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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 13:55:30
Subject: The nukeometer..
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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the nukeometer
hmm.. so I can be killed by 7728 warheads,
By country
2347 from USA
4568 from Russia
192 from UK
121 from China
300 from France
200 from Israel
By delivery
2690 from long range ICBMs
240 from short range missiles
2027 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
.... I can't work out if it's good or bad that I could be hit by more nukes from France or Israel than by my own country.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 13:58:30
Subject: Re:The nukeometer..
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Don't forget backpack nukes
Don't forget nukes smuggled in a shipping container and set off in London harbor.
Now have a good night's sleep...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 14:02:18
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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I got...
2892 Nuclear warheads
By country:
500 from the USA
2079 from Russia
192 from the UK
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121 from China
By delivery
121 from long range ICBMs
0 from both sgort rabge missles and bomber aircraft
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2771 from nuclear submarines
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"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."-Groucho Marx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 14:08:24
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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There's always the chance that the radiation will give you metahuman abilities. Saw that in a comic book once...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 14:11:54
Subject: The nukeometer..
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Barpharanges
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6404 nuclear warheads
Are within range of
New York City, United States
By country
2347 from USA
3684 from Russia
192 from UK
121 from China
60 from France
By delivery
2490 from long range ICBMs
0 from short range missiles
1143 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
I'm kind of surprised that it's less than London, but, it sort of makes sense, I suppose.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 14:14:00
Subject: Re:The nukeometer..
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Frazzled wrote:Don't forget backpack nukes
I believe the plan is to abolish all backpacks/rucksacks and similar. Instead you'll be forced to hire human "sherpas" who will carry your goods for you. This helps both the environment and the unemployment figures.
There's always the chance that the radiation will give you metahuman abilities.
With my luck I'd be the Incredible Tumour.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 14:15:39
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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reds8n wrote:.... I can't work out if it's good or bad that I could be hit by more nukes from France
Ah well, at least you know that if the French did attack the world, even if they wiped out everyone in the first salvo, they would still lose...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 14:36:46
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Nasty Nob
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Apparently I'm either completely Nuke safe, or there are so many that I broke the calculator.
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"Just pull it out and play with it" -Big Nasty B @ Life After the Cover Save
40k: Orks
Fantasy: Empire, Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, and Ogre Kingdoms |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 15:55:13
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Dogged Kum
Houston Texas
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Well... since Frazzled didn't do it for our area...
By country
4130 from USA
3684 from Russia
192 from UK
121 from China
By delivery
2490 from long range ICBMs
1783 from short range missiles
1083 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 16:27:35
Subject: The nukeometer..
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I didn't do it fallen668 because, being in Houston, no one would notice. It'd only be about two degrees hotter than last week...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 16:51:55
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Stabbin' Skarboy
Galactics Comics and Games, Georgia, USA
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I got
By country
2347 from USA
3684 from Russia
192 from UK
121 from China
60 from France
By delivery
2490 from long range ICBMs
0 from short range missiles
1143 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
So maybe I'd have a warning?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 16:57:34
Subject: The nukeometer..
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Killer Klaivex
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This calculator is complete fiction. Israel has never even confirmed that they had nukes, yet the guy who made this not only knows how many they have, but their exact locations and range? I think not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 17:18:49
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I agree, I rolled it and it says I have 200 within range from frigging France......
Yeah......
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 20:08:02
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Ketara wrote:This calculator is complete fiction. Israel has never even confirmed that they had nukes, yet the guy who made this not only knows how many they have, but their exact locations and range? I think not.
Well, estimates place their supposed stockpile at anywhere from 200-400 warheads. We know they don't have ICBMs, so that limits the potential delivery method to cruise missiles (which they have very few of) and attack aircraft (as they don't have strategic bombers). Coincidentally both of these strike packages have about the same overall range, so it isn't really that big a shot in the dark.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 20:59:29
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Killer Klaivex
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And this person also has detailed knowledge of russian launch sites? I don't know whether the American government publishes the exact patrol paths of their nuclear subs, but I'm pretty sure the MoD over here doesn't, which means that their knowledge of Trident's location and range is bull.
