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 th3maninblak wrote:
Anyone else notice that Descent of Angels is now a warlord trait? Thats mildly disconcerting. The traits have super cool names though. Like artisan of war, or soul warden.

......... this is going to suck, if there isn't something in return for basically losing this to randomness. Considering it was our basic equivalent of a chapter tactic....... but hey .....why make sense.

Given it looks like a new kit...I'd say the rumor is there's going to be a new termi kit for BA.

As for those who wish to whine ALREADY without the codex even being out, please go elsewhere. You make the internet a crappy place with your overt and unwarranted negativity.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I wonder if the termie humpback decorations are really iron halos or just bling. They look like the former visually and it would be interesting to see a full squad of 4+ invul tactical termies.

Bling most likely. Just look at the Space Hulk termies.

Still don't know the answer for sure. In the PDF that collated all the ipad previews, it actually labels the thing an "Aureate Halo". Since it is a preview pdf, I can't access the little "i" info tag next to it though.


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 BlackArmour wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Anyone else notice that Descent of Angels is now a warlord trait? Thats mildly disconcerting. The traits have super cool names though. Like artisan of war, or soul warden.

......... this is going to suck, if there isn't something in return for basically losing this to randomness. Considering it was our basic equivalent of a chapter tactic....... but hey .....why make sense.

Has anyone seen a leak or preview yet of the red thirst rules? Do all blood angels have furious charge like they used to? In the preview pdf posted a few pages back by Dedard, they don't have anything listed under army special rules. Space wolves get counterattack and acute senses, DA get stubborn, vanilla marines get pretty much one of everything depending on which chapter tactic you take... and Blood Angels get... nipples?

I think the idea is that all BA get furious charge, though losing our signature rule (if it actually is happening that way) will suck.

Like I said before, be careful what you wish for. Everyone wanted a new BA codex sooo bad, you ignored the warnings and didn't pay attention when all the other 7th edition codices dropped ("You're just being negative!"), or you naively thought you would be getting better treatment despite two other Marine armies not being so lucky ("Negative!")...and now it's starting to look like the new codex might not actually be an improvement over the old like you previously believed?

...yeah, totally didn't see that one coming. There was absolutely no precedent for this. Completely...unexpected...

Personally, though, I'm still holding out a slight sliver of hope that this book ends up being OP as feth, just so it takes some more of the heat off of Tau and everyone has a new army to whine about. Bonus points if it ends up driving BA players out of the game because either there's no challenge anymore and the game is completely unfulfilling, or better yet, the community forces them to "retire" their armies because it's just so unfair to play against them, and all their beautiful nipple-y models sit on the shelf gathering dust again or get sold on eBay for a pittance. But I find it unlikely.

Yes, I'm a vindictive son of a bitch, bite me.

Anyway, I heard that the Librarian model might be $50, is there any truth to that or is it just wild speculation? I assume it would be $30 like the other Marine characters, which is still pretty ludicrous on its own, but $50 is just so absurd, even for GW, that I find it pretty hard to believe.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Anyway, I heard that the Librarian model might be $50, is there any truth to that or is it just wild speculation? I assume it would be $30 like the other Marine characters, which is still pretty ludicrous on its own, but $50 is just so absurd, even for GW, that I find it pretty hard to believe.

I haven't heard that anywhere. What I have heard is he is a made from the supposed (and seemingly confirmed from those previews the BL has released) BA terminator kit, which could make him $50(or $10, since those usually come ing roups of 5 in a box).

Out of all the flavors this dude had to pick salty.

And the space wolves codex is pretty awesome. So if this codex, despite the negativity, is anything like that then we'll be ok.

 troa wrote:


I haven't heard that anywhere. What I have heard is he is a made from the supposed (and seemingly confirmed from those previews the BL has released) BA terminator kit, which could make him $50(or $10, since those usually come ing roups of 5 in a box).

So perhaps the only way to buy him, much like the Chaplain in the Reclusiam Command Squad? That would make sense from a sales perspective from GW's side of things.

Yea , we don't know enough to be negative yet.

but still a loss or randomizing of DOA actually, would make me a sad panda.

I really hope all of special rules aren't tied to getting charges off though........ I had way to many opponents figure out they should start charging me first in order to cancel out any special effects and sand bag me down. This was my main hope for this codex really. But enough wish listing. answers are only a week away now

 th3maninblak wrote:
Out of all the flavors this dude had to pick salty.

