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So i just wanted to do a little questionaire to find out peoples opinions on a variety of subjects on Sportsmenship. Anyway here we go:


Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?


Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

A. Allow him to do so without complaint

B. Let him off this time but ask he warns you in advance if he's going to do something like this.

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

D. Other(please specify)


Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

B. Same as A but if he refuses to listen to your advice argue with him to try and make him see rational sense.

C. Continue to beat or refuse to play the guy, his list is his own and nothing to do with you.

D. Other(please specify)


Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

A. Ask him to rewrite his list to include models he does have.

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

C. Other(please specify)

Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

A. Justified

B. Antisocial

C. Other(please specify)

combo wrote:Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

That one time, yes. Thereafter, he has been reminded of the correct way to play, and needs to do it right from now on.

combo wrote:Question 2. Your opponent mid-game tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

Depends. Most of the items that are "replaced" by Codex Space Marines have been FAQed, but I can't be bothered to keep track of it. I'm sure it's not going to be game breaking. I guess my answer is B.

combo wrote:Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

Totally A. I will try to help him get better, but if he likes sucking, that's on him.

combo wrote:Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

Any answer other than B is douchebaggery.

combo wrote:Question 5. [i]During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

B. It's antisocial. Then again, I'm pretty antisocial myself, and tend to focus everything I'm saying on the game at hand, so I can't really be trusted as an unbiased source here.

combo wrote:Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

On the first attempt, yes, I'd let the shot happen. On the second, I'd say no and explain why, while on the third attempt I'll ask what it was he was trying to do.

combo wrote:Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

D. I'd say, "Cool, let's try that and see how it works out." Then, after the game, talk about how that gear effected the game and whether or not it was a good idea to pop it out as a surprise versus simply asking about it at the beginning. Make it a learning experience.

combo wrote:Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

D. I would talk about what I'm doing during play, explaining each action as I take it and even explaining my though process for each move, and encourage my opponent to do the same. After the game I'd talk about the ups and downs of the game, things that went right and things that didn't with a focus on what work and what could be changed. After enough games, I'd hold back my in game comments while continuing to do after action reports, and then eventual take a step back and start playing games competitively again. This is my way of teaching a game to build a player with good habits so I can eventually have a good opponent.

combo wrote:Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

B. I'd allow a proxy. It's all about "counts as" these days, so no big deal.

combo wrote:Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

C. I'd consider a personal quirk and limit my own in-game conversation. However, if the individual does not want to talk after the game, I most likely will never play them again do to that behavior being anti-social in my mind.


SJ

1. If he can move the crewman into range without breaking coherency then I would allow him to do so (presumably, if he was aware he had to measure from the crewman then he'd have put him at the front of the unit?)

2. C - codexes are self contained and I have the FAQs/Erratas regarding the items that are carried over. If he wants to play special rules then he needs to arrange that beforehand.

3. A / D - A but also offer the guys some coaching games.

4. B - this is pretty much the only time I see proxying being apropriate.

5. Does he not want any conversation? or just conversation about the game? If the latter then it's fine. The former is a little anti-social.

1. I'm confused by the question. Is the implication that the weapon platform was in range but the guardians weren't? If so, let him swap the weapon platform with a guardian model to make the game state legal since it's an easy thing to fix.

2. D. Explain that option C is what I was expecting, and that if we're playing by different rules we need to stop and reach agreement now to prevent any unpleasant surprises.

3. Mostly A. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. But you can leave the water out if it changes its mind...

4. B, although I reserve the right to employ good natured grousing about proxying rhinos for dreadnoughts or similar situations.

5. Both A and B. Nothing wrong with being antisocial. If you wanted polite conversation, shouldn't you be at a coffee shop, and not the game store?

1. No. The last part is the only relevent part. If the model is actually out of range, it is out of range.

2.B, while the opponent should have discussed it (not "told you") beforehand, no problem. Its unsportsmanlike to spring this type of house rules on you opponent mid-game.

3.A i guess

4.B, unless this is a tourny. Then he is SOL.

5.A. No need to slow the game down for your opponent. If all involved parties want a break for a brief conversation or refreshments thats okay too though. Just so long as you aren't having a side conversation that is slowing down the game.

