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Fighting IG for the first time and have never used Burna Boyz before. A whole unit (or two) seems to be the only way to use Burnas other than the Skorcha in Kombi Weapons (which I will have). Looking for some insight and opinions.

How effective are Burna Boyz? Are they too much of a target or deadly effective against the IG? Pass or add to my list?

I'm also thinking of a couple of Deff Dreds with two Skorchas each.

Anyone? Folly or victory?

If burna boys can be mounted in trukks, thats worth doing i think.

Deff dred might be better off with 1 weapon being rokkit.
Incase you need to kill a tank , you would want to try to immobilize it instead of chasing it in circles.

LunaHound wrote:If burna boys can be mounted in trukks, thats worth doing i think.

Deff dred might be better off with 1 weapon being rokkit.
Incase you need to kill a tank , you would want to try to immobilize it instead of chasing it in circles.

Burnas can ONLY be squad based and take up an Elite tab for Orks. Skorchas can be mounted on Deff Dreds, Killa Kans (Small dreds), Looted Wagons and Buggies.

The only real difference between Burnas and Skorchas is Burnas have the ability to be used as a Power Weapon in CC provided they do not fire during the shooting phase. Burnas S4 Ap5 / Skorchas S5 Ap4, same template.

Given the Ork BS of two, Rokkits on a Dred are pretty much a waste (in my opinion). Power Klaws and Bikes are the Orks primary Anti-Armor technology. Tanks are just a huge challenge for Orks, anyway you slice it.

I do appreciate the feedback but I'm hoping someone out there has experience (using or against) Burnas and an IG army that can give some insight.

My only experience using burnas was a unit of 15 of them with a KFF Big Mek in a Battlewagon dubbed the 'burniator' dropping 16 flame templates from anywhere on the hull of an AV14 vehcile with a 4+ cover save can only described as fun. YMMV

I have not found an effective way to use burna's. While dropping 16 templates is fun, the attractiveness for me is the burna ability to be used as a power weapon. Poor mans Termi Assault squad, but the sheer number of attacks and furious charge is awesome. 6+ armor save, however for a 15pt model is not.

Def Dreads without Kan support = dead Dread. The Def Dread is a pure CC machine. Anything short of a Skorcha is wasting points (except the extra CCW, of course) as you've stated due to BS2.

So, if you're going to take a lot of them I'd take them vs. anything as long as they have a vehicle.

Eg = Take 12 and a Trukk, shoot 6 templates, 6 pw on the charge for assaulting. Just make sure you kill everything the first time, get back in the trukk, find next target.

With the new IG and their singing eunichs, it's important to keep your low Ld toys in a moving bunker and/or out of LoS.

It depends on the rest of your list, though too. You can try footslogging vs. IG, but Mech Orks give you a better chance imo.

I ran a Burnawagon in the last tourney I played at. While fun, it was more effective with a load of Tankbustas. Burnas still wind up being a burny version of Banshees if you foot slog them, but if you want the bang for your buck, start them beside a Mob of 12 Boyz and have the Burnas pile into the Trukk on Turn 1 and then race round the field flaming stuff.

Some good things to consider.

I plan on going all Mech eventually but at this time I really only have the models for a foot sloggin' Army. I can field one BW and one Trukk, however and I can probably quickly assemble two more trukks by game time.

Hmm. I just really think the Burnas and Skorchas can tear into those large units he's bound to throw at me. I do also have two buggies (maybe three I have to check) maybe throw Skorchas on them for some rapid flame deployment.

Also, my experience is limited to fighting elite armies (SM and SoB, which Orks have, so far, excelled at). I've never battled IG in 5th Ed.


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Any other comments or insight is welcome!

Foot slogging wise they arn't that spectacular. Mount them in a trukk and they get a whole lot scarier.

My friend who placed 6th in last year's 'Ard boyz swears by mounting them in a vehicle.
As stated, dropping a bunch of templates from vehicles is great. By way of example he dropped, I think 14 templats on a squad of 8 terminators, covering 6. 14 multiplied by 6 came out to 84 hits which wiped out the entire squad in one go.
He was able to do that at least once, and sometimes more in almost every game he played, over a fair spectrum of army types.
What really works nice is if you can manouver your squad to where the splash over from the burnas can hit other squds. Against troop heavy IG or other horde armies, this is very easy to do most times.

Just so there isnt any confusion about this i have to say:

Burnas cant take trukks as dedicated transports.

Even if you buy a trukk for another squad and put them in it it is likely to die too easily because burnas are actually great.

You have to have them in a battlewagon to make them good, with a KFF preferably. Once in their BW they can kill almost any infantry by dropping 15 flamer templates on them. Remember, since the BW is open topped the templates can be placed from any portion of the hull). One trick is to tank shock an enemy squad into a nice pile and them drop all those flamers on it. Any montrous creatures (bar a wraithlord) and terminators can be dealt with using power weapons. Again since the battlewagon is open topped you can disembark and assault from it. Burnas can be a terrifing unit to fight, because they can deal with almost thing. As long as you have other elements in your army capable of killing tanks then they will do wonder for you.

