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 Crimson wrote:
I massively prefer plastic due its convertability, but it's not like the resin Fire Dragons etc are utterly unusable.

All of my Fire Dragons are lead...

Get off my lawn.

 Alpharius wrote:
Do we know how much larger this new Avatar is compared to the old metal 2nd Edition one?

I'm guessing "way too big" but...?

Dammit, now I have two more Epic Avatars I need to find...

Can't believe I don't think I ever saw the '95 or '04 ones before.

I don't know if its the type of resin or a chemical coating they use in their process but FW resin has always been very different for me compared to other companies.

It's a shame since I love FW designs but I really, really hate working with the stuff.

For those wondering "why not (Aspect)?", there will be some internal reason. I recall a Jes interview where he said he was told there where three 'slots' dedicated to the last release Eldar had; two were the Wraithknight and the flyer, so which did he want to do? He chose the jetbikes. I can't recall if he said why. Perhaps he thought they were the ones most showing their age. Perhaps he was proudest of the new ones. But the point is, there was a limit. There is no conspiracy other than production slots.

The Spears and Guardians really needed the update most, the one as an ancient Troops option and the other for now looking outdated on their Harley's when the rest of the army -the whole race, really - is zooming round on crotch rockets.
Rangers are still good models but do suffer from the resin 'brewers droop' on their rifles.
Reapers? Maybe it was felt their aesthetic needed the biggest update, bring them to sleek elf rather than menacing triangle. Maybe sales figures influenced it. Maybe there have been more complaints about bendy guns like the Rangers.
And the Avatar ... well, I went Forgeworld and I doubt I'm alone in that. Not good for what is MEANT to be THE centrepiece (Epic imports aside).

The rest will come. When is another matter, but I can't say I don't get a logic behind the choices.

I think some, like the Guardians and the Avatar, were likely certain updates because they are very core to the army. Yes the Aspect Warriors are also a core component, but you can safely say most armies are going to have guardians in them; whilst the Avatar is one of the big showy models for the army.


After that there's likely just what designers have worked on, it might be that some of the models are chosen simply because they got finished first or were already being worked on as side projects etc...


There could also be other things, eg the Warp Spiders might be coming with a campaign book that doesn't just upgrade the models ,but unveils their named special character as part of the story. So they might be "ready" now but won't be released until later because that's how GW has chosen to pace out the release.




Of course there are abnormalities - eg there have been ample times for Tyranids to get their last few finecast models into resin and yet its not happened (yet). And sometimes things jump the gun - eg no one predicted GW would release Ossiarchs before Luminieth or the Shadow Aelves - the latter two being things that had been hinted at heavily in the lore since day 1 whilst the Ossiarchs were basically not mentioned at all until a few months before release.

There’s another thing that needs to be considered when factoring out how many new kits get made at a time; the availability of new sculpts. Specifically, how many sculptors can turn out how many minis of acceptable quality in time to be made into kits for a given release date? Also, the odd way GW farms out projects to whoever wants to do it rather than scheduling them: If Jes Goodwin is one-man-banding it again it could simply be that the new Aspect sculpts are just not done yet.

 Dysartes wrote:
Dammit, now I have two more Epic Avatars I need to find...

Can't believe I don't think I ever saw the '95 or '04 ones before.

For me the ones that surprised me were the 97 Avatar. For some reason I don't remember that. The '95 one I remember seeing as it was the same era of Epic that had the BIG Hive Tyrants and Greater Daemons.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

drbored wrote:
TBH, I have a feeling that the earlier leaks may have mistook the 'Warp Spider' stuff as simply the warp spider upgrades that the Autarch can get. This sort of thing happens with rumors when someone doesn't have all the information and is going off of maybe quick glances at pictures alone. We may see the Corsairs this Monday, or they may save that for even further down the line. Like, this Monday could be a closer look at the Shining Spears and Avatar or something, with Corsairs saved for a week later.

The last Path of the Preview did say we are getting a new "reveal" this upcoming Monday, so I think it will likely be another new kit or a reveal of the full Corsair kit (which would be really strange to tease a single model and then show the full squad 4 days later). I don't think they will show the Avatar or Shining Spears, as the follow up article to the LVO event showed all their options. I suppose the reveal could be "you have a codex coming!" but I don't think they would do something like that, I think everyone knows there is a codex coming.

I'm crossing my fingers for another Aspect in plastic, but would be happy with a full reveal of the Corsair kit also.