1. Yes, this one time, he has been corrected so will realise for subsequent turns.

2. D Other: Ask him from now on whether he will specifically use the Vanilla or other codex and whichever one he chooses not to use you ask him to put it away so no more confusion occurs. He can now no longer use rules or wargear from the 'discarded' codex.

3. A: Saves a conflict and is supportive to the point of friendly not annoying.

4. B: Saves time, we don't have to rewrite things, it's a friendly game and it stops people getting arsey with each other.

5. C: Depends on the situation. For example, if he was halfway through a combat working out wound allocation and you were trying to engage him in a conversation about sport then his ignoral is justified. However, if he is doing a similar thing and you are trying to ask him something relevant to the rest of the day (where you want to go and eat for example) then he is just being anti-social.

That's my thoughts anyway,

The OC-D

1) No, not in a tourney, mabye (IF i feel benevolent) in a casual game.

2) B. In a tourney he can bugger off.

3) A, mabye a little bit of B.

4) B, otherwise that makes you a jackass.

5) In a tourney (or really short of time) A. But if it is friendly then B, as it is just rude (the banter is half the fun)

combo wrote:
Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

No. Out of range is out of range. There is no slightly. Once you go down that road, what stops me from asking an opponent to forgo any of his shots that are only slightly in-range?

Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

This is seeming less like a "sportsmanship" quiz, and more of a 'how much will you let an opponent break the rules quiz." There is nothing unsporting about expecting to play the game by the rules.

Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

Most new players want advice. Those that don't shouldn't have it forced on them.

Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

- Unless this is a habit with this opponent. If it's a once-in-a-while thing, sure, no problem. If this opponent cannot seem to ever get their stuff together, I'll eventually start saying no.

Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

That's fine. It's not how I play, but I take no offence at it.

Hmmm, but the game itself is also about socialising yes? Not just mindlessly winning the game?

combo wrote:
Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

Depends. how much is "slightly" out of range? 0.5" or less? Let it slide. Next time, no. 1" or more, no.

combo wrote:
Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

A. Allow him to do so without complaint

B. Let him off this time but ask he warns you in advance if he's going to do something like this.

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

D. Other(please specify)

C.

combo wrote:
Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

B. Same as A but if he refuses to listen to your advice argue with him to try and make him see rational sense.

C. Continue to beat or refuse to play the guy, his list is his own and nothing to do with you.

D. Other(please specify)

A. Once his game has finished.

combo wrote:
Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

A. Ask him to rewrite his list to include models he does have.

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

C. Other(please specify)

C. Just because I don't play with models I don't have (or a representation of), doesn't mean I expect others to do so. Provided the 'proxy' is a size match. I don't allow a landspeeder for a baneblade, for example. A chimera for a basilisk or any other chimera hulled vehicle is fine.

combo wrote:
Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

A. Justified

B. Antisocial

C. Other(please specify)

A. He's playing a game. It's rude to interrupt. I'll wait for him to take a break or finish the game. I learned patience early on.

combo wrote:So i just wanted to do a little questionaire to find out peoples opinions on a variety of subjects on Sportsmenship. Anyway here we go:


Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

Yes, it's an honest mistake. I'd give him one "gimme."

Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.
(No 'codex-shopping!')




Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.


Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

A. Justified
(but I'd think twice about accepting a game with him again.)

combo wrote:Question 1. ...and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

No.

Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

D. Other(please specify)
It depends on the setting. If it's a friendly game, I'd probably let it slide. If it was a tourney, I might. It depends what the list is. If he built the list to be a horrible cheese-fest (say, BT assault marines with storm shields), I wouldn't let him. If it is was using a Heavy 4 Rending assault cannon for his one GK dreadnaught, I would be fine with it.

Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

C. Other(please specify)
I'd prefer he rewrite his list, and that's what I woudl do. I'd be fine with a proxy, as long as it won't be confusing (for example, having two daemon princes, and one is a DP and the other is a proxy for a dread).

Question 5. [i]During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

C. Other(please specify)
I'd consider it odd, but I'd respect it and ignore it.

1. No. That could of been an honest mistake, but that doesnt matter. If your out of range, your out of range. Besides, a player should know their codex.

2. B. Personally I think the fact that a SM player isnt allowed to use things from all the SM codex is kind of lame. Id let it slide that time. But then and their they need to tell me exactly what they are picking and choosing from each dex.

3. I want to say A. I dont like getting into that type of talk during a game. Thats not fair. After said game, Id talk and ask if he needed some advice and tips. Thats how I teach the youngins in our group. New players you need to take at least a little ease on them.