At best, the entire thing is little more than guesswork. At worst, the entire thing is complete fiction. So yeah, I'd say that's a pretty big shot in the dark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 21:03:00
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
Toronto (GTA), Ontario
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2347 from USA
3684 from Russia
192 from UK
121 from China
60 from France
By delivery
2490 from long range ICBMs
0 from short range missiles
1143 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
6404 in total XP
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Dracos wrote:Codex does not override rulebook. Specific rules (generally those found in codex tend to be more specific) override general rules in case of conflict.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 21:03:07
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Can you figure out the 'safest' or 'least nukes in range' site? I'm guessing Antarctica.
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In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 21:06:01
Subject: Re:The nukeometer..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Shenanigans..I say.
I tried it for my area, and also for several areas. The results were just too different to be real.
GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 21:19:34
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Type in something like Columbus or Springfield, USA. According to mapquest.com, there are at least 10 Columbuses in the US (from Montana to Georgia) and at least 10 Springfields (from Washington state to Florida).
I agree with gg - Shenangians! Shenanigans, I say!
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In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 21:31:48
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Ketara wrote:And this person also has detailed knowledge of russian launch sites?
Dude, this isn't difficult information to acquire. We live in the age civilian orbital photography. Have a look at some of this, or this.
Ketara wrote:
I don't know whether the American government publishes the exact patrol paths of their nuclear subs, but I'm pretty sure the MoD over here doesn't, which means that their knowledge of Trident's location and range is bull.
You don't need to know the precise location. The Trident II missile has a range of 11,300 km. The Earth has a circumference of about 40,000 km. Once that's out of the way all you have to do is narrow down the field of potential patrols to those regions which place the submarine in range of likely targets; meaning China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. This limits potential site variance to the Indian Ocean, and the Northern Pacific.
Ketara wrote:
At best, the entire thing is little more than guesswork. At worst, the entire thing is complete fiction. So yeah, I'd say that's a pretty big shot in the dark.
Of course there's an element of guesswork involved. Why would you expect otherwise?
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 22:47:06
Subject: The nukeometer..
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Killer Klaivex
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dogma wrote:Ketara wrote:This calculator is complete fiction. Israel has never even confirmed that they had nukes, yet the guy who made this not only knows how many they have, but their exact locations and range? I think not.
Well, estimates place their supposed stockpile at anywhere from 200-400 warheads. We know they don't have ICBMs, so that limits the potential delivery method to cruise missiles (which they have very few of) and attack aircraft (as they don't have strategic bombers). Coincidentally both of these strike packages have about the same overall range, so it isn't really that big a shot in the dark.
You say that there's an 'element' of guesswork involved. As I said, the Israeli forces have never even admitted to having any nukes, yet this thing supposedly contains the ranges of all the ones they have. You can spot all the possible silos on Google Earth that you like, and analyse as many fictitous patrol paths as you like, but the end result is the same, you guessing. It is a complete shot in the dark. There's no 'element of guesswork' the entire THING is guesswork. Pure and simple. When all your initial facts are based on fabrications, guessing, and what you think, 'might be the case', it is impossible to establish kind of accurate range generator.
To be succinct, it is all made up. It's nice to play with, but this generator has no real accuracy, established fact, or frame of reference. It is, in other words, absolute rubbish.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 23:17:49
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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I'm not scared of nukes.
Is there one for bees?
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 23:28:30
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Ketara wrote:
You say that there's an 'element' of guesswork involved. As I said, the Israeli forces have never even admitted to having any nukes, yet this thing supposedly contains the ranges of all the ones they have.