I’m not sure where this photos from originally but I saw it on Facebook:



So it’s probably the rest of the corsairs, or the codex on Monday.

To be honest, as much as I love the models we’re getting, I’m a little bit disappointed with the size of the release. I would argue it isn’t ‘massive’ at all. There’s still a bunch of models older than I am, still 4 finecast Aspects, and even things like the Vyper that could do with at least a sprue recut. I think it’s 10 kits including the Corsairs, Orks just got 6 kits just for Beastsnagga stuff as well as a few easy build kits and the Kommandos. Necrons got a massive new range. Space Marines have obviously had a lot more kits than that recently. I really hope it’s not too long before we get some more Aspects redone.

I feel like there will be both some small releases (We've seen it happen with Banshees and Jain) as well as a Wave 2. When the new Chaos came out a few years back, it was odd to see no new lord/warpsmith/Chosen. Well, now that's coming, and I bet they'll do the same with the other aspects. It just takes time. Also, I think it's been said that they plan to phase out all of the finecast stuff by 2025. What I hope is that we do get the missing aspects + Shadow Specters, and maybe some new stuff al a the new Sniper bikes. I'd love to see some kind of hella awesome Fire Dragon Vypers, and of course new Dire Avengers and Asurmen.

I think it will come, but it's just going to be split.

I think the Vyper actually has aged super well. What we need is new swooping hawks. Fire dragons. Warp spiders. Also could use an Eldar open topped troop transport so we can deliver banshees or do drive bys with our weak fire dragons. Also the rest of the Phoenix lords

Vyper could use a better weapon sprue. The original had a plasma cannon.

warpedpig wrote:Vyper could use a better weapon sprue. The original had a plasma cannon.

On release, I'm pretty sure the Vyper only came with the shuriken cannon on the sprue, and you had to Mail order metal heavy weapons to replace it with.

According to the GW site, it comes with the current plastic Eldar heavy weapons sprue. meaning the starcannon (which the Eldar Plasma Cannon evolved into) is available.

Assuming it is still an option in the rules, though, it could do with a part to upgrade the twin shuriken catapults to an underslung shuriken cannon, though.

DarkStarSabre wrote:For me the ones that surprised me were the 97 Avatar. For some reason I don't remember that. The '95 one I remember seeing as it was the same era of Epic that had the BIG Hive Tyrants and Greater Daemons.

I remembered the '97 one from the Epic 40,000 relaunch (and because I have one, somewhere). Didn't recall seeing the '95 anywhere - and he's pricey on eBay at present. Don't see the '04 one (presumably from alongside Epic: Armageddon) available anywhere, though.

IMHO, GW should focus on outdated sculpts over resin models that have been released in metal in the past. Obviously, there's more than a little overlap between the two, but sculpts such as the Swooping Hawks have aged extremely well, and are still available on ebay in their non-finecast forms. In comparison, the best Dark Reaper sculpt before this new one was to my knowledge finecast-exclusive, so it makes sense to me why it would be updated first.

That still means Warp Spiders should be next on the list, though.

 Flipsiders wrote:
IMHO, GW should focus on outdated sculpts over resin models that have been released in metal in the past. Obviously, there's more than a little overlap between the two, but sculpts such as the Swooping Hawks have aged extremely well, and are still available on ebay in their non-finecast forms. In comparison, the best Dark Reaper sculpt before this new one was to my knowledge finecast-exclusive, so it makes sense to me why it would be updated first.

That still means Warp Spiders should be next on the list, though.

All of the finecast Aspect Warriors were released in metal first.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:
IMHO, GW should focus on outdated sculpts over resin models that have been released in metal in the past. Obviously, there's more than a little overlap between the two, but sculpts such as the Swooping Hawks have aged extremely well, and are still available on ebay in their non-finecast forms. In comparison, the best Dark Reaper sculpt before this new one was to my knowledge finecast-exclusive, so it makes sense to me why it would be updated first.

That still means Warp Spiders should be next on the list, though.

All of the finecast Aspect Warriors were released in metal first.

Were the last finecast Dark Reaper sculpts ever in metal? From my understanding, the "latest" metal set was the Punisher-looking getup they had at the dawn of third edition.

 Flipsiders wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:
IMHO, GW should focus on outdated sculpts over resin models that have been released in metal in the past. Obviously, there's more than a little overlap between the two, but sculpts such as the Swooping Hawks have aged extremely well, and are still available on ebay in their non-finecast forms. In comparison, the best Dark Reaper sculpt before this new one was to my knowledge finecast-exclusive, so it makes sense to me why it would be updated first.