4. B. and C. Il totally allow a proxy, specially if its an honest oops. C. Ill offer them the peice if I happen to have it.

5. A. Some people are like that. As long as the person isnt being a complete ass it wont bother me at all.

combo wrote:
Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

Yes, just this once (this shooting phase with this model only), no prob.

combo wrote:
Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

A. Allow him to do so without complaint

B. Let him off this time but ask he warns you in advance if he's going to do something like this.

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

D. Other(please specify)

C (mid-game suggests he knows what he is doing)

combo wrote:
Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

B. Same as A but if he refuses to listen to your advice argue with him to try and make him see rational sense.

C. Continue to beat or refuse to play the guy, his list is his own and nothing to do with you.

D. Other(please specify)

A & D (If he gives guff, let him be but offer help again after the game or in the future)

combo wrote:Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

A. Ask him to rewrite his list to include models he does have.

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

C. Other(please specify)

B, especially if I know him and know he has the model, no prob. If new (to me) its his only chance with proxy-ing this blatantly.

combo wrote:Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour



A. Justified

B. Antisocial

C. Other(please specify)

C. A bit intense but not that big of a deal as long as its in-game only.

Question 1.
Yes, because he would most likely have positioned his models differently if he knew the rules.

Question 2.
C. It's the rules after all.

Question 3.
A.

Question 4.
B. Of course.

Question 5.
A. I'm there to play a good game, not gossip around.

combo wrote:Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

that once, from then no

combo wrote:Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

b, just because i do not like to not know wtf is going on

combo wrote:Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

always a, because i would hope that if i was playing a list completly wrong, then someone would give me advice

combo wrote:Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

b, it is what i would hope for if i accidently left a model at home

combo wrote:Question 5. [i]During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

c, i would consider it nothing as i generally tak about the game in game then other things out of game

1. Nope. Range is range, and folks should know their own codex. There's leeway with other stuff, but you need to know your own stuff.

2. D. Other//I don't know SM rules well enough, so I'd call a tournament organizer over and ask them to tell me what to do.

3. B. I'm stubborn; I'll offer advice and if they don't learn, I'll try presenting it a few different ways to try getting it through that thick skull. There comes a point when I stop try though.

4. B. Missing a piece? Proxy something - just tell me what it is and we're good.

5. A. Justified; if someone is focused on the game, so be it. Most games, I'm talking throughout my turn, telling my opponent what I'm doing and there isn't really time for other chat. IE, "I'm assault with 12 orks, one of which is nobs. They have two base attacks, +1 on the charge, +1 for having two CC weapons. One is a nob, which leaves 11 boyz with 4 attacks each. That's 44 attacks. I'm going to take my block of purple dice (36) plus 8 of these other dice. Your WS is 4, mine is 4, I need 4s to hit. *commence rolling* 16 hits, and I need 4s to wound *rolls dice again* 7 wounds. *sits down to let opponent roll saves*

1. Allow it once then enforce the correct rule for the rest of the game.


2. C


3. A

4. B

51. C. Depends on if it is a tournament game. If a tournament then A. If not, then I would think it was wierd but okay.

combo wrote:1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform

2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:
C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced
A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:
B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you.

C. Other(please specify)

1. If he's going to measure from the AGP (because it looks better), and do it consistently, then that's fine by me. If it's a Tournament, and the game is on the line, and this is the first time, it comes up, I might actually care. But if I allow it on turn 1, then he's going to measure like that for the entire game. "Technically, you're supposed to measure from the crewman, but as you could have moved the crewman into range during your movements, it's not a big deal - play on!"

OTOH, if he's fudging distances simply to win, then I'm going to start teleporting my guys around during movement without really bothering (or caring) to measure. It will be blatant and abusive, and when he complains, I'm going to tell him that it's only going to stop *after* he starts following the rules.


2. If you're playing DA, then you're playing DA. Otherwise, I'm going to pick and choose my rules going back to RT. When I break out the Large Flamer templates for my Warp Spiders, and mixing rules around, he's going to be very, very sorry...


3. It's up to him or her, I'm happy to play however they want to play.

4. If he's cool, and the proxy is available, field it and move on. However, if he's made any TFG WYSIWYG noises or complaints in previous games, no way am I cutting him any slack.

