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So my friends and I are having a big Apoc battle soon, and its two ork and a chaos army against black templars and crimson fists - 8000 points.

The Templar player has been boasting that he has Three Landraider Crusaders ready for this game, us orks have no anti-tank stuff capable of opening up three of those tin cans, so what are we going to do?

We have lots of troops and I have a few bikes and loadsa trukk boyz, but three land raiders is a bit too much to deal with!

Considering he'll probably have the landraiders full of troops/terminators and probably Helbrecht in there too the three tanks and men inside would be worth almost 1,500 points. Thats too big a prize to ignore!

Helpful advice please!

Bring in some Imperial guard & field some Medusa & Manticore squadrens.

Barring that, suicidal Melta. 3 BS4 melta-shots that are within 1/2 range will kill a land-raider.

Stompa? Squiggoth? Fighta-Bomma?

LRC's aren't as deadly as their payload.

I've not played Apoc yet, but this springs to mind:

Use every Warboss you have (plus Thraka), each with a Power Claw, each one leading a Da Green Tide apoc formation (datasheet downloadable from the GW site).

I played against a landraider redeemer today...and first cc round I immobilised it - thats all

next round I got weapon destroyed - then it disgorged the 5 assault terminators and they sliced my boss up!

albeit, that was with one warboss with PK and attack squig backed up by 11 trukk boyz who couldn't dent it. But if thats what happens with a bit of bad luck when a boss with klaw charges a landraider, then I need a better plan!!

A Necron buddy with a Pylon goes a long way.

He's bragging because he has 3 LRCs at 8000pts? My BTs had 4 at 1750. The list was absolute garbage, but 4 LRCs was fun

Like the slice of toast says LRCs are nowhere near as nasty as whatever they're carrying; BT ones especially, because while their Fail-PotMS makes their firepower all-but useless on the move it also makes it hard to prevent them moving without Penetrating hits, so the likelihood is they're going to get where they want to be and dump whatever Sword Brethren, Getrude-following Chaplain, Preferred Enemy filth they've got onto your head. If you don't think you've got enough AT to kill them then don't bother; let them do what they do and handle whatever they disgorge. Frankly I'm not sure how you could fail to have enough AT to take out 3 LRCs at 8000pts, but yeah.

In Apoc games you should be fielding super heavies. See who's laughing then...

Lash and a vindicator are pretty big deterrents against unloading to assault.

You can swarm a lone raider with 3 squads, it can only deal with 2 squads at a time. The LRC shoots one and the infantry attacks the other. The third squad will get through.

Remember Black Templar smoke launchers still downgrade penetrating hits to glancing making it impossible to kill it without AP1, still it's unlikely with Meltas. Threaten it to make him pop smoke early.

I the OP is looking for methods to use with his orks sans FW super heavies. If so I think your best bet is a huge wall of orky dreads with a mekkboy carrying a KFF.

G

I concur with using Dreads versus Land Raiders. I'm a Tri-Raider player, and Dread's are my bane. Those Hurricane bolter will do nothing to Dreads, and if he moves at cruising to reduce close combat attacks he will only get to fire either the multi-melta or the AC's, not both.

As to the contents spilling out, unless he has a few power fists/thunder hammers, who cares what pops out.

SJ

jeffersonian000 wrote:I concur with using Dreads versus Land Raiders. I'm a Tri-Raider player, and Dread's are my bane. Those Hurricane bolter will do nothing to Dreads, and if he moves at cruising to reduce close combat attacks he will only get to fire either the multi-melta or the AC's, not both.

As to the contents spilling out, unless he has a few power fists/thunder hammers, who cares what pops out.

SJ

heh, my space wolf raiderspam list involes 4 or 5 powerfists/thunderhammers popping out of each of my 4 land raiders. lol

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180073_Ork_Datasheet_-_Shokk_Attack_Battery.pdf
SHOKK ATTACK BATTERY POINTS: 75 + MODELS

FORMATION:
3+ Big Meks with shokk attack guns.
1+ Snotling Herd.
One Big Mek must be designated as a Boss Mek (his profile is
unchanged).

Firing a Shokk Attack Battery: Instead of firing separately a Shokk Attack Battery may fire using the Apocalyptic Barrage
template, with a number of dice equal to the number of shokk attack guns in the battery. Roll 2D6 to determine the Strength of
the whole battery. If a double (or an 11) is rolled consult the chart on page 35 of Codex: Orks and immediately apply that result to
all shokk attack guns in the battery.
We Needs More Zoggin’ Snotlings!: If both a Runtherd and a Snotling Swarm are within 6” of a shokk attack gun you may
sacrifice D3 Snotling bases and roll three dice instead of two when determining the Strength of the Shokk Attack Battery, discarding
the lowest dice roll. If a triple is rolled, the combined warp-beams manage to rip a gaping hole in the fabric of reality. Resolve the
attack exactly as if a Vortex Grenade had landed on the central hole of the Apocalyptic Barrage template. In the unfortunate result
of a triple 1 something goes disastrously wrong as warp containment fields overload and collapse. No shot is fired. Remove all Big
Meks in the Shokk Attack Battery and resolve the shot as if a Vortex Grenade has landed where the Boss Mek was standing.

I think this would work nicely against LR. rolling a triple (5/216) and dropping a vortex grenade is funny as hell (ok bad if you roll a triple 1)

Ditto the Shokk Attack Gun Battery.

Otherwise, Tankbustas in Battlewagons with Deff Rollas.