That still means Warp Spiders should be next on the list, though.

All of the finecast Aspect Warriors were released in metal first.

Were the last finecast Dark Reaper sculpts ever in metal? From my understanding, the "latest" metal set was the Punisher-looking getup they had at the dawn of third edition.

They came out at the same time as the metal Fire Dragons, Scorpions and Banshees, 2006 I think.
https://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Eldar_(Warhammer_40k_4th_Edition)_-_Collectors_Guide

Not to keep that topic going, but I'd love to see a new Spider Exarch who is on a tall piece of ruin...which I think was in the 3rd edition codex. There was also another cool picture of an Exarch crouching together with a Scorpion and they seemed like a cop-duo that always had each others backs, despite doing things their own way...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:
IMHO, GW should focus on outdated sculpts over resin models that have been released in metal in the past. Obviously, there's more than a little overlap between the two, but sculpts such as the Swooping Hawks have aged extremely well, and are still available on ebay in their non-finecast forms. In comparison, the best Dark Reaper sculpt before this new one was to my knowledge finecast-exclusive, so it makes sense to me why it would be updated first.

That still means Warp Spiders should be next on the list, though.

All of the finecast Aspect Warriors were released in metal first.

Were the last finecast Dark Reaper sculpts ever in metal? From my understanding, the "latest" metal set was the Punisher-looking getup they had at the dawn of third edition.

They came out at the same time as the metal Fire Dragons, Scorpions and Banshees, 2006 I think.
https://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Eldar_(Warhammer_40k_4th_Edition)_-_Collectors_Guide

Just wanted to fix that link.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:
IMHO, GW should focus on outdated sculpts over resin models that have been released in metal in the past. Obviously, there's more than a little overlap between the two, but sculpts such as the Swooping Hawks have aged extremely well, and are still available on ebay in their non-finecast forms. In comparison, the best Dark Reaper sculpt before this new one was to my knowledge finecast-exclusive, so it makes sense to me why it would be updated first.

That still means Warp Spiders should be next on the list, though.

All of the finecast Aspect Warriors were released in metal first.

Were the last finecast Dark Reaper sculpts ever in metal? From my understanding, the "latest" metal set was the Punisher-looking getup they had at the dawn of third edition.

They came out at the same time as the metal Fire Dragons, Scorpions and Banshees, 2006 I think.
https://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Eldar_(Warhammer_40k_4th_Edition)_-_Collectors_Guide

Well, color me surprised. I suppose that was a bad example, then, but I hope my point still stands!

Eldritch Omens next week.

Is that Eldar transfer sheet new or have I missed it somehow?

Just this battlebox this week? My wallet remains safe from GW a full month into the new year, a historic first!

So its a box set with both forces...
Anyone knows if these are going to be released on their own? Just really want the rangers on foot.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Is that Eldar transfer sheet new or have I missed it somehow?

It might be new but I can't find any new transfers on it. It seems identical to Transfer sheet from 2013, just arranged differently and having explanations.

I am a long time Eldar collector but there is nothing in Eldritch Storm that excites me. I light pick it up nevertheless to have something to do while waiting for new Guardians, Warlocks and Avatar.

I reckon it'll be a few weeks before we see the Eldar Codex, the Tau Codex has only just gone up for preorder after all.

I quite like the look of the Eldritch Omens boxed set, especially since most of the models are new. Since it contains models from the upcoming Eldar Codex (the CSM codex is out after that?) these models might be trash gameplay wise. We just don't know.

Do we have any clues on the price yet?

We'll likely find out Tuesday next week

jullevi wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Is that Eldar transfer sheet new or have I missed it somehow?

It might be new but I can't find any new transfers on it. It seems identical to Transfer sheet from 2013, just arranged differently and having explanations.

I am a long time Eldar collector but there is nothing in Eldritch Storm that excites me. I light pick it up nevertheless to have something to do while waiting for new Guardians, Warlocks and Avatar.

Is it? I see no Lugganath symbols, they were on the old ones. There also seems to be all of the Aspect runes here too. Generally a lot more Alaitoc, Biel Tan etc symbols on the new sheet as well.

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we have any clues on the price yet?

Probably about £125 for the Eldar vs Chaos set.

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we have any clues on the price yet?

$170USD is the usual price for these.

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we have any clues on the price yet?

£105 RRP if I had to guess. There's not that much in there, but other than the Maulerfiend it's all new stuff.