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I heard that the salamanders and the people of Nocturne have a "dark complexion". Does this mean they are black (of negro desent) or are just black (like the color). I wonder this because I haven't seen too many pictures of salamanders without their helmets.

Using the word negro to refer to black peple is probably not the best idea... however in answer to your question they were originally of african skin colour but they have since been retconned to be pitch black

Salamanders are black, their gene-seed reacted with the radiation from Nocturne

MC

Since negro means black or dark , im guessing it doesnt really make a difference o_o

LunaHound wrote:
Since negro means black or dark , im guessing it doesnt really make a difference o_o

Negro was a degratory term used by slave owners to refer to black people, it was used as a species name.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/negro


No it wasn't

I guess their faces would be on the differcult side to paint since they would have a black complexion vs a brown complexion. I wonder how that would work. Black base with grey and blue highlights?

tigonesskay wrote:I guess their faces would be on the differcult side to paint since they would have a black complexion vs a brown complexion. I wonder how that would work. Black base with grey and blue highlights?

You could try a grey basecoat with a black wash followed by highlighting.
Edit* Dark grey basecoat

This is what i meant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

Yay I love this topic because IT'S RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

corpsesarefun wrote:Using the word negro to refer to black peple is probably not the best idea... however in answer to your question they were originally of african skin colour but they have since been retconned to be pitch black

Wrong, they were not "retconed", they were "Re-Retconed".

I'll summarise:
Original Fluff: Coal Black Skin and Red Eyes
Armageddon Codex: The idiots painting the Models paint them as "Black" and all hell breaks loose from the Fluff nuts. GW Realised they made a boo-boo.
New Codex: GW Fix it by reaffirming the old Coal Black Skin Fluff.

So yeah, if you want a fluff correct Sallies force, its BLACK skin. Of course, if you want to paint Them with Brown, White or Purple skin, it's up to you.

Gwar! wrote:Yay I love this topic because IT'S RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

corpsesarefun wrote:Using the word negro to refer to black peple is probably not the best idea... however in answer to your question they were originally of african skin colour but they have since been retconned to be pitch black

Wrong, they were not "retconed", they were "Re-Retconed".

I'll summarise:
Original Fluff: Coal Black Skin and Red Eyes
Armageddon Codex: The idiots painting the Models paint them as "Black" and all hell breaks loose from the Fluff nuts. GW Realised they made a boo-boo.
New Codex: GW Fix it by reaffirming the old Coal Black Skin Fluff.

So yeah, if you want a fluff correct Sallies force, its BLACK skin. Of course, if you want to paint Them with Brown, White or Purple skin, it's up to you.

You're racist

As far as I can tell Gwar is correct, what a shocker Gwar right about something... /sarcasm

The Black skin, Red eyes and Green armour is something that I though was pretty sweet back when I'd hang around in the local hobby store wondering just what the hell 40k was.

also if you think too much into it, skin turns black when it is severly burnt, and a salamander is a mythology a salamander is believed to be created from fire, so it would make sense for the Salamanders to be black balck

has anyone got the WD with the salamanders adeptus astartes article. im sure that in that they were of tanned complextion as opposed to coal! however in some old old fluff it describes vulkan as being jet black or something.

then when you look in the new codex they are jet black

Indeed.
Also, even in the Index Astrates they have this Picture:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8738/salmanders.png

I understand it is black and white but the Shade of Black is far too dark for a "African" skin tone


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tigonesskay wrote:I heard that the salamanders and the people of Nocturne have a "dark complexion". Does this mean they are black (of negro desent) or are just black (like the color). I wonder this because I haven't seen too many pictures of salamanders without their helmets.