I'll remember that in a week.

In all seriousness though I hope it's not that bad. My brother plays Blood Angels and I'd hate to see him get another crappy update after already having endured the new CSM book. One of his Khorne-worshipping armies of lunatics should at least have a playable book.

 troa wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

Anyway, I heard that the Librarian model might be $50, is there any truth to that or is it just wild speculation? I assume it would be $30 like the other Marine characters, which is still pretty ludicrous on its own, but $50 is just so absurd, even for GW, that I find it pretty hard to believe.

I haven't heard that anywhere. What I have heard is he is a made from the supposed (and seemingly confirmed from those previews the BL has released) BA terminator kit, which could make him $50(or $10, since those usually come ing roups of 5 in a box).

Oh, really? I assumed it was a clampack like the priest and other Marine characters. Packaging him in a box like that might not be so bad...in my opinion anyway. Yeah, you have to buy a bunch of models you might not necessarily want, but considering the only other option is paying out the ass anyway and only getting the one model then it's certainly not the worst option.

And with a lowly tactical squad slowly creeping up there to match ($43 now, wow...), $50 for a terminator kit doesn't sound quite as bad anymore.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Like I said before, be careful what you wish for. Everyone wanted a new BA codex sooo bad, you ignored the warnings and didn't pay attention when all the other 7th edition codices dropped ("You're just being negative!"), or you naively thought you would be getting better treatment despite two other Marine armies not being so lucky ("Negative!")...and now it's starting to look like the new codex might not actually be an improvement over the old like you previously believed?

Death Company with JP is either 23 or 25 and they only lost 1 WS and became scoring.
Sanguinary Guard seem to be 33 points.
So it's already better than the old Codex, nothing to worry about.

And with a lowly tactical squad slowly creeping up there to match ($43 now, wow...), $50 for a terminator kit doesn't sound quite as bad anymore.

Actually, the new BA-squad is a euro cheaper than the general one.

What? In the US a vanilla tactical squad is $40 and the new BA squad is $43.

That just makes all the sense.

True, strange..
SM squad is 35 euro and the BA are 34, they are indeed more expensive in other countries.

a vanillatactical box is 62 dollars here. terminators are 74

Based on the Space Wolves (and other recent) Codexes, if Decent of Angels has moved into Warlord Traits (much like our old sagas) you will we one or more specific named characters with it as a fixed warlord trait. It will likely only affect the warlord, his unit or 1d3 units.

Several of those warlord traits will be built around making the core elements of Blood Angels more effective, so expect a lot of Deep Strike/Assault related buffs that will make not getting Descent of Angels on the roll not as bad as you may have feared.

You will also see a formation or detachment specific to Blood Angels that will allow a reroll on the table for your HQ plus some sort of cool detachment/formation wide rule that let's you do something very Blood Angel-ly, such as drop striking part of your army on turn one, or reduced scatter army wide.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I don't get GW these days. They could have released a brand new dual-kit of Terminator plastics that made up either Assault or Tactical Terminators, alongside a plastic Terminator Librarian that would no doubt sell well despite the inevitably ridiculous price, and just painted them up all Blood Angel-y to tie them into the release, thereby garnering extra sales from other Marine players and free up store shelf space at the same time.

Instead they release a chapter-specific box(two, including the Tacticals) that are just duplicates of existing models with more specific bling, and coat the Librarian in chapter-specific iconography. It's like they don't actually want to make money.

It's probably their way of distinguishing the two codices out. I know it's kind of hard from a money making kind of view but then again Forge World are already on their way to releasing different Terminator kits for different chapters and they already have a different Terminator box for Grey Knights. The banner with the models is an indication that they are going to be diverting even the Terminators for Blood Angels away from the Codex Space marines ones. Perhaps we might see some new termies when they redo C:SM.

They do seem to be cementing in the term Archangels for the 1st Company, akin to the Dark Angel's Deathwing. Perhaps they will get some extra rules?

 troa wrote:
As for those who wish to whine ALREADY without the codex even being out, please go elsewhere. You make the internet a crappy place with your overt and unwarranted negativity.

You realize the hypocrisy in whining about whining, I hope.

Anyway, I don't see the point in trying to sugar-coat it. If DoA is a warlord trait, then that sucks. End of. And it's also very likely, considering the trend.

