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So, at my local Club, everyone plays 40k and only 3 of them Play Fantasy. We have no Fantasy only players.

Hows the situation where all ya'll are? You have more Players who play 40k and not Fantasy or Players who Play Fantasy and not 40k, or do most people play both games?

Of course the 4th option is a bit more common: Those who don't play either

Fantasy is much more complex than 40k, which can sometimes be annoying, and hence why I think that less people play it.

At my FLGS, we get a good amount of 40k and Fantasy Players, though more 40k players for sure.

Cryonicleech wrote:Fantasy is much more complex than 40k, which can sometimes be annoying, and hence why I think that less people play it.

Stelek Disagrees with you and so do I, but thats by the by. I have personaly played 2 games of fantasy, and it seemed alright, just dont have the resources to play both. What my friend tells me (so i dunno if this is true) is that Fantasy has a reall problem with Balance, namely in the fact Legacy Army books are so much weaker than new ones, while 40k does not have it to that degree (In fact the Dark Eldar and Witch Hunters codexes are damn well competative if you know how to use them)

40k is much more balanced than fantasy. In fantasy you literally can't win with some armies against other armies unless you get really lucky and you outclass your opponent. 40k isn't perfect but considering the complexity of the rules, the diversity of the armies and the number of models on the table I think that they managed to come up with a fantastic game. The only reason that I cling to fantasy at all is because I prefer swords and sorcery to spaceships and guns. I rarely manage to find a game, though.

Ahhhh Stelek. I might as well give up.

It isn't a major balance problem, per sey, but right now you would be correct in stating there is a balance problem. Matt Ward and his Daemon Armybook should not EVER be allowed to write again.

That aside, the balance isn't too bad. I've use Orcs n' Goblins (Collectively referred to as the weakest army) to beat High Elves (Collectively much better than said OnG), Dark Elves, and Warriors of Chaos.

But you are right, it is somewhat of an uphill battle.

I will also say that Fantasy is more expensive. Especially the Elf Armies. Most Special and Rare choices in the Armybooks tend to be either Metal (Black Guard, Dark Riders, Etc.) or expensive (Gold...er Greatswords)

OT.

I house game most often. The sh*t kicker store a town over has 60% 40k only players and probably 40% that play 40k and fantasy. "Leaving WHFB only" players with 0% .
(I have a little over 1k Dark Elves but they remain unpainted and few games played.)

I don't visit the FLGS when the Fantasy player play, but there is a good mix of both here.

SsevenN wrote:OT.

I house game most often. The sh*t kicker store a town over has 60% 40k only players and probably 40% that play 40k and fantasy. "Leaving WHFB only" players with 0% .
(I have a little over 1k Dark Elves but they remain unpainted and few games played.)

That's kinda what I see. Really, the only reason that I still play 40k is because it's the only way that I can get a game in most of the time. Half the time when I show up at my FLGS on fantasy days I just run into people who are there to play 40k.

when i was a young lad, the flgs i went to seemed to be mainly fantasy, from what i recall.

i distinctly remember someone asking asking when some guy was going to paint his army, to which he replied (they're goblins, and there are like 150 of them, i'll just spray paint them green later)

looking back, the figures in the display case were probably eldar, but i never looked to closely, being more of a magic player in those days.

i do remember an ork stompa though, that was probably 2 or 3 times more massive then the plastic kits


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forgot to add, the places i frequent these days seem to be more on the 40k side, but with fantasy still present

Fantasy just seems boring to play. I mean every time I watch a game its like " Move Forward" I move this much oh well I move this much.


It's basically just snakes and ladders.

Go is basically just checkers.

Hollismason wrote:Fantasy just seems boring to play. I mean every time I watch a game its like " Move Forward" I move this much oh well I move this much.


It's basically just snakes and ladders.

Oh come on now. It get 40k is in essence the same thing. Fantasy is much more involved than 40k, I've played both.

40k is simply: Move, Shoot, Assault

Fantasy has a lot more to it than movement, Combat is more protracted, model psychology plays into effect (I.E. Stupidity, Frenzy, Etc.) and the magic phase alone is complex enough (Do I want to save up my Dispel dice for a later spell or dispel everything he throws? Can casting this one spell affect his movement, Combat, or shooting phases? Etc.)

I understand that this is a 40k Forum, and that Fantasy takes a sort of "Back Seat" but come on. It's a perfectly fine game, and I don't see why people bash it so much.

Fantasy definitely attracts older gamers. Every 12-year-old boy wants to play an army of eight-foot-tall killing machines covered in so much paint that you can't see where their head is.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Fantasy definitely attracts older gamers. Every 12-year-old boy wants to play an army of eight-foot-tall killing machines covered in so much paint that you can't see where their head is.

This is true. All the games I play in Fantasy are usually with older opponents.

Ahh Spehss Merines! what fun!

