, and you know them, and they would not do that… oh yeah, I forgot the testimonies showed that meant nothing .

Holy cow, you really are one hell of a one-minded person. Like...damn. Or baiting.

Context. As usual. You're not (willingly?) seeing it. Guess why students rank so high on the non-completely-willingly-sex scale? Because they tend to get wasted. A lot.

Now...if only there was a way to avoid getting wasted. If only. Science, where art thou?

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d-usa wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

That clearly, everyone you know or don't know is just waiting for their chance to rape you.

- Statistics

**Grey Templar**

d-usa wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

Assume the best, prepare for the worst. No problem.

**d-usa**

Sigvatr wrote:

d-usa wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

That clearly, everyone you know or don't know is just waiting for their chance to rape you.

Except what people are actually saying: everyone you know or don't know could potentially be just waiting for their chance to rape you.

- Statistics

Well, if we count on statistics that just means that it is more likely to be someone you know than somebody that you don't know.

**Frazzled**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

As a Dad I'd say the moment he sits next to you.

"Nuke the boy from orbit, its the only way to be sure."
-Frazzled to his daughter on the subject of boys.

**StarTrotter**

Frazzled wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

As a Dad I'd say the moment he sits next to you.

"Nuke the boy from orbit, its the only way to be sure."
-Frazzled to his daughter on the subject of boys.

May I take this from your vast wisdom Frazzled?

**Asherian Command**

d-usa wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:

d-usa wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

That clearly, everyone you know or don't know is just waiting for their chance to rape you.

Except what people are actually saying: everyone you know or don't know could potentially be just waiting for their chance to rape you.

- Statistics

Well, if we count on statistics that just means that it is more likely to be someone you know than somebody that you don't know.

Its like people who get murdered.

Who usually murders another person? Someone of the Same race, and they know the person.

So we would assume the same thing for rape, where the victim knows the person, and has been in contact with them. They are usually good friends.

Kind of interesting if you think about it.

**Dreadclaw69**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
What this means is that you don't live your life in fear of other people, you are instead judge a threat based on actions. In a similar vein that would shift the focus from all men are potential rapists to being wary of the guy who has been following you for three blocks, keeping a steady pace a short distance behind you, and who crosses the street every time that you do, even when unnecessarily.

That is exactly the problem. If you do that, you are ignoring people that are statistically the most likely to rape you. How stupid is that?

You seem to have taken my example and ignored the point that the example was being made in relation to. Allow me to restate it - instead judge a threat based on actions

**Grey Templar**

Frazz is part of the "Boy must be willing to go through Hell to get you; I am Hell" dating school of thought.

**Frazzled**

StarTrotter wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

As a Dad I'd say the moment he sits next to you.

"Nuke the boy from orbit, its the only way to be sure."
-Frazzled to his daughter on the subject of boys.

May I take this from your vast wisdom Frazzled?

Go ahead. Now the actual quote is more better paraphrased as this.

"I don't care who you date but if they

with you you

them up and then call us (me and mom) and we'll

them up some more. "

**Asherian Command**

Grey Templar wrote:
Frazz is part of the "Boy must be willing to go through Hell to get you; I am Hell" dating school of thought.

My parents have done that to me. I'm a Guy by the way. They put the girl through hell.

(literally)

Frazzled wrote:
StarTrotter wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

As a Dad I'd say the moment he sits next to you.

"Nuke the boy from orbit, its the only way to be sure."
-Frazzled to his daughter on the subject of boys.

May I take this from your vast wisdom Frazzled?

Go ahead. Now the actual quote is more better paraphrased as this.

"I don't care who you date but if they with you you them up and then call us (me and mom) and we'll them up some more. "

I'd take that as a quote.

**StarTrotter**

Asherian Command wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:

d-usa wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

That clearly, everyone you know or don't know is just waiting for their chance to rape you.

Except what people are actually saying: everyone you know or don't know could potentially be just waiting for their chance to rape you.

- Statistics

Well, if we count on statistics that just means that it is more likely to be someone you know than somebody that you don't know.

Its like people who get murdered.

Who usually murders another person? Someone of the Same race, and they know the person.

So we would assume the same thing for rape, where the victim knows the person, and has been in contact with them. They are usually good friends.

Kind of interesting if you think about it.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

**Frazzled**

Grey Templar wrote:
Frazz is part of the "Boy must be willing to go through Hell to get you; I am Hell" dating school of thought.

Yes but non gender specific. For the record I wasn't cleaning a shotgun when I met the first person I thought she was dating. I was cleaning a table full of pistols.

**master of ordinance**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

-Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Do you see a difference between considering every man could be a rapist, and considering every man is a rapist?

Yes, most of us do. However there is an extremist minority that sees every man as a potential rapist, reality be damned. These are also the minority that believe that all men are dirty pigs, so, you know.....

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

-Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Do you see a difference between considering every man could be a rapist, and considering every man is a rapist?

Yes, most of us do. However there is an extremist minority that sees every man as a potential rapist, reality be damned. These are also the minority that believe that all men are dirty pigs, so, you know.....

https://twitter.com/hashtag/endFathersDay?src=hash

Check this one out #EndFathersDay

**Asherian Command**

StarTrotter wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:

d-usa wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Until it is known if someone is an X, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event they are an X.

Until it is known if someone is a rapist, then we should assume they are not. But also be prepared in the event that he is a potential rapist.

So what is the problem here?

That clearly, everyone you know or don't know is just waiting for their chance to rape you.

Except what people are actually saying: everyone you know or don't know could potentially be just waiting for their chance to rape you.

- Statistics

Well, if we count on statistics that just means that it is more likely to be someone you know than somebody that you don't know.

Its like people who get murdered.

Who usually murders another person? Someone of the Same race, and they know the person.

So we would assume the same thing for rape, where the victim knows the person, and has been in contact with them. They are usually good friends.

Kind of interesting if you think about it.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

A knife to your enemies back mostly. And a lasso around your friends necks

But yes your enemies are less likely to hurt you, than your friends are.

**Sigvatr**

Frazzled wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Frazz is part of the "Boy must be willing to go through Hell to get you; I am Hell" dating school of thought.

´´ For the record I wasn't cleaning a shotgun when I met the first person I thought she was dating. I was cleaning a table full of pistols.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

-Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Do you see a difference between considering every man could be a rapist, and considering every man is a rapist?

Yes, most of us do. However there is an extremist minority that sees every man as a potential rapist, reality be damned.

Is “every man could be a rapist” the same thing as “every man is a potential rapist”, as opposed to “every man is a rapist”?

Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/endFathersDay?src=hash

Check this one out #EndFathersDay

4chan trolling

.

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/endFathersDay?src=hash

Check this one out #EndFathersDay

4chan trolling .

Funny thing is you can't tell the difference between the trolls and the legitimate on that one

**Asherian Command**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

-Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Do you see a difference between considering every man could be a rapist, and considering every man is a rapist?

Yes, most of us do. However there is an extremist minority that sees every man as a potential rapist, reality be damned.

Is “every man could be a rapist” the same thing as “every man is a potential rapist”, as opposed to “every man is a rapist”?

Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/endFathersDay?src=hash

Check this one out #EndFathersDay

4chan trolling .

I hate that is stupid.

Feminism is only trying to equalize genders. (Of course they should just rename themselves Egalitarians.)