They'll probably get a formation that does something similarly though.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 troa wrote:
As for those who wish to whine ALREADY without the codex even being out, please go elsewhere. You make the internet a crappy place with your overt and unwarranted negativity.

You realize the hypocrisy in whining about whining, I hope.

Anyway, I don't see the point in trying to sugar-coat it. If DoA is a warlord trait, then that sucks. End of. And it's also very likely, considering the trend.

They'll probably get a formation that does something similarly though.

Thats the general consensus. It does suck though. A lot.

But it cant all be sunshine and rainbows. The other major rumors so far (points adjustments for death co and sanguinary guard, army wide furious charge) have all been awesome changes. There are always new codex changes that most people wont like.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Sanguinary priests in HQ? That doesnt bode well.

You know that with a model release at £18 a pop they will make them awesome rules wise so they can sell some kits.

That staggers me, £18 for a single 28mm plastic figure. That's absurdity, do people pay this? There are Forgeworld resins that are less that that and their quality is far ahead. Clearly I'm out of touch with GW pricing, I usually just look at the pictures now, and the Blood Angels do look good. I consider Knight Models pricy asking £13 for individual Batman figures but at least they're a small company covering what is likely an expensive licence. £18 for a plastic stuns me.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Like I said before, be careful what you wish for. Everyone wanted a new BA codex sooo bad, you ignored the warnings and didn't pay attention when all the other 7th edition codices dropped ("You're just being negative!"), or you naively thought you would be getting better treatment despite two other Marine armies not being so lucky ("Negative!")...and now it's starting to look like the new codex might not actually be an improvement over the old like you previously believed?

...yeah, totally didn't see that one coming. There was absolutely no precedent for this. Completely...unexpected...

Personally, though, I'm still holding out a slight sliver of hope that this book ends up being OP as feth, just so it takes some more of the heat off of Tau and everyone has a new army to whine about. Bonus points if it ends up driving BA players out of the game because either there's no challenge anymore and the game is completely unfulfilling, or better yet, the community forces them to "retire" their armies because it's just so unfair to play against them, and all their beautiful nipple-y models sit on the shelf gathering dust again or get sold on eBay for a pittance. But I find it unlikely.

Yes, I'm a vindictive son of a bitch, bite me.

I've been playing since 3rd edition so I remember the times when we didn't have descent of angels. If the whole army is going back to having furious charge then that's what we had back in 3rd edition. I still think we will end with a better codex than what we had before. I just think there is a bit too much negativity about us "losing things" when in reality what we gain will give us the much updated boost we needed. It's always swings and roundabouts whenever a new codex gets released anyway from my personal experience, but I had to give you the thumbs up because I echo you sentiment about the warnings that of course our new codex is going to come with some major changes. It always has.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 troa wrote:
As for those who wish to whine ALREADY without the codex even being out, please go elsewhere. You make the internet a crappy place with your overt and unwarranted negativity.

You realize the hypocrisy in whining about whining, I hope.

Anyway, I don't see the point in trying to sugar-coat it. If DoA is a warlord trait, then that sucks. End of. And it's also very likely, considering the trend.

They'll probably get a formation that does something similarly though.

Thats the general consensus. It does suck though. A lot.

But it cant all be sunshine and rainbows. The other major rumors so far (points adjustments for death co and sanguinary guard, army wide furious charge) have all been awesome changes. There are always new codex changes that most people wont like.

For sure, a mixed bag of changes thus far. I don't think the codex is doomed from what we've seen- but then I also haven't seen anyone seriously make that claim either.

I am concerned though, won't lie. Things like army-wide furious charge and minor points drop are nice, but they don't address the BA's core issue. We've never had an issue with killing things once we reach them, it's actually getting to them in one piece that prevents us from being competitive. We've almost assuredly lost our ability to assault after deep-striking, and now it's likely that DoA is a warlord trait, further destabilizing our DS capabilities.

Fingers crossed that GW will give us a safe delivery method.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 troa wrote:
As for those who wish to whine ALREADY without the codex even being out, please go elsewhere. You make the internet a crappy place with your overt and unwarranted negativity.

You realize the hypocrisy in whining about whining, I hope.

Anyway, I don't see the point in trying to sugar-coat it. If DoA is a warlord trait, then that sucks. End of. And it's also very likely, considering the trend.