So, I actually went and read the OP. The Non Space Marine people of Nocturne are said to have a very dark skin tone because of the planetary conditions, so yes, they would have skin pigmentation similar to the very dark african types of skin. However, the geneseed is corrupt, and causes the change to having coal black skin and red eyes only AFTER they become a full Space Marine

Gwar! wrote:Indeed.
Also, even in the Index Astrates they have this Picture:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8738/salmanders.png

I understand it is black and white but the Shade of Black is far too dark for a "African" skin tone

Too bad the pic is in black and white and it's hard to tell if he's black or just dark but he looks of "african" skin tone to me. It seems that GW
have SM of every ethic group (e.g. the white scars are obviously asian) but when it comes around to a group of color...
My nephew once asked why aren't there any black space marines and the only thing I could tell him at the time was the salamanders were the closest
to black that they had...

You can tell him there are plenty. It's just that, in the less PC times that the original Canon for Space Marines was written (the 80's!) the game was being Marketed to White 20 something males and the best way to do that is to make the heros White 20 something males.

Hell, the Emperor was born in the Area where Turkey is today, he sure as hell wasn't white.

When it comes to human skin color even the most darkest person aren't JET BLACK but are more of a "dark chocolate (think 90% cacao)" brown. I guess that would be the skin color for the normal people of Nocturne but the radiation might have a different effect on the skin color once a person becomes a space marine.

tigonesskay wrote:When it comes to human skin color even the most darkest person aren't JET BLACK but are more of a "dark chocolate (think 90% cacao)" brown. I guess that would be the skin color for the normal people of Nocturne but the radiation might have a different effect on the skin color once a person becomes a space marine.

That is exactly the case. I believe it is Implant #13, The Melanochrome, that is "damaged" for the Salamanders and is what causes them to go Coal Black

Knowing GW, it probably would be the 13th implant which would go wrong lol!

MC

How long until this thread is blocked?

jamunition wrote:How long until this thread is blocked?

Why would it be Blocked?
It is a Legitimate Question due to conflicting GW sources as to the correct answer.

Gwar! wrote:

jamunition wrote:How long until this thread is blocked?

Why would it be Blocked?
It is a Legitimate Question due to conflicting GW sources as to the correct answer.

QFT.

As far as I remember reading. On their homeplanet they are black with red eyes. But when they are away on missions (crusades etc) for longer periods, their skin gets paler, more brownish.

Hope this helps

aurelion wrote:As far as I remember reading. On their homeplanet they are black with red eyes. But when they are away on missions (crusades etc) for longer periods, their skin gets paler, more brownish.

Hope this helps

That seems awfully like a terrible backronym to explain the cock up of the Armageddon codex.

Its better than "All salamanders have Jet-black skin and burning red eyes, except for the 7th company, blah blah blah blah blagh."

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Its better than "All salamanders have Jet-black skin and burning red eyes, except for the 7th company, blah blah blah blah blagh."

Now is the iris part of their eyes red like an abinio's or are they red like someone with pink eye? Or are their eyes of a normal color and they have that membrane on the back of their eye (I forgot the name even though it's at the tip of my tongue) like most animals have that reflect light giving them that that "burn red eye" discription? That's how much we knew about the salamanders since they are not drawn that much in art work. Putting "burning red eyes" on a human model can turn into a disasaster if done wrong...

You can see GW's current official stance on the subject on pages 110, 111, and 120 of the SM codex.

Sniper beat me to it, but the SM codex has several pictures of Salamanders with flesh exposed. And they are black as, well, Chaos Black.

All throughout the Salamanders novel they refer to it as jet black skin. And jet black is about as black as it gets.

And on the eye issue, I would guess...you ever see a photo with severe red-eye? Like that. Or like the Terminator.

jimsolo wrote:Sniper beat me to it, but the SM codex has several pictures of Salamanders with flesh exposed. And they are black as, well, Chaos Black.

All throughout the Salamanders novel they refer to it as jet black skin. And jet black is about as black as it gets.

And on the eye issue, I would guess...you ever see a photo with severe red-eye? Like that. Or like the Terminator.

As an EMT I've seen a severe case of red-eye. And it was pretty nasty espeically when the cause is from herpes...
The terminator eye is a more pleasing image...