Errrm... our club fits neither option. We mainly play other games. Although we do play the games you mention from time to time.

Next week I'm playing BFG, this week it was WotR, last week and the week before it was Uncharted Seas, the week before that it was Rapid Fire, the week before that it was Flintloque... and then my memory fails me.

I think the last time I played 40k was February, and the last time I played Fantasy was... ooh... 2007. Possibly.

If you are asking which of the two GW core non-LotR-related games gets more of an airing in my club I'd say 40k, at least now 5th edition has fixed a lot of the things we found irritating. Fantasy though occasionally gets an outing only for nostalgia reasons. There always seems something more interesting to play however, which is why my all-metal 2nd-edition Greenskin army hasn't seen the light of day for nearly 2 years.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Fantasy definitely attracts older gamers. Every 12-year-old boy wants to play an army of eight-foot-tall killing machines covered in so much paint that you can't see where their head is.

wait... what? That statement can go either way, thus flawed.


Its a shame though, FB is clearly under represented.

Gah. So many statements I could disagree with but meh- to each his own I guess.

1. A game is only as simple as those who play it.

2.Anything that requires 'trays' to move units I can replace with Grid paper and a craft knife..

I am a Space Marinez Fanboi.

Bias rules

More 40k players for sure.
Little kids also almost always start with 40k.
It is only some of our older, experienced members who are devvling in fantasy.
I however detest (exaggeration) the game, how can one get a negative -3 save? Some of this stuff is outrageous. the only use for fantasy is to convert 40k models.

More 40k players at my club, but they are willing to try fantasy and play regularly.

We also have interest in mordheim or necromunda, for smaller games in the same milieu.

About the same situation as in your group GWAR, but with a growing gothic player base too.

HAte to sound like a broken record but.... 40k hands down. We dont even roll with WHFB.

At our flgs it is hands down 40k. Probably of the 10 or so, regulars (myself not included) maybe 3 have fantasy armies. The store owner barely supports 40k, but I think I'm the only person that has bought anything from him in over a year (other than army books).

We have another store an hour away and it seems to be about 60-40 40k-Fantasy, but most of the Fantasy guys only play Fantasy so the scene is better.

If Fantasy was better supported in our area I don't think it would matter. We have a pretty imature group of players and any game outside of 40k is quickly abandoned. I'm not demeaning 40k in anyway, but our group is stuck in a timewarp. We still have players stuck in 2nd and 3rd edition so it's hard to find veteran players that actually try to advance in the current rules set.

I feer so ronery.

Our group was 40k, dabbled in Fantasy for a while, now back to 40k. I seriously doubt that we'll go back to Fantasy, but we may move to LotR WotR for fantasy-themed wargaming.

I started with 40k, picked up Fantasy, and have mothballed it for the last few years. One day, I'll probably revisit it, maybe when 8th comes out.

40k and WotR seem to play smoother, and definitely have better balance among armies.

Emperors Faithful wrote:More 40k players for sure.
Little kids also almost always start with 40k.
It is only some of our older, experienced members who are devvling in fantasy.
I however detest (exaggeration) the game, how can one get a negative -3 save? Some of this stuff is outrageous. the only use for fantasy is to convert 40k models.

The best save I know of is -2, but a roll of 1 is still a failure, mind you.

Well, there's a fair Fantasy contingent at my school (Helps to have a teacher sponser), But Wednsday night wargaming was more 40k. Have yet to see what the Thursdays will offer (If anything).

On the whole Fantasy Imbalance, it is only really Vamp Counts and Daemons that cause Problems (100% Unbreakable! Whoo!), and to a lesser extent, tomb Kings. I'll shut up before I start Ranting.

Fantasy is pretty dead here now and has been for awhile. 40k does better but Flames of War and Warmachine both have more players right now.

My FLGS seems to be about 30% 40k, 50% WHFB and 20% both. For ME the easier way to find a game would be to play WHFB but the 2 problems are
A) Money.
B) I love guns and PW and PF concepts and idea's better.






-Orkishly

Our store is about 60% 40k only players, 30% who play both, and 10% that are fantasy only.


I used to enjoy fantasy until my orcs got fethed by power creep. Now I pretty much just play 40k, which is a much better system since 5th ed came out.

artyboy wrote:40k is much more balanced than fantasy. In fantasy you literally can't win with some armies against other armies unless you get really lucky and you outclass your opponent. 40k isn't perfect but considering the complexity of the rules, the diversity of the armies and the number of models on the table I think that they managed to come up with a fantastic game. The only reason that I cling to fantasy at all is because I prefer swords and sorcery to spaceships and guns. I rarely manage to find a game, though.

I agree, atm Fantasy is just crazy unbalanced. Both my Fantasy armies will stay on the shelf until thhis has been resolved.
40k will hold me over for the time being.

My gaming group is currently 40k only, though most of us have at least one fantasy army (in storage).