They'll probably get a formation that does something similarly though.

This only means something if you think that whining is something you shouldn't do under any circumstance. I think he was pointing out the circumstances in which they were whining. i.e. whining about the codex when we don't even have it yet. I am thinking he is ok with whining about people who are whining about something when they have a lack of information.


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 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Sanguinary priests in HQ? That doesnt bode well.

You know that with a model release at £18 a pop they will make them awesome rules wise so they can sell some kits.

That staggers me, £18 for a single 28mm plastic figure. That's absurdity, do people pay this? There are Forgeworld resins that are less that that and their quality is far ahead. Clearly I'm out of touch with GW pricing, I usually just look at the pictures now, and the Blood Angels do look good. I consider Knight Models pricy asking £13 for individual Batman figures but at least they're a small company covering what is likely an expensive licence. £18 for a plastic stuns me.

I suppose it is a lot but nobody ever said that this hobby would be cheap.

I might buy or two cause I do like the look of the model itself. As I said before though I'm not a big fan in the colours they painted him up in.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 troa wrote:
As for those who wish to whine ALREADY without the codex even being out, please go elsewhere. You make the internet a crappy place with your overt and unwarranted negativity.

You realize the hypocrisy in whining about whining, I hope.

Anyway, I don't see the point in trying to sugar-coat it. If DoA is a warlord trait, then that sucks. End of. And it's also very likely, considering the trend.

They'll probably get a formation that does something similarly though.

This only means something if you think that whining is something you shouldn't do under any circumstance. I think he was pointing out the circumstances in which they were whining. i.e. whining about the codex when we don't even have it yet. I am thinking he is ok with whining about people who are whining about something when they have a lack of information.

No doubt he thinks that his whining is somehow justified while other peoples' aren't.

He's just wrong. If people are allowed to post their jubilation at every posted change, whether it's confirmed or not, then people are also allowed to post their concerns at every posted change, whether they're confirmed or not. That's the difference between a public discussion and a echo chamber.

Honestly, I'm fine with losing DOA for always-on Furious Charge, and I wouldn't rule out our new Detachment having some DS buffs anyway.

At this point, I just hope we keep the flying Land Raider DS.

Zoomed in on the big picture.

Mephiston in the battle scene has definitely had a new more extreme paint job, and possibly a slight conversion.

Also, the death company model with the jump pack far left at the front seems to have a bit of a weird paint scheme but it may be the lighting.

To be honest, I'd field that plastic SP as Corbulo over Corbulo's current model any day. Not a great deal of difference between em.

Loving those BA tactical squads, but I'd not have all my squad leaders with mop tops.

Bit lazy of GW to copy paste Calistarius/Mephiston's model from SH and basically just re-pose him

 angelofvengeance wrote:
To be honest, I'd field that plastic SP as Corbulo over Corbulo's current model any day. Not a great deal of difference between em.

Loving those BA tactical squads, but I'd not have all my squad leaders with mop tops.

Bit lazy of GW to copy paste Calistarius/Mephiston's model from SH and basically just re-pose him

It's not just Calistarius, there are QUITE a few that are space hulk reposes.

Claudio (lightening claws?) is the blatant base for the sergeant of the lightening claws termies.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
To be honest, I'd field that plastic SP as Corbulo over Corbulo's current model any day. Not a great deal of difference between em.

Loving those BA tactical squads, but I'd not have all my squad leaders with mop tops.

Bit lazy of GW to copy paste Calistarius/Mephiston's model from SH and basically just re-pose him

Its more than that. Its also a copy and paste of the old metal TDA libby, just turned to the right imstead of left (the Librarian's right and left). The old Librarian had a open hand a Heresy Style Combi-Weapon (side by side rather than under/over like the Tacticals), although it was a plasma rather than melta. It is actually a very clever model because they just rehashed the old model, which is safe business as they know the old one sold well, and to make it BA, added some Space Hulk flavour, because they know SH sold incredibly well. They are playing it safe with Deathstorm and the BA release me thinks.

 Redemption wrote:
They do seem to be cementing in the term Archangels for the 1st Company, akin to the Dark Angel's Deathwing. Perhaps they will get some extra rules?

Think Champions of Frnris for what you'll probably get.

Alternate relics, alternate warlord traits, special rules for formation and/or detachment.