5. I personally enjoy table talk - that's kind of the point. But if he wants to play a serious game, OK, no biggie.

No
C. Refuse
A. Offer him help if he wants it
B. Proxy - I dont care, as long as its clear obviously.
B. Antisocial.

I agree with the majority here- yes, let the guy shoot, yes, let the guy proxy, yes let the surprise happen just once.. HOwever this questio 5 is interesting to me.

"Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

A. Justified

B. Antisocial

C. Other(please specify)"

Seeing as how social interaction is all interaction, that is, interaction as well as non interaction (Staying at home not going to a party sends social signals as well as going to that same party). Ergo there is no such thing as anti-social (remember, anti is the prefix indicating opposite or against). The person, by ignoring you, is still very much sending social signals. They are just not postively recieved by the sender.

In truth a lot of this situation has to do with achieved roles, status as well as other factors such as gender. Ex. if it's a female player who your trying to talk to the conversation could be precieved differently from casual and therefore ignoring the out of game talk is clearly justified.

You would see the same situation in a person who has achieved status, such as tournament winners or, if you get down to it, people who think they have higher status due to factors of appearance, race or even something as nominal as whether or not you took the time to paint your army. This keys into the Conflict Theories of Social Interaction which emphasises individuals with higher status enjoy more power than those of lower status. As the person of higher status, is it their rght to act they way they do.

This question really isn't a sportsmanship question but a sociological question and what your reaction is to a sociological situation. It also assumes your using the Exchange Theory of sociology, that is, the theory that social interaction involves the trade of valued resources. Furthermore, it can be assume the sender is subscribing to the Rational Choice Theory which states people weigh the costs with the benefits in all social interaction.

In fact, both parties are probably using the Rational Choice Theory and guaging whether or not a conversation outweighs the benefits. Maybe the benefits are low, a few moments of whimsical discussion and on your way. Maybe they're high, an everlasting friendship to survive the ages.

There's so much going on here and so little we know. Is player "A", the Ignorer (who is clearly showing their dominance over the other individual by doing the ignoring), sending off status cues to let you know where they stand?

So there is real no right answer as both A and B are both wrong and right. Yes, in some instances the social interaction described above is justified. And Yes, in other situations ia may but unjustified, but only to the person of lesser power.

A wise man once said "You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

JohnHwangDD wrote:

2. If you're playing DA, then you're playing DA. Otherwise, I'm going to pick and choose my rules going back to RT. When I break out the Large Flamer templates for my Warp Spiders, and mixing rules around, he's going to be very, very sorry...

HELL YEAH!!!!

QFT

Question 1: Sportsmanship or Sportsmenship

Question 2: If you have to look it up or rely on spell check, please do so


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combo wrote:

Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

What kind of Eldar player is he, using heavy weapon platforms? I would allow him to move his crew member to the front so I could assault him next turn.

combo wrote:
Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

A. Allow him to do so without complaint

B. Let him off this time but ask he warns you in advance if he's going to do something like this.

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

D. Other(please specify)

Hmm.... Kill him with kindness for C. If he refused, politely take his army list to the bathroom with you . . . .

combo wrote:


Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

B. Same as A but if he refuses to listen to your advice argue with him to try and make him see rational sense.

C. Continue to beat or refuse to play the guy, his list is his own and nothing to do with you.

D. Other(please specify)

I've tried to be nice to new players, but nothing brings gets their attention faster than wasting their army - especially in front of their friends. Then they learn to either pay more attention, or stop playing. A win win, especially if their under 13.

combo wrote:

Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

A. Ask him to rewrite his list to include models he does have.

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

C. Other(please specify)

Depends on what he has to proxy, but I think I can remember what he's using.

combo wrote:

Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

A. Justified

B. Antisocial

C. Other(please specify)

I believe I'll just start counting the minutes until the game is over and just keep smiling

Question 1 (out of range eldar): A. I'd let him, but just once

Question 2 (mixed codexes): D. I might let him, because I think GW messed up on this one, but it'd largely depend on how he approached it. If just expects to be able to use those rules then no. If he says 'Can I use these rules? Sorry, I meant to ask earlier' I'd be more accomodating.

Question 3 (newbie): A. I'd want to help out, but I'm not very competitive myself, so I'd understand if he just wants to play for fun and doesn't care about winning. Or if he wants to figure things out himself.