Relapse wrote: My friend who placed 6th in last year's 'Ard boyz swears by mounting them in a vehicle.
As stated, dropping a bunch of templates from vehicles is great. By way of example he dropped, I think 14 templats on a squad of 8 terminators, covering 6. 14 multiplied by 6 came out to 84 hits which wiped out the entire squad in one go.
He was able to do that at least once, and sometimes more in almost every game he played, over a fair spectrum of army types.
What really works nice is if you can manouver your squad to where the splash over from the burnas can hit other squds. Against troop heavy IG or other horde armies, this is very easy to do most times.

Thats what i had in mind :'p

Yes. I am thinking one BW with Killkannon and 12 Burna boyz and one squadron of three Skorcha Warbuggies. Throw my Nobs on one trukk and bare bone boyz in two more as potential target practice. Devote the rest to as many boyz as I can muster. Hmm. I'll have to work the numbers.

I really do appreciate all of the comments and feedback. Any others are still welcome as well.

KFF Mek in the wagon is your friend every vehicle within 6" of the hull counts as obscured 4+ save as to the killcannon I'd back it up with a couple of bigshootas or just swap it for them this gives you another weapon if one is destroyed so you don't get doubled on it and immobilised.

Burnawagon is hilarious. You can even take Stikkbombs for attacking cover with the power weapons.

If you want to march them you can take Mekboys with Big Shootas or other weapons. But against Guard you are probably better off with Shoota boyz.

I posted my list here...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/244059.page

Version 1.0, of course.

9,9 times out of 10 it is better to use the Burna as a flamer.

What you do is Turn 1 Embark 12 Burnas on a Trukk bought for a Boyz Squad Hoofing it somewhere. Then move 19".

Turn 2, move 6" and unleash burny hell Bloody Rum

IIRC, you can't embark on the Trukk on turn 1, but Turn 2 yes. Could be a 4th ed thing I'm confusing, but burn that motha'.

Uriels_Flame wrote:IIRC, you can't embark on the Trukk on turn 1, but Turn 2 yes. Could be a 4th ed thing I'm confusing, but burn that motha'.

Argh yes. That'll teach me to post when drunk Replace Trukk with battlewaggon and you are good to go

A big squad of mobile burna's is onw of the few things a squad of th/ss assault terminators fears.

Still viable - especially if you pull DoW.

But got me thinking about how to put them in my list. . .

I played on Saturday night with two squads of 5 Burnaz each led by a warphead.

Deep-Striking Burnaz right behind the enemy lines is awesome! Also awesome is a str 10 auto-hitting lightning bolt that one-shotted my opponents oblitorator!

I used a squad of burna boyz in combat for the first time yesterday. I was playing against a foot slogging list with my mechanized Orks. My opponent had a 30 man squad of 'Ard Boyz led by Mad Dok Grotsnik crossing a bridge over a river; I rolled up a battlewagon with 15 burnas inside, tank shocked them to get them to group up a bit more, then laid down 15 templates. I had 135 hits and caused 96 wounds.

His 'Ard Boy squad melted, and Mad Dok escaped with two wounds remaining, after which point, I had him chase an empty trukk for the rest of the game that had no big shoota left.

The burna boyz then went over to the 30 man boy squad that his Ghazghkull was leading (all with cybork bodies) and flamed them; I could only get 6 under my template, so I had 90 hits. I still killed everyone except for Ghazghkull, and his nob took one wound. My Ghazghkull and a squad of trukk boyz then turned around and assaulted his nob and Ghazghkull, with predictable results.
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I put the Burna boyz into my army list because I run into trouble with Nidzilla lists, and I think that they're the answer to those 2+ and 3+ armor saves with 4-5 wounds per model. I figure if I can get a couple of Nidzillas in a multi-assault I'll be in good shape.

That trukk will never get close enough to my Big Bugs!

But seriously Burna Boyz are awesome if mounted. You always have the option of jumping out and laying down a beating but most of the time the sheer number of wounds from templates make that unimportant

If you're going to use them without a transport, make sure to have a mob of grots to provide cover and an assault screen. Move the Burnas out from behind the Grotz to burn stuff, then have the Grotz run back in front to provide a meat shield. The best part is when someone charges the Grots and wipes them out; then they're sitting ducks, soon to be sitting ducks on fire.

Yeah,

Burnas/Skorchas were pretty good against IG but a combination of not being as prepared as I'd like for the IG (i.e. lots of armor with guns and not owning an IG Codex) and a really screwy set-up didn't allow me the best use of my Battlewagon or Burna Boyz, sadly, both died without any fuss. This did enable my Skorcha buggies to do some damage and and my Kommandos with Burnas lay waste to a very large IG Platoon and created a nice diversion for a couple of turns. I'm not dissuaded by Burnas and Skorchas but I really need to think about how to utilize this stuff better. I felt lucky pulling the draw. Learned loads, however!