Demogerg wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:I concur with using Dreads versus Land Raiders. I'm a Tri-Raider player, and Dread's are my bane. Those Hurricane bolter will do nothing to Dreads, and if he moves at cruising to reduce close combat attacks he will only get to fire either the multi-melta or the AC's, not both.

As to the contents spilling out, unless he has a few power fists/thunder hammers, who cares what pops out.

SJ

heh, my space wolf raiderspam list involes 4 or 5 powerfists/thunderhammers popping out of each of my 4 land raiders. lol

The OP mentioned that his opponent will be Black Templers, which tend to be Lightning Claw heavy to benefit from all of the re-rolls they can achieve in CC. A smart BT player will have more than one Power Fist/Thunder Hammer in any given unit of Sword Brethren/Crusader squad.

SJ

Thanks for all your advice guys. I don't have any ork super heavies, and I don't have any dreads either!! But maybe I need to get some.

armour 14 is meant to be a pain, I'm just really tempted to find a way to pop those can's open and obliterate their contents. but it'll be a hard fought battle.

what units is the chaos guy using?

To deal with Land raiders, you need ghazghkull....on the Waaaugh! he gets a 2+ invulnerable save that laughs off whatever gets out of the land raiders.

Burna boyz with their power weapons are great ways to deal with thunderhammer terminators. Ghazghkull is a great way to deal with lightning klaw terminators. Heck, take killa-kans. AV11 on the front means they can tie up lightning claw termies all day long and kill a couple at a time with their STR10 CC weapon. If you get tied up with a thunderhammer in the mix, and it destroys a killa-kan....oh well. They killed 35 points (+ weapon) for you having just killed...a lot more than 35 points worth of terminators.

Tank hammers and bomb squigs.

Tank hammers can do the trick, but bomb squigs are STR8 just like any other rokkit.

s.j.mccartney wrote:So my friends and I are having a big Apoc battle soon, and its two ork and a chaos army against black templars and crimson fists - 8000 points.

The Templar player has been boasting that he has Three Landraider Crusaders ready for this game, us orks have no anti-tank stuff capable of opening up three of those tin cans, so what are we going to do?

We have lots of troops and I have a few bikes and loadsa trukk boyz, but three land raiders is a bit too much to deal with!

Considering he'll probably have the landraiders full of troops/terminators and probably Helbrecht in there too the three tanks and men inside would be worth almost 1,500 points. Thats too big a prize to ignore!

Helpful advice please!

You could always use a baseball bat/sledgehammer.

Vaako cracked what the secret plan might be. The chaos dude is hoping to use abaddon with some chaos terminators. a chainfist would really help against the landraiders! I'd love if they deepstriked right on top of their formation, but we'll have to see.

Both KillaKans or Dreadnoughts would be great, but I don't own any! same with tankbustas. I have a great speedfreaks army, just not great at taking out landraiders!!!

Loot a shadowsword, fun to build devistating angainst well, everything, and fun to turn on its creators. Can be a bit pricy tho

s.j.mccartney wrote:Vaako cracked what the secret plan might be. The chaos dude is hoping to use abaddon with some chaos terminators. a chainfist would really help against the landraiders! I'd love if they deepstriked right on top of their formation, but we'll have to see.

Both KillaKans or Dreadnoughts would be great, but I don't own any! same with tankbustas. I have a great speedfreaks army, just not great at taking out landraiders!!!

Chaos Terminators with combi meltas and chain fists will massacre the tanks, but may get nucked by whatever pops out...

I would leave the land raiders, just have huuuuge mobs of boys to soak up the unloaded marines, then lay into everything with bosses and nobs. Any chance you have nob bikers in that speedfreak army?

Klaw Stompas. Lots of them. Take three, put five big meks inside (one with KFF) and go nuts.

Move 12"
Charge 12"
7 D attacks in close combat
Throw charred wreckage away
Repeat
Simples.

It may only have front armour 13, but you have four structure points, a permanent 4+ cover save, and five meks to fix any damage from the inside.

GCMandrake wrote:Klaw Stompas. Lots of them. Take three, put five big meks inside (one with KFF) and go nuts.

Move 12"
Charge 12"
7 D attacks in close combat
Throw charred wreckage away
Repeat
Simples.

It may only have front armour 13, but you have four structure points, a permanent 4+ cover save, and five meks to fix any damage from the inside.

Most Apocalypse players don't allow mek or techpriests (or Miscellaneous other) to repair super heavys since it can be massively unbalancing YMMV

I've played this combo amongst our local group plenty of times, and no one seems to have a problem with it (beyond annoyance). Then again, having played 30-40 large apoc games over our time, we've become... bloodthirsty and cruel individuals. For reference, the last time it was used, my Klaw Stompa advanced all of 3" all game despite having 4 big meks inside, because everyone knows all the tricks in the book to stop them by now. Yes, YMMV, but Klaw Stompas remain nasty - Meks or no Meks - unless the opponent is fielding a bunch of Shadowswords or lascannons.

Then again, we are a group where using an Enginseer to mend the Pulsars on an Eldar Scorpion is seen as a move that isn't just legal, but laudable.

Ally Tau Hammerheads Railguns FTW

Chosen squad with melta guns
Havoc squad with melta guns
Rhino's with combi melta guns
Kharn
Oblits with mm's

There are lots of ways for chaos to do it.

Abbadon is only str 8, he won't have too much luck vs a lrc.

orks have plenty of stuff to take on lr's. just use kans dreads and assualting pk's. thats too much for a lr to handle.