Question 4 (proxy): C. I think I must be a bit of a douchebag, because I'd have a bit of a problem with this. I don't like proxying or 'counts as', unless you're trying to field something unique that doesn't have rules (an invented alien or a retconned race), or you want to use non-GW minis for creative reasons or budget. Other than that I think it undermines the individuality of units (Not all daemons are alike, they shouldn't all use the same fething rules grr) and in practice it's just confusing. So unless this guy could find something very similar to the missing piece I'd try to find another solution. I'd be nice about it though. I'd lend him pieces if it'd help, or help him rewrite, or drop something of similar worth from my army.

Question 5 (non-talking player): C. Again, it depends on his attitude. If he's just trying to concentrate then fine, it'd be rude to distract him. If he's just not very talkative, but friendly enough, then that's ok too. But if he's too up himself to speak to me then I'll walk off and find another opponent.

Thank you for the great answers on this quiz, some of the answers were pretty much what I predicted whilst others were strangely far from what I thought would be said! BTW the reason for this test was not to find out how sporting your answers are but to try and find out what the majority of the group considers fair play.

Question 1. Player A tries to shoot his guardian squads heavy weapon, but measures from the Weapon platform rather than the crew member, after being highlighted of his mistake(Eldar codex clearly states that measurement be from the crew member not the platform) by Player B and remeasuring from the crew member his weapon is slightly out of range, would you allow him to shoot the weapon even though he is out of range?

No. You are out of Range, and you Auto Miss.

Question 2. Your opponent midgame tries to use the rules from the vanilla Space Marine codex for wargear even though he is using the Black Templar or Dark Angel codex. Do you:

A. Allow him to do so without complaint

B. Let him off this time but ask he warns you in advance if he's going to do something like this.

C. Politely refuse to let him do so and ask he uses the rules from his own book.

D. Other(please specify)

C.

Question 3. A new player has joined your club and is obviously very inexperienced, his list is poorly designed and he often makes silly mistakes during his games. Do you:

A. Offer him advice and tactics on his army and list but if he is unwilling to listen to your advice you nod politely and leave him to his own ends.

B. Same as A but if he refuses to listen to your advice argue with him to try and make him see rational sense.

C. Continue to beat or refuse to play the guy, his list is his own and nothing to do with you.

D. Other(please specify)

C.

Question 4. An opponent arrives for a game but has mispacked his stuff and is missing a crucial piece of his army, do you:

A. Ask him to rewrite his list to include models he does have.

B. Allow him to proxy a sufficiently different model.

C. Other(please specify)

C. If it one model and a Genuine Mistake, I have no Problem with him using a Different model to proxy. If it happens regularly, I will make him go for Option A.

Question 5. During your game your opponent is focused entirely on the game, and is unwilling to have a conversation outside of the game at hand with you. Do you consider his Behaviour

A. Justified

B. Antisocial

C. Other(please specify)

A

1. After that first time I would require the rule to be followed. The first time could easily have been a mistake, everyone forgets from time to time.

2. Somebody said that all of the wargear updated in Codex: Space Marines was been FAQ'd for the other codex, but for the life of me I can't find it. As a DA player I would be very interested in having the updated material. With that being said, the BT and SM codex are two seperate sets of rules. If the player does not have the printed rules updates bringing the wargear in line with the new SM codex he needs to stick with what's in his BT codex, so C.

3. A. We all had to start somewhere, and getting crushed time and time again due to lack of knowledge on game mechanics and or tactics can drive a player from the hobby. If the player is unwilling to take advise then all you can do is show him the error of their ways with a good ol' fashion beat down.

4. A or B would be fine. The only exception would be if they use the excuse as a tactic to get a look at an opponents army and then make custom changes tailored to beat a specific army.

5. B. It's a game. People who focus on the game like the outcome will determine the fate of the world really suck the fun right out of the room.

1) How longs he been playing the army? If he's only just starting with the army OK. If not he's been playing it for a while no.

2)C. However if he'd asked me first I'd be fine with it. I can't stand rules changing during a game!

3)C. For tactics I will not advise for rules I don't mind reminding usually I play in a club so somwebody else will be around to give advice which I don't mind much.

4)B I don't mind proxying at all myself.

5)A If he's being polite I tend to try and concentrate on the game myself.