Nuclear warheads don't possess an intrinsic range; delivery platforms do. In the case of Israel this means strike aircraft (F-15E and F-16C/D), and cruise missiles. Both of these engagement methods have discreet range characteristics that are easily referenced. From there you can simply assume the minimum speculative number of Israeli nukes (which have been developed by a number of extremely reputable sources), and attach them to the delivery vehicle with the longest possible range (in this case ship-launched cruise missiles), and you have your estimate.
Ketara wrote:
You can spot all the possible silos on Google Earth that you like, and analyse as many fictitous patrol paths as you like, but the end result is the same, you guessing.
Yeah, that's right. But what you're forgetting is that even professional military analysis involves a great deal of guess work. The trick is to begin with as much confirmed data as possible, and then extrapolate from that. Its the same process physicists utilize to develop theoretical prediction, only a good deal less exact.
Ketara wrote:
It is a complete shot in the dark. There's no 'element of guesswork' the entire THING is guesswork. Pure and simple. When all your initial facts are based on fabrications, guessing, and what you think, 'might be the case', it is impossible to establish kind of accurate range generator.
Yeah, if that were the case you would be correct, but it isn't. The range of almost every nuclear delivery platform in the world can be easily researched using the internet and military reference manuals. Stationary missile bases are, for the most part, known installations. The patrol routes are guesses, but they are educated guesses based on deployed weapon ranges relative to the overall size of the planet. That's more than enough information to develop a utility of reasonable accuracy; especially given that the difference between 2,000 nukes and 3,000 nukes is functionally irrelevant.
Ketara wrote:
To be succinct, it is all made up. It's nice to play with, but this generator has no real accuracy, established fact, or frame of reference. It is, in other words, absolute rubbish.
You have a really funny definition of 'all made up', because its pretty clearly based on at least some information pertaining to effective range and national stockpiles. Is it rubbish in the context of determining strategic policy vis a vis the overall strike package of a given nation with respect to a chosen location? Yes, no military planning commission in their right mind would use this 'tool'. Is it so far off the mark that you can simply say 'this is all fiction'? No, it isn't. Its speculative, but speculation isn't the same as simply making something up.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/21 23:29:29
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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gorgon wrote:There's always the chance that the radiation will give you metahuman abilities. Saw that in a comic book once...
Or... shrink your penis.
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-to many points to bother to count.
mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/22 00:48:58
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
SE Michigan
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garret wrote:gorgon wrote:There's always the chance that the radiation will give you metahuman abilities. Saw that in a comic book once...
Or... shrink your penis.
No wonder there are very few superhumans with children
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/22 01:12:52
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Killer Klaivex
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Calculator didn't load. I think I broke it.
Maybe living in Tasmania has its benefits.
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/22 13:31:12
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Sword-Wielding Bloodletter of Khorne
Burnaby, British Columbia
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9071 nuclear warheads Are within range of Winnipeg, Canada
By country
4130 from USA
4568 from Russia
192 from UK
121 from China
60 from France
By delivery
2490 from long range ICBMs
1783 from short range missiles
2027 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
... Sucks to be winnipeg. Also, this one appears to be winning in the nuclear target charts.
Glad I live in vancouver with a mere 7228 warheads in range... OH SHI--
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/22 14:25:15
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Blackclad Wayfarer
From England. Living in Shanghai
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6277 nuclear warheads are within range of Shanghai, China
By country
1264 from USA
4568 from Russia
192 from UK
176 from China
75 from India
2 from North Korea
By delivery
2567 from long range ICBMs
0 from short range missiles
939 from bomber aircraft
2771 from nuclear submarines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/22 14:28:46
Subject: The nukeometer..
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Wing Commander
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Seeing as apparently El Paso, Texas, London, England, and Kandahar, Afghanistan will be hit by EXACTLY the same number of sub-based ICBMs- yeah, I'm going to call BS on the calculator. Oh look, Groton, CT and Kings Bay, GA, get hit by the same number as Hobart, Tasmania. Riiiiight.
